Brighton Sky Blue
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Genuinely couldn’t make it up.
Genuinely couldn’t make it up.Doesn't live in the country any more does he. Took what he could get and fucked off.
A lot depends on the media I suspect. They've had an easy ride up to now, Farage allowed to spout off on Question Time on a regular basis but very little scrutiny of any policy matters.I think it depends really.
There's certainly too much in-fighting and I would say most people who would vote for them wouldn't be doing so because they necessarily like them or believe they are going to solve all the problems. It's more of a protest really.
That said, should there be another big event. A terrorist attack or such the like, or an absolute bollock drop from the Labour Party, then we might see Reform scale up again.
I would even if you had kids BSB, much better life for them out there, and before anyone says, why don't you bugger off then, I'm too old and not professionally qualified lolWe won't because we have a young child and will probably have another by then, as I said.
Several friends of ours have successfully emigrated to Australia though, it's something we'd do without children if the country got into a bad enough state. Both well qualified professionals who'd have no problem meeting the points target for entry there.
But, as Farage and UKIP have already shown, a party doesn't have to be in power, or even hold any seats, to change the way the government does its business. UKIP made enough noise for the tories to listen and in fear of losing seats to them, gave us the referendum. And there was far less noise then, than what there is now!I honestly don't think Reform have a cat in hell's chance of getting in.
As they say, a week is a long time in politics, let alone 4 years. These extreme parties always get found out.
I think if there was any danger of Reform getting in, I think Labour, the Lib Dems, Plaid Cymru, the SNP and the Greens, would probably all get together and form some sort of coalition to prevent that from happening.
Farage is all just rhetoric. He's already had to rein back on the two week nonsense. Now saying two weeks after agreement, which could take several months, even years.
Arguably the fractured right side of politics suits Labour to maintain seats on a low share. The concern shoudl be the red wall seats in deprived areas who blame migration for other issues and are more likely to be manipulated.But, as Farage and UKIP have already shown, a party doesn't have to be in power, or even hold any seats, to change the way the government does its business. UKIP made enough noise for the tories to listen and in fear of losing seats to them, gave us the referendum. And there was far less noise then, than what there is now!
They might not get in, but they can certainly be noisy enough to change Tory and/or Labour policies that effect immigration.
They may not get in, but every party from Labour to the Raving loonies, all know immigration is the biggest political discussion at present. And if they dont want to lose seats to Reform, they need to start addressing it
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In some ways that's just levelling the playing field. We've long heard complaints / theories that the fractured left side of politics led to repeated Conservative election winsArguably the fractured right side of politics suits Labour to maintain seats on a low share.
I left over 6 years ago and there’s no chance I’d move back now.I would even if you had kids BSB, much better life for them out there, and before anyone says, why don't you bugger off then, I'm too old and not professionally qualified lol
We wouldn't let you back boyI left over 6 years ago and there’s no chance I’d move back now.
Got to be better than Reform though surely.God help us all if that happens.
Most reform voters think he will tax the rich more and bring fairness and integrity back into politics it’s fuckin bizarreGot to be better than Reform though surely.
I think they would be an utter disaster.
Everyone else has cocked up, but they would do this country so much damage. I think "snake oil salesman" is a very apt tag for Farage.
I genuinely think if he got into power he would resign and hand over leadership.Got to be better than Reform though surely.
I think they would be an utter disaster.
Everyone else has cocked up, but they would do this country so much damage. I think "snake oil salesman" is a very apt tag for Farage.
Got to be better than Reform though surely.
I think they would be an utter disaster.
Everyone else has cocked up, but they would do this country so much damage. I think "snake oil salesman" is a very apt tag for Farage.
It's that simple and yet most people on here still don't see it.Most normal people are happy with a sensible level of immigration of vetted people who embrace and can help improve the country. Unfortunately what they have had is a shitshow from Tories and Labour with liberals in the background calling anyone who raised a genuine concern in the past racist.
Unsurprisingly that combo has led the rise of reform and scumbags like Tommy Robinson gathering more and more support. Not something I’d ever expect or want to see in this county even if it’s been happening across the continent
I would still argue that any problems with immigration are a symptom of rather than the cause of the country’s problems. If people’s lives were generally better, if whole regions of the country hadn’t been left to fester for decades and so on, the appetite for blaming it all on Johnny Foreigner wouldn’t be there.Most normal people are happy with a sensible level of immigration of vetted people who embrace and can help improve the country. Unfortunately what they have had is a shitshow from Tories and Labour with liberals in the background calling anyone who raised a genuine concern in the past racist.
Unsurprisingly that combo has led the rise of reform and scumbags like Tommy Robinson gathering more and more support. Not something I’d ever expect or want to see in this county even if it’s been happening across the continent
I would still argue that any problems with immigration are a symptom of rather than the cause of the country’s problems. If people’s lives were generally better, if whole regions of the country hadn’t been left to fester for decades and so on, the appetite for blaming it all on Johnny Foreigner wouldn’t be there.
