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Immigration and Asylum (5 Viewers)

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Sick Boy

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  • Wednesday at 6:31 PM
  • #71
DT-R said:
I pay £10 a month subscription for English Heritage membership. If you've been given refugee status you go for free!





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A refugee and an immigrant aren't necessarily the same thing...
 

DT-R

Well-Known Member
  • Wednesday at 6:35 PM
  • #72
Sick Boy said:
A refugee and an immigrant aren't necessarily the same thing...
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No, but why am I paying for somebody not born of this country to benefit from freebies amd handouts?

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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Wednesday at 6:38 PM
  • #73
DT-R said:
No, but why am I paying for somebody not born of this country to benefit from freebies amd handouts?

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It's a charity providing refugees with free entry; you're not directly paying for them. People can't go on about others not integrating into society but then complain when a refugee wants to go and admire the country and learn more about its history.
 
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DT-R

Well-Known Member
  • Wednesday at 6:40 PM
  • #74
Sick Boy said:
It's a charity providing refugees with free entry; you're not directly paying for them. People can't go on about others not integrating into society but then complain when a refugee wants to go and admire the country and learn more about its history.
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I didnt mean I was paying for them. I missed a comma. Why am I paying, only for somebody else to get free handouts. Is what i meant.

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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Wednesday at 6:42 PM
  • #75
Gynnsthetonic said:
You go down A&E and you'll see.
Drive down a street during the day and see every cafe full outside with men drinking coffee and smoking.
Go to sports centres, Alan Higgs, AT7 especially full of immigrants getting it for free.
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When you say immigrants do you mean people like my Dutch missus who moved here seven years ago? How do you know?

People sitting outside cafes is just a cultural difference. We sit around someone’s house they sit outside cafes. I’m not sure you know what jobs or immigration statuses people have just by looking TBF.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Wednesday at 6:44 PM
  • #76
DT-R said:
I didnt mean I was paying for them. I missed a comma. Why am I paying, only for somebody else to get free handouts. Is what i meant.

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Feel free to set up a charity and distribute the donations I guess.
 

Ccfcisparks

Well-Known Member
  • Wednesday at 6:46 PM
  • #77
shmmeee said:
When you say immigrants do you mean people like my Dutch missus who moved here seven years ago? How do you know?

People sitting outside cafes is just a cultural difference. We sit around someone’s house they sit outside cafes. I’m not sure you know what jobs or immigration statuses people have just by looking TBF.
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Is that the model?
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Wednesday at 6:47 PM
  • #78
Ccfcisparks said:
Is that the model?
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I’m sure I’m going to regret this, but: What?
 

Ccfcisparks

Well-Known Member
  • Wednesday at 6:47 PM
  • #79
shmmeee said:
I’m sure I’m going to regret this, but: What?
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When you finger her does she shit down your arm?
 
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Wednesday at 6:48 PM
  • #80
DT-R said:
The boat crossing only continue because there is no deterrent! As soon as we turn them straight around on a plane to Rwanda/Afghanistan etc, there will be no deterrent and they will keep coming!

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Rwanda is not a stable country.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Wednesday at 6:52 PM
  • #81
PVA said:
One of the main drivers behind Brexit was to reduce immigration. All it did was replace Poles and Latvians with Pakistanis and Nigerians.
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I had no interest in immigration levels when I voted
 

Gynnsthetonic

Well-Known Member
  • Wednesday at 6:55 PM
  • #82
shmmeee said:
When you say immigrants do you mean people like my Dutch missus who moved here seven years ago? How do you know?

People sitting outside cafes is just a cultural difference. We sit around someone’s house they sit outside cafes. I’m not sure you know what jobs or immigration statuses people have just by looking TBF.
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I'm sure your Dutch missus does not claim benefits
 

DT-R

Well-Known Member
  • Wednesday at 6:56 PM
  • #83
wingy said:
Rwanda is not a stable country.
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And....... that's my problem how?

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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Wednesday at 7:03 PM
  • #84
DT-R said:
No, i dont disagree with that. One of my biggest regrets was not trying to get Australian citizenship whilst in the army.

I disagree with "leaving because x, y, or z politicians got voted in"! Just look at the Americans now with egg on their face saying they'd leave if Trump got in. All blindly following celebs. All well and good if you're Ellen and got millions in the bank to just up and move. Look like a bit of a c**t though as Joe blogs that said it because Beyoncé did, and are still sat in you're same house, with the same job, but just with a new president.


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If they could afford an egg?
 

Gynnsthetonic

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  • Wednesday at 7:05 PM
  • #85
wingy said:
Rwanda is not a stable country.
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One of the most stable in Africa
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Wednesday at 7:12 PM
  • #86
Gynnsthetonic said:
I'm sure your Dutch missus does not claim benefits
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She doesn’t. She has worked pretty much every day since he arrived. But she does have a long term health condition that’s treated by the NHS. But if you saw her in the waiting room you wouldn’t know she was an immigrant is my point. Because she’s white and speaks with a British accent.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Wednesday at 7:13 PM
  • #87
DT-R said:
The boat crossing only continue because there is no deterrent! As soon as we turn them straight around on a plane to Rwanda/Afghanistan etc, there will be no deterrent and they will keep coming!

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They started off there. When Israel tried the Rwanda scheme they found the majority of returns just went straight back to people trafficking routes.

I think you really underestimate how much people want to move countries.
 
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wingy

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  • Wednesday at 7:22 PM
  • #88
Gynnsthetonic said:
One of the most stable in Africa
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Not sponsoring a terrorist group?
 
