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So your fix-all is to get rid of the ECHR when all the main parts of it are in English law anyway? So getting rid of the ECHR won't make the blindest bit of difference as the laws will still be there. That's my point.Yes it would.
I’d actually go one step further and go as far to say that English common law traditions already guarantee all the human rights and liberties outlined in the ECHR.
If that’s the case, we don’t need the ECHR then.
It’s quite ironic seeing you two have no idea about our history. You’d think we didn’t have human rights before 1997.
How the fuck is he now getting interviewed on TV? I seriously don’t understand what is going on anymore
Haha I actually thought the same about I’m a Celebrity.He'll be on I'm a Celebrity in nxt few weeks & Strictly nxt year
It will because what the Human Rights Act did is a) enshrine the ECHR into UK law and b) accepts the rulings of the ECtHR*.So your fix-all is to get rid of the ECHR when all the main parts of it are in English law anyway? So getting rid of the ECHR won't make the blindest bit of difference as the laws will still be there. That's my point.
It's the fact that it's got 'European' in the title that makes it this massive stumbling block for many.
International law would still apply though and due to the proximity to France there are no international waters to 'push' these boats back into. So France could just as easily record us forcing boats into their waters in contravention of international law, or just turn them straight back round again into our own waters.It will because what the Human Rights Act did is a) enshrine the ECHR into UK law and b) accepts the rulings of the ECtHR*.
The reason the UK Government experienced legal fare with the Rwanda scheme was because of this legal framework. Dismantling this framework and passing primary legislation to reassert parliamentary sovereignty is goal here.
Dominic Cummings is on record saying the Royal Navy would find it ‘operationally easy’ to turn boats around in the English Channel but doing so would contravene the ECHR. They could be wrong but you’d expect the Royal Navy to be subject matter experts on the logistics of that operation.
Anyway, we fundamentally disagree on whether or not this would work so there’s not much point in going round in circles. Suppose leaving the ECHR and implementing an Australian style ‘Operation Sovereign Borders’, would that be desirable outcome?
On the flip side, if this government found a way to keep the ECHR, stop the boats and deport foreign criminals… That would be a win-win. I’ve just lost confidence in the existing framework to deliver these goals and feel that successive governments would’ve found a way by now if it were possible (including EU countries).
* I’ve said ECJ in previous posts, please note this should actually read ECtHR and I’ve got my EU courts mixed up.
There is or seems to be a scheme to make them safe secure by giving them freedom's that frankly they shouldn't be afforded 1 you can't try before you buy.International law would still apply though and due to the proximity to France there are no international waters to 'push' these boats back into. So France could just as easily record us forcing boats into their waters in contravention of international law, or just turn them straight back round again into our own waters.
These are not solutions and just seem a very inefficient way to literally go round in circles.
Sure, I agree that things can't go on as they are but leaving the ECHR is going to be about as effective as leaving the EU was. The reality ends up being a bitch.
Australia would often tow boats back to Indonesian waters and this obviously caused diplomatic tensions. They’d also do things like provide life boats with a set route back to Indonesia. What you say would happen with the French did not occur with Australian and Indonesian authorities.International law would still apply though and due to the proximity to France there are no international waters to 'push' these boats back into. So France could just as easily record us forcing boats into their waters in contravention of international law, or just turn them straight back round again into our own waters.
These are not solutions and just seem a very inefficient way to literally go round in circles.
Sure, I agree that things can't go on as they are but leaving the ECHR is going to be about as effective as leaving the EU was. The reality ends up being a bitch.
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