I just think it’s also worth looking at the breakdown and where most immigration is going into. Students comprise a very big chunk of net migration, those coming for low paid work because conditions don’t attract British workers another, those filling skilled jobs yet another.Yeah, don’t disagree with that. It also brings a lot of benefits when done in the right way. I still think the levels we have seen would have caused issues though. Many still haven’t accepted that if you have even net 300-400k per annum, year on year (let alone more which is what we’ve been seeing), it doesn’t impact public services/infrastructure. Just think of the infrastructure, doctors surgeries, hospital, schools etc a city like cov has for a population of 350k, how is it possible to deliver that annually ?! I’ll give everyone a clue, in the modern U.K,,it’s not.
Anyway, people will believe what they want. We’ve all done this discussion to death and I promised myself not to get bogged down in it again. It just infuriates me that we ended up giving such a huge platform to people like Tommy Robinson. That’s not what this country is all about
It's that simple and yet most people on here still don't see it.
If people’s lives were generally better, if whole regions of the country hadn’t been left to fester for decades and so on, the appetite for blaming it all on Johnny Foreigner wouldn’t be there.
Apart from claims that they will stop immigration, what other policies of RF are you willing to try?And if that's the case, he'll soon lose the faith put in him by the voters, and he, like Labour this time round, will quickly lose their seats.
From where im sat, im willing to give them a try, rather than just sit on an Internet football forum and claim "they'll make the country worse" as if ive got some all seeing powers and can read the future
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Agenda funded grifters like the chav Tommy ten names or Farage are not the answer they re just opportunists.Yeah, don’t disagree with that. It also brings a lot of benefits when done in the right way. I still think the levels we have seen would have caused issues though. Many still haven’t accepted that if you have even net 300-400k per annum, year on year (let alone more which is what we’ve been seeing), it doesn’t impact public services/infrastructure. Just think of the infrastructure, doctors surgeries, hospital, schools etc a city like cov has for a population of 350k, how is it possible to deliver that annually ?! I’ll give everyone a clue, in the modern U.K,,it’s not.
Anyway, people will believe what they want. We’ve all done this discussion to death and I promised myself not to get bogged down in it again. It just infuriates me that we ended up giving such a huge platform to people like Tommy Robinson. That’s not what this country is all about
Indeed AI frightens me, it is probably going to be far more disruptive to society than immigration. A mass of jobless people with no focus or feeling of self worth are a powder keg waiting to explode.Agenda funded grifters like the chav Tommy ten names or Farage are not the answer they re just opportunists.
I'm at the end of my working career being a higher rate tax payer for most of it with very good benefits. I'm not sure how some of the gullible angry people who support them would cope with further economic decline due to removal of 'anti woke' polices and privatising of the NHS. Which in reality is the direction of travel for Reform with US backing.
My wider thoughts - Sadly there are now generations of families British born costing the state a lot more than immigration. All using tax funding services.
There are good people across communities everywhere just look at the millions of volunteers and foodback workers. But there are also some shocking people in those areas too who don't feel it's their right to contribute to the country that they live in and supports them.
I wonder how many of those people protesting in London yesterday truly contribute the social fabric of the country they claim to love. Fighting the police isn't evidence of that.
The social decline in some areas of the UK has been in progress for decades accelerated by the decline of geographic localised industries. This wasn't tackled at the time as Britain becoming a service industry led economy was the strategy, but sadly it was too London centric in my opinion and the money didn't bleed across the UK it just put house prices up.
Maybe we should be more angry about that and trillions going to off shore accounts in places like the cayman islands rater then feeding back into the UK.
Looking forward - Having worked in technology the biggest threat to working class people is not immigration or if someone wants to dress up as a woman, it's the rapid implementation of AI and the shedding of workforces across Britain. I have seen whole teams disappear in 18 months against an original timeframe of 3 years. The machine learning is frightening. This is only the start and with less people paying taxes or on lower pay there will be even less money to run the country with.
Indeed AI frightens me, it is probably going to be far more disruptive to society than immigration. A mass of jobless people with no focus or feeling of self worth are a powder keg waiting to explode.
Agenda funded grifters like the chav Tommy ten names or Farage are not the answer they re just opportunists.
I'm at the end of my working career being a higher rate tax payer for most of it with very good benefits. I'm not sure how some of the gullible angry people who support them would cope with further economic decline due to removal of 'anti woke' polices and privatising of the NHS. Which in reality is the direction of travel for Reform with US backing.
My wider thoughts - Sadly there are now generations of families British born costing the state a lot more than immigration. All using tax funding services.
There are good people across communities everywhere just look at the millions of volunteers and foodback workers. But there are also some shocking people in those areas too who don't feel it's their right to contribute to the country that they live in and supports them.
I wonder how many of those people protesting in London yesterday truly contribute the social fabric of the country they claim to love. Fighting the police isn't evidence of that.
