Brighton Sky Blue
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Genuinely couldn’t make it up.
Immigration and Asylum (2 Viewers)
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chiefdave
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A lot depends on the media I suspect. They've had an easy ride up to now, Farage allowed to spout off on Question Time on a regular basis but very little scrutiny of any policy matters.
The conference seems to have been a bit of a turning point. Bringing out the likes of Malholtra & Connolly at the conference has led to questions they don't have an answer for. Now I'm not sure how many potential Reform voters watch the Sunday morning political shows but Farage was an absolute disaster doing the rounds following conference, couldn't answer basic questions on their favoured policy areas such as immigration.
I would even if you had kids BSB, much better life for them out there, and before anyone says, why don't you bugger off then, I'm too old and not professionally qualified lol
DT-R
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But, as Farage and UKIP have already shown, a party doesn't have to be in power, or even hold any seats, to change the way the government does its business. UKIP made enough noise for the tories to listen and in fear of losing seats to them, gave us the referendum. And there was far less noise then, than what there is now!
They might not get in, but they can certainly be noisy enough to change Tory and/or Labour policies that effect immigration.
They may not get in, but every party from Labour to the Raving loonies, all know immigration is the biggest political discussion at present. And if they dont want to lose seats to Reform, they need to start addressing it
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rob9872
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Arguably the fractured right side of politics suits Labour to maintain seats on a low share. The concern shoudl be the red wall seats in deprived areas who blame migration for other issues and are more likely to be manipulated.
I also think some of you give the average voter too much credit. I think someone mentioned watching Sunday morning politics, to most it's simply a cross in a box every few years.
chiefdave
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In some ways that's just levelling the playing field. We've long heard complaints / theories that the fractured left side of politics led to repeated Conservative election wins
Sick Boy
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I left over 6 years ago and there’s no chance I’d move back now.
covcity4life
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We wouldn't let you back boy
1. Maybe we do need a Reform government !
2. There's to much diversity and inclusion in the two main party's !
|Aargh, I can hear almost hear the chants of Nazi racist bastard. Let me debate 1st please.
2. Its my belief that that both the Tory's and Labour have to way much of the above by way of the fractured differences in these party's for their leader to govern efficiently. You can debate all day long that the Tories screwed it up 1st(14 years etc), and have arguably that Labour have made things worse since taking office but IMO Conservative's have centre and right wing Euro sceptic elected MP's and Labour have centre and Left wing pro European elected MP's in the house, this is where my thought process of Diversion and Inclusion comes from, not cultural or ethnicity differences. Each of the leaders in these party's are trying to pander to all in there party whether it be on asylum, immigration, benefit reforms and tax's etc.
I don't know whether Farage with his yet to be costed manifesto idea's would do any better, but its a movement with less facets than current offering's of Labour or conservatives and according to current polling they could possibly just win a majority in the next election.
Corbyn's party and Lib Dem could only be part of a coalition on current numbers polled which would make each party even more diverse than it already is requiring even greater inclusion.
Reform will get vote not as a protest but in the hope of what I was expecting with Labour CHANGE.
To be honest I do have an Altaire motive in that I live very close to an HMO that has taken me 40+ years working in the private sector on low wages to own outright and I'm concerned that could possibly be used for asylum seekers. Would this potentially cost me £££ in its value?
With only the state pension guaranteed I had thoughts on equity release to supplement my retirement could this be jeopardised if house value drops significantly and I wish to down size?
2. There's to much diversity and inclusion in the two main party's !
|Aargh, I can hear almost hear the chants of Nazi racist bastard. Let me debate 1st please.
2. Its my belief that that both the Tory's and Labour have to way much of the above by way of the fractured differences in these party's for their leader to govern efficiently. You can debate all day long that the Tories screwed it up 1st(14 years etc), and have arguably that Labour have made things worse since taking office but IMO Conservative's have centre and right wing Euro sceptic elected MP's and Labour have centre and Left wing pro European elected MP's in the house, this is where my thought process of Diversion and Inclusion comes from, not cultural or ethnicity differences. Each of the leaders in these party's are trying to pander to all in there party whether it be on asylum, immigration, benefit reforms and tax's etc.
I don't know whether Farage with his yet to be costed manifesto idea's would do any better, but its a movement with less facets than current offering's of Labour or conservatives and according to current polling they could possibly just win a majority in the next election.
Corbyn's party and Lib Dem could only be part of a coalition on current numbers polled which would make each party even more diverse than it already is requiring even greater inclusion.
Reform will get vote not as a protest but in the hope of what I was expecting with Labour CHANGE.