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PVA

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  • Wednesday at 7:34 PM
  • #89
Grendel said:
I had no interest in immigration levels when I voted
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Maybe not but what I said is still correct.
 

Gynnsthetonic

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  • Wednesday at 7:55 PM
  • #90
wingy said:
Not sponsoring a terrorist group?
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I wouldn't class Arsenal as a terrorist organisation
 

Ian1779

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  • Wednesday at 10:47 PM
  • #91
Sick Boy said:
A refugee and an immigrant aren't necessarily the same thing...
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It’s boring that after 5 years of debating people still don’t know the difference between the terms refugee, asylum seeker and immigrant.
 
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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Wednesday at 10:57 PM
  • #92
Ian1779 said:
It’s boring that after 5 years of debating people still don’t know the difference between the terms refugee, asylum seeker and immigrant.
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Or that none of those are illegal immigrants.
 
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Otis

Well-Known Member
  • Thursday at 6:12 AM
  • #93
I honestly don't think Reform have a cat in hell's chance of getting in.

As they say, a week is a long time in politics, let alone 4 years. These extreme parties always get found out.

I think if there was any danger of Reform getting in, I think Labour, the Lib Dems, Plaid Cymru, the SNP and the Greens, would probably all get together and form some sort of coalition to prevent that from happening.

Farage is all just rhetoric. He's already had to rein back on the two week nonsense. Now saying two weeks after agreement, which could take several months, even years.
 
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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Thursday at 7:11 AM
  • #94
Otis said:
I honestly don't think Reform have a cat in hell's chance of getting in.

As they say, a week is a long time in politics, let alone 4 years. These extreme parties always get found out.

I think if there was any danger of Reform getting in, I think Labour, the Lib Dems, Plaid Cymru, the SNP and the Greens, would probably all get together and form some sort of coalition to prevent that from happening.

Farage is all just rhetoric. He's already had to rein back on the two week nonsense. Now saying two weeks after agreement, which could take several months, even years.
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I don’t think it looks good for them. Their ceiling seems to have been hit. They won’t get more mainstream without annoying the crazies. There’s no more non voters to tap.

Never say never but the conference talk of “election soon guys” was huge cope and I wonder if they know they can’t keep this up for another three years. FPTP doesn’t favour them and a majority of the country really doesn’t like them.

Most parties get a conference boost from the coverage but they got a conference dip as people saw the other mental stuff they do.
 
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rob9872

Well-Known Member
  • Thursday at 7:54 AM
  • #95
Yet still you mention them in every post ....
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Well-Known Member
  • Thursday at 8:49 AM
  • #96
Otis said:
I honestly don't think Reform have a cat in hell's chance of getting in.

As they say, a week is a long time in politics, let alone 4 years. These extreme parties always get found out.

I think if there was any danger of Reform getting in, I think Labour, the Lib Dems, Plaid Cymru, the SNP and the Greens, would probably all get together and form some sort of coalition to prevent that from happening.

Farage is all just rhetoric. He's already had to rein back on the two week nonsense. Now saying two weeks after agreement, which could take several months, even years.
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I think it depends really.

There's certainly too much in-fighting and I would say most people who would vote for them wouldn't be doing so because they necessarily like them or believe they are going to solve all the problems. It's more of a protest really.

That said, should there be another big event. A terrorist attack or such the like, or an absolute bollock drop from the Labour Party, then we might see Reform scale up again.
 

TomRad85

Well-Known Member
  • Thursday at 9:07 AM
  • #97
Otis said:
I think Labour, the Lib Dems, Plaid Cymru, the SNP and the Greens, would probably all get together and form some sort of coalition to prevent that from happening.
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God help us all if that happens.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Thursday at 9:08 AM
  • #98
TomRad85 said:
God help us all if that happens.
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I agree. Imagine trying to fit all those different colours and logos on one flag.
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Thursday at 9:36 AM
  • #99
shmmeee said:
Is there any evidence we’re seeing lots of Asian or African immigrants scrounging?
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Yeah, there is; people from Somalia, for example, are massively scrounging.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Thursday at 9:38 AM
  • #100
Nick said:
Yeah, there is; people from Somalia, for example, are massively scrounging.
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Typical Mo bloody Farah
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Thursday at 9:39 AM
  • #101
shmmeee said:
When you say immigrants do you mean people like my Dutch missus who moved here seven years ago? How do you know?

People sitting outside cafes is just a cultural difference. We sit around someone’s house they sit outside cafes. I’m not sure you know what jobs or immigration statuses people have just by looking TBF.
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Although have a drive past Culworth Court at any time of the day and it's pretty obvious.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Thursday at 10:02 AM
  • #102
DT-R said:
The boat crossing only continue because there is no deterrent! As soon as we turn them straight around on a plane to Rwanda/Afghanistan etc, there will be no deterrent and they will keep coming!

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Don’t be so sure
Farage started with he’ll stop them in 2 weeks
Then changed to we’ll stop in 2 weeks after the legislation has gone through parliament mmmmmmmm
 

rob9872

Well-Known Member
  • Thursday at 10:06 AM
  • #103
Blast one out of the water (an empty one, not with actual people in), but advertise it on every news channel that you have. Already enough jeopardy in crossing, add that risk and I think it would pretty much stop overnight.
 

Marty

Well-Known Member
  • Thursday at 10:15 AM
  • #104
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Typical Mo bloody Farah
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Doesn't live in the country any more does he. Took what he could get and fucked off.
 
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Ccfcisparks

Well-Known Member
  • Thursday at 10:19 AM
  • #105
Marty said:
Doesn't live in the country any more does he. Took what he could get and fucked off.
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I'd say he gave a lot more to our country than he took on the balance of play
 
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