The social decline in some areas of the UK has been in progress for decades accelerated by the decline of geographic localised industries. This wasn't tackled at the time as Britain becoming a service industry led economy was the strategy, but sadly it was too London centric in my opinion and the money didn't bleed across the UK it just put house prices up.
Maybe we should be more angry about that and trillions going to off shore accounts in places like the cayman islands rater then feeding back into the UK.
Looking forward - Having worked in technology the biggest threat to working class people is not immigration or if someone wants to dress up as a woman, it's the rapid implementation of AI and the shedding of workforces across Britain. I have seen whole teams disappear in 18 months against an original timeframe of 3 years. The machine learning is frightening. This is only the start and with less people paying taxes or on lower pay there will be even less money to run the country with.
Im not sure if this is a genuine question? Or a leading question where you think you'll get a "gotcha moment" when i say "I only care about the boats"!Apart from claims that they will stop immigration, what other policies of RF are you willing to try?
Well if your biggest issue is the boats then you're not really looking at where the vast majority of immigration, and even illegal immigration is coming from. It's like there being a bank robbery and focusing on someone stealing the little pens on chains from the counter.Im not sure if this is a genuine question? Or a leading question where you think you'll get a "gotcha moment" when i say "I only care about the boats"!
Either way, ill bite!
First and foremost, my biggest concern at the moment is the boats, and the sheer number of illegals crossing. So, yes, in that sense, you get your "gotcha" moment. Well done you.
Other policies of theirs I agree with are:
Net Zero. It isn't working how the current and former government think it was and want it to. Yes, in an ideal world, net zero is perfect. But its not happening. There are currently no replacements for coal. There are advancements on replacements for petrol/diesel by using electric, but its still not fully ready or working.
So, coal is still being used, its still being mined. And our government says we've reduced our carbon footprint by not mining coal and drilling oil, but in truth, we've made our footprint bigger. Because were still using these things, but now shipping it from China. So using more fossil fuels to ship fossil fuels. And in doing so, are putting hundreds of oil riggers and miners etc out of work.
If and when a replacement is available, I fully agree all fossil fuels should be ceased. But currently, their isnt. And theyre still being used. So why double the carbon footprint to ship something half way around the world, that is readily available on our doorstep?
Another policy i like is their pledge to raise defence spending up to 3%GDP. The highest of all the parties.
Also, not an important thing, but something id like.to see is St.Georges day a bank holiday! That'd be a nice touch!
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But were not rid of fossil fuels, and whilst were still needing to use them, why ship them half way round the world, when we could create jobs that were dismantled in getting to "net zero"?Well if your biggest issue is the boats then you're not really looking at where the cast majority of immigration, and even illegal immigration is coming from. It's like there being a bank robbery and focusing on someone stealing the little pens on chains from the counter.
As for not having a replacement for coal, there are loads. Solar, wind, tidal, geothermal etc could all provide us with the energy we need if we just made the decision to invest in it and increase the scale of them. As an island on the edge of a massive ocean we're very well located to utilise a number of those technologies. Nuclear could provide a help with this transition as even though I'm not a big fan it is on balance the lesser of two evils and yes it is expensive to set up new reactors.
The reason we still use coal is because of the massive fossil fuel lobby. If we invested even half the amount the fossil fuel lobby has spent keeping the likes of coal and gas being used on other forms of energy we'd already be rid of fossil fuels.
And why spend a fortune opening up mines or drilling for oil/gas when we could focus that attention of the production of clean energy instead? That creates jobs too as well.But were not rid of fossil fuels, and whilst were still needing to use them, why ship them half way round the world, when we could create jobs that were dismantled in getting to "net zero"?
I think we can ALL agree, the sooner we get to net zero, the better. But were miles of being even close. So why put hundreds of British workers in the unemployed stats getting rid of theor jobs/industries until were in a position to fully replace their product?
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They are agitators who are getting funding to disrupt society. Robinson in particular is getting money from Zionist sources, look at his behaviour draping himself in an Israeli flag.Agenda funded grifters like the chav Tommy ten names or Farage are not the answer they re just opportunists.
There would be plenty on here who would drive you to Poland, although not sure they'd be ecstatic having Cov's most embarrassing supporter live there.Please do, that would be the best news of the year. I’ll even pay for the ticket
Cov’s most embarrassing supporter. Says a fanny like yourself, you’d get laughed at by literally everybody I know. Some of your outbursts are absolutely hilariousThere would be plenty on here who would drive you to Poland, although not sure they'd be ecstatic having Cov's most embarrassing supporter live there.
I don't expect you two to get on, but can I remind you about the mad hatters, the nonce drummer, Jatty don't care and Craig Danny?There would be plenty on here who would drive you to Poland, although not sure they'd be ecstatic having Cov's most embarrassing supporter live there.
Hate it when people are funnier and quicker than meI don't expect you two to get on, but can I remind you about the mad hatters, the nonce drummer, Jatty don't care and Craig Danny?
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