Immigration and Asylum (11 Viewers)
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What should he be doing instead pete?
Credibility could be in tatters if he did?
rob9872
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At what point would it be right? A close ally of ours who last had a state visit from the Queen 35 years ago and this is to mark their 250 years of independence. With tensions appearing to increase between Trump and Starmer, and with the current situation that he's created in the Middle East then it might hopefully help temper things a little.
Grendel
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I find it a bit odd he’s going anyway to celebrate the day they kicked us out
Oh didn't even make the connection or significance of it,doubly damned, only joshing but this is turning out to be Munich 36moment nearly too late alter the script and endorsed by HMTK.
Sky Blue Pete
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I’ve seen Hamilton the king does say he’ll be back
Marty
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The people behind this shit need locking up
Bogus websites, staged protests and pretend atheists: Inside the fake asylum industry
In the second part of an undercover investigation, the BBC exposes elaborate deceptions being used to bolster fake asylum claims.www.bbc.co.uk
Legal advisers help migrants pose as gay to get asylum, undercover BBC investigation finds
The BBC exposes a shadow industry charging migrants thousands of pounds to help them cheat the asylum system.
Lock em up and boot em out.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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The people behind this shit need locking up
Bogus websites, staged protests and pretend atheists: Inside the fake asylum industry
In the second part of an undercover investigation, the BBC exposes elaborate deceptions being used to bolster fake asylum claims.Legal advisers help migrants pose as gay to get asylum, undercover BBC investigation finds
The BBC exposes a shadow industry charging migrants thousands of pounds to help them cheat the asylum system.
"There is no check-up to find out if the person is a gay," Tanisa told our undercover reporter.
What on earth have they got in mind for these check-ups?
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
Well-Known Member
Fool them into thinking it's a prostate exam then record how much they seem to enjoy it?
rob9872
Well-Known Member
Riot police in Epsom for people demanding answers as to who gang raped a woman outside a church. They all know the answer of course with a place holding illegal immigrants just down the road, but the police trying to not give any information has only escalated things. It was obvious this kind of thing would happen as soon as they started describing some criminals as 'White British' which by default when they then choose not to, people naturally assume they're not. It should be blanket all descriptions or none, really not that difficult.
Sky Blue Pete
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We sure
SBAndy
Well-Known Member
Not seen any coverage but absolutely agree with the final bit - they’ve made a rod for their own back, it seems.
Nick
Administrator
Yeah I'm not sure why they aren't consistent. When something happened at the mosque in Manchester it was "white man" within minutes of it happening.
Why don't they fix the root issue rather than trying to cover it up to prevent riots? There's only so long they can play the "far right" card every time.
Why don't they fix the root issue rather than trying to cover it up to prevent riots? There's only so long they can play the "far right" card every time.
chiefdave
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There are guidelines that should be followed which include releasing the ethnicity and nationality of suspects. Was changed in August 2025 so anything prior to that it shouldn't have been released as a matter of course.
Interim guidance relating to disclosure of ethnicity and ...National Police Chiefs' Council (NPCC)https://www.npcc.police.uk › work-of-npcc-committees
In this particular instance the police statement says that nobody has been arrested and they don't have enough information about any suspects to release that sort of information so doesn't sound like they've arrested anyone. If that's not the case then they haven't followed the guidelines which obviously shouldn't happen but would no doubt go unpunished.
Sky Blue Pete
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Not enough bile in there chief
We want a riot
SBAndy
Well-Known Member
In which case, fair enough. As I said, I haven’t seen any coverage. If there’s no arrests and it’s mere suspicion from the public at this stage then nothing to release.
I think it boils down to peoples’ desperation for immediate answers.
rob9872
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That's very disingenuous Pete. With the public outcry if there was no description of who they are searching for or the description wasn't a particular demographic, then they would have come out and said simply to quell those rumours. The silence is deafening.
It also begs the question why this isn't big news and people are unaware or not seen anything about it. We have a forum of experts on Hungarian politics, yet mine was the first post on this and some haven't even seen about the crime - a young girl in England who has been gang raped. And do we really believe that she's not given any description about any of the assailants?
Grendel
Well-Known Member
They do have descriptions of the suspects but say not enough information to release details of them
rob9872
Well-Known Member
On another note, despite only a gathering of locals why was it riot police and not ordinary police who attended? There was no riot or again it would have made the main news headlines. That alone is antagonising, especially when we don't even have the resources to actually police the area to help prevent these kind of attacks in the first place.
Sky Blue Pete
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Really?
The details of why are included above
Why is the silence not the reason given
How helpful would it be to say the description fits everyone in the hotel down the road? What are you suggesting? The police aren’t looking into it or are incompetent?
