Brighton Sky Blue
Well-Known Member
Genuinely couldn’t make it up.
Genuinely couldn’t make it up.Doesn't live in the country any more does he. Took what he could get and fucked off.
A lot depends on the media I suspect. They've had an easy ride up to now, Farage allowed to spout off on Question Time on a regular basis but very little scrutiny of any policy matters.I think it depends really.
There's certainly too much in-fighting and I would say most people who would vote for them wouldn't be doing so because they necessarily like them or believe they are going to solve all the problems. It's more of a protest really.
That said, should there be another big event. A terrorist attack or such the like, or an absolute bollock drop from the Labour Party, then we might see Reform scale up again.
I would even if you had kids BSB, much better life for them out there, and before anyone says, why don't you bugger off then, I'm too old and not professionally qualified lolWe won't because we have a young child and will probably have another by then, as I said.
Several friends of ours have successfully emigrated to Australia though, it's something we'd do without children if the country got into a bad enough state. Both well qualified professionals who'd have no problem meeting the points target for entry there.
But, as Farage and UKIP have already shown, a party doesn't have to be in power, or even hold any seats, to change the way the government does its business. UKIP made enough noise for the tories to listen and in fear of losing seats to them, gave us the referendum. And there was far less noise then, than what there is now!I honestly don't think Reform have a cat in hell's chance of getting in.
As they say, a week is a long time in politics, let alone 4 years. These extreme parties always get found out.
I think if there was any danger of Reform getting in, I think Labour, the Lib Dems, Plaid Cymru, the SNP and the Greens, would probably all get together and form some sort of coalition to prevent that from happening.
Farage is all just rhetoric. He's already had to rein back on the two week nonsense. Now saying two weeks after agreement, which could take several months, even years.
Arguably the fractured right side of politics suits Labour to maintain seats on a low share. The concern shoudl be the red wall seats in deprived areas who blame migration for other issues and are more likely to be manipulated.But, as Farage and UKIP have already shown, a party doesn't have to be in power, or even hold any seats, to change the way the government does its business. UKIP made enough noise for the tories to listen and in fear of losing seats to them, gave us the referendum. And there was far less noise then, than what there is now!
They might not get in, but they can certainly be noisy enough to change Tory and/or Labour policies that effect immigration.
They may not get in, but every party from Labour to the Raving loonies, all know immigration is the biggest political discussion at present. And if they dont want to lose seats to Reform, they need to start addressing it
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In some ways that's just levelling the playing field. We've long heard complaints / theories that the fractured left side of politics led to repeated Conservative election winsArguably the fractured right side of politics suits Labour to maintain seats on a low share.
I left over 6 years ago and there’s no chance I’d move back now.I would even if you had kids BSB, much better life for them out there, and before anyone says, why don't you bugger off then, I'm too old and not professionally qualified lol
We wouldn't let you back boyI left over 6 years ago and there’s no chance I’d move back now.
Got to be better than Reform though surely.God help us all if that happens.
Most reform voters think he will tax the rich more and bring fairness and integrity back into politics it’s fuckin bizarreGot to be better than Reform though surely.
I think they would be an utter disaster.
Everyone else has cocked up, but they would do this country so much damage. I think "snake oil salesman" is a very apt tag for Farage.
I genuinely think if he got into power he would resign and hand over leadership.Got to be better than Reform though surely.
I think they would be an utter disaster.
Everyone else has cocked up, but they would do this country so much damage. I think "snake oil salesman" is a very apt tag for Farage.
Got to be better than Reform though surely.
I think they would be an utter disaster.
Everyone else has cocked up, but they would do this country so much damage. I think "snake oil salesman" is a very apt tag for Farage.
It's that simple and yet most people on here still don't see it.Most normal people are happy with a sensible level of immigration of vetted people who embrace and can help improve the country. Unfortunately what they have had is a shitshow from Tories and Labour with liberals in the background calling anyone who raised a genuine concern in the past racist.
Unsurprisingly that combo has led the rise of reform and scumbags like Tommy Robinson gathering more and more support. Not something I’d ever expect or want to see in this county even if it’s been happening across the continent
I would still argue that any problems with immigration are a symptom of rather than the cause of the country’s problems. If people’s lives were generally better, if whole regions of the country hadn’t been left to fester for decades and so on, the appetite for blaming it all on Johnny Foreigner wouldn’t be there.Most normal people are happy with a sensible level of immigration of vetted people who embrace and can help improve the country. Unfortunately what they have had is a shitshow from Tories and Labour with liberals in the background calling anyone who raised a genuine concern in the past racist.
Unsurprisingly that combo has led the rise of reform and scumbags like Tommy Robinson gathering more and more support. Not something I’d ever expect or want to see in this county even if it’s been happening across the continent
I would still argue that any problems with immigration are a symptom of rather than the cause of the country’s problems. If people’s lives were generally better, if whole regions of the country hadn’t been left to fester for decades and so on, the appetite for blaming it all on Johnny Foreigner wouldn’t be there.
I just think it’s also worth looking at the breakdown and where most immigration is going into. Students comprise a very big chunk of net migration, those coming for low paid work because conditions don’t attract British workers another, those filling skilled jobs yet another.Yeah, don’t disagree with that. It also brings a lot of benefits when done in the right way. I still think the levels we have seen would have caused issues though. Many still haven’t accepted that if you have even net 300-400k per annum, year on year (let alone more which is what we’ve been seeing), it doesn’t impact public services/infrastructure. Just think of the infrastructure, doctors surgeries, hospital, schools etc a city like cov has for a population of 350k, how is it possible to deliver that annually ?! I’ll give everyone a clue, in the modern U.K,,it’s not.
Anyway, people will believe what they want. We’ve all done this discussion to death and I promised myself not to get bogged down in it again. It just infuriates me that we ended up giving such a huge platform to people like Tommy Robinson. That’s not what this country is all about
It's that simple and yet most people on here still don't see it.
If people’s lives were generally better, if whole regions of the country hadn’t been left to fester for decades and so on, the appetite for blaming it all on Johnny Foreigner wouldn’t be there.
Apart from claims that they will stop immigration, what other policies of RF are you willing to try?And if that's the case, he'll soon lose the faith put in him by the voters, and he, like Labour this time round, will quickly lose their seats.
From where im sat, im willing to give them a try, rather than just sit on an Internet football forum and claim "they'll make the country worse" as if ive got some all seeing powers and can read the future
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