To be honest I do have an Altaire motive in that I live very close to an HMO that has taken me 40+ years working in the private sector on low wages to own outright and I'm concerned that could possibly be used for asylum seekers. Would this potentially cost me £££ in its value?
With only the state pension guaranteed I had thoughts on equity release to supplement my retirement could this be jeopardised if house value drops significantly and I wish to down size?
Flying Fokker
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Otis
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Got to be better than Reform though surely.
I think they would be an utter disaster.
Everyone else has cocked up, but they would do this country so much damage. I think "snake oil salesman" is a very apt tag for Farage.
Sky Blue Pete
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Most reform voters think he will tax the rich more and bring fairness and integrity back into politics it’s fuckin bizarre
Ccfcisparks
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I genuinely think if he got into power he would resign and hand over leadership.
He's a disrupter not a leader.
Most normal people are happy with a sensible level of immigration of vetted people who embrace and can help improve the country. Unfortunately what they have had is a shitshow from Tories and Labour with liberals in the background calling anyone who raised a genuine concern in the past racist.
Unsurprisingly that combo has led the rise of reform and scumbags like Tommy Robinson gathering more and more support. Not something I’d ever expect or want to see in this county even if it’s been happening across the continent
Unsurprisingly that combo has led the rise of reform and scumbags like Tommy Robinson gathering more and more support. Not something I’d ever expect or want to see in this county even if it’s been happening across the continent
TomRad85
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It's that simple and yet most people on here still don't see it.
Brighton Sky Blue
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I would still argue that any problems with immigration are a symptom of rather than the cause of the country’s problems. If people’s lives were generally better, if whole regions of the country hadn’t been left to fester for decades and so on, the appetite for blaming it all on Johnny Foreigner wouldn’t be there.
Yeah, don’t disagree with that. It also brings a lot of benefits when done in the right way. I still think the levels we have seen would have caused issues though. Many still haven’t accepted that if you have even net 300-400k per annum, year on year (let alone more which is what we’ve been seeing), it doesn’t impact public services/infrastructure. Just think of the infrastructure, doctors surgeries, hospital, schools etc a city like cov has for a population of 350k, how is it possible to deliver that annually ?! I’ll give everyone a clue, in the modern U.K,,it’s not.
Anyway, people will believe what they want. We’ve all done this discussion to death and I promised myself not to get bogged down in it again. It just infuriates me that we ended up giving such a huge platform to people like Tommy Robinson. That’s not what this country is all about
Brighton Sky Blue
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I just think it’s also worth looking at the breakdown and where most immigration is going into. Students comprise a very big chunk of net migration, those coming for low paid work because conditions don’t attract British workers another, those filling skilled jobs yet another.
Nick
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"Doctors and nurses"
I don't get why people are so scared in the actual point and try to blur it as much as they can.
mmttww
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Major Tom
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Apart from claims that they will stop immigration, what other policies of RF are you willing to try?And if that's the case, he'll soon lose the faith put in him by the voters, and he, like Labour this time round, will quickly lose their seats.
From where im sat, im willing to give them a try, rather than just sit on an Internet football forum and claim "they'll make the country worse" as if ive got some all seeing powers and can read the future
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Major Tom
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Agenda funded grifters like the chav Tommy ten names or Farage are not the answer they re just opportunists.
I'm at the end of my working career being a higher rate tax payer for most of it with very good benefits. I'm not sure how some of the gullible angry people who support them would cope with further economic decline due to removal of 'anti woke' polices and privatising of the NHS. Which in reality is the direction of travel for Reform with US backing.
My wider thoughts - Sadly there are now generations of families British born costing the state a lot more than immigration. All using tax funding services.
There are good people across communities everywhere just look at the millions of volunteers and foodback workers. But there are also some shocking people in those areas too who don't feel it's their right to contribute to the country that they live in and supports them.
I wonder how many of those people protesting in London yesterday truly contribute the social fabric of the country they claim to love. Fighting the police isn't evidence of that.
The social decline in some areas of the UK has been in progress for decades accelerated by the decline of geographic localised industries. This wasn't tackled at the time as Britain becoming a service industry led economy was the strategy, but sadly it was too London centric in my opinion and the money didn't bleed across the UK it just put house prices up.
Maybe we should be more angry about that and trillions going to off shore accounts in places like the cayman islands rater then feeding back into the UK.
Looking forward - Having worked in technology the biggest threat to working class people is not immigration or if someone wants to dress up as a woman, it's the rapid implementation of AI and the shedding of workforces across Britain. I have seen whole teams disappear in 18 months against an original timeframe of 3 years. The machine learning is frightening. This is only the start and with less people paying taxes or on lower pay there will be even less money to run the country with.