The offence is horrific full stop it’s no better or worse for it being done by a group of British youths who are white or Asian and black or Chinese.
I don’t understand the argument at all or why it would ever be appropriate to go on the streets and demand to know the background of the people who did it
That’s just me I’ve no problem people feeling they should know to help protect their community
I’m not sure that’s what these men on the street are doing though
Sky Blue Pete
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Be based on intelligence you’d think unless we are doing down the route of the police being incompetent or antagonistic just for the sake of it
Which is a take of course
Sky Blue Pete
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And Rob and you think this is because they are in line with descriptions of people who have recently arrived in the country?
You may be correct of course
The reason then that the police won’t give the details is why?
Nick
Administrator
I think people are hitting the streets because there is a hotel full of blokes up the road who are completely unvetted and things like this keep happening where they are placed.
The disorder in Tamworth was because of the same thing, it made people pissed off in Nuneaton when a girl was kidnapped and raped.
I think people are shit scared to acknowledge there's a problem because they are scared of being labelled a racist, nazi or facist or whatever the word of the day is.
Sky Blue Pete
Well-Known Member
It’s just round and round isn’t it?
Be good when reform are in and no rapes will happen anywhere in the country
Looking forward to it now
Nick
Administrator
So the answer is "well white blokes do rapes as well?" Sorted.
Think that just proves the point. If only people ignored the southport and nottingham killers race cards and did something about them before they killed people. I guess white brits do stabbing too so crack on.
Maybe the security guard at the Manchester Arena who was scared of being labelled a racist had done something different.
Sky Blue Pete
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Tangent score of 10
So met police are institutionally racist as are other organisations and are also woke and not wanting to be racist or is it both
I know I have prejudices and bias I hope I act without fear or favour - can everyone do that? Do you?
rob9872
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Lets break this down for you piece by piece.
The description isnt the part of being helpful, simply that if the description was anything other then it would have been released. Back to my original point, always or not at all.
Police incompetent? Some yes, but that's absolutely not the point. They are being directed to act like this and in this manner. I have no doubt lots of them disagree with how they are told to act, but modern policing doesn't allow for discretion and they will have no choice but to follow orders.
Yes the offence is horrific. I'm not aware of any cases in recent history of gang rapes by black or Chinese people, I may be wrong, but not sure why they are even mentioned. Even Asian is very loose. I've never heard of an Indian group being involved in gang rape. This kind of language is what's more divisive and sets people against eachother based on colour which shouldn't be the issue. These are groups of men who have arrived illegally and being put out on the streets of the UK in groups.
You say you don't understand why they want to know the background. They are local to the incident and of course want to be vigilant. If the migrant hotel down the road is the issue as suspected, then they have every right to be concerned about them. If it wasn't them, then you can be certain they would have put out a statement to that effect.
Hybridtheory
Member
Hold up a full length photo of a naked woman with her baps out…..then do the same with a bloke and see what happens
rob9872
Well-Known Member
Nah, you've got to go bloke first or he might remain hard thinking about the first one.
Sky Blue Pete
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You may be right I don’t think you are
So you think just white people and Muslims have ever committed gang rape and in the uk they are mostly immigrants and Muslim?
Is that the hypothesis?
The vast majority of persons convicted of a sexual offence are white but I can assure you across the piece all male ethnicities have an issue with people who commit sexual offences
Sky Blue Pete
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Also I don’t think there is an offence for gang rape on the statute book
I completely agree with you and Nick that we should treat people based on what they have done and not their ethnicity, skin colour, faith etc and racism and fear of being accused of racism has caused massive issues
rob9872
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This is specifically about gang rape. I don't doubt more sexual offences in number (not %) by white men, since there are more white men.
You've also said that I've suggested only white or Muslim. I've not. I said I wasn't aware of any gang rapes by other demographics, that doesn't mean there aren't any, I also didnt mention white or Muslim, only you have.
This is about a specific case in England, yards from a migrant hotel. It's not a stretch to join the dots, but again, my post is about the police information or lack of it, you are spinning your own narrative around it and assuming interpretations from me that I've not made.
The tired argument of yeah but others commit crime too is not a defence. The fact we have limited resources and lots of our own criminals is not a good reason to import more of them.
Nick
Administrator
I'm also not sure if people purposely act so naive about things. Was it actually news to people that migrants pretend to be gay to be able to stay?
Grendel
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No one is especially bothered about things until they see an impact
As I’ve said before the hotel near me has has asylum residents now for a while and the area has changed. Local shop is under seige, people taking coke in the local pub and general fear and intimidation.
People are ok with it as long as it’s not at their door