Immigration and Asylum (3 Viewers)

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

If that is what’s been said, it’s probably because the language used seems to treat the people on the boats as bigger criminals than the traffickers.

Some of them are, unfortunately.

Turns out that chap from Afghanistan did come across the channel (albeit in a truck rather than a boat). We then gave him settled status and he celebrated by stabbing three people and murdering one of them.

Afghan man in court accused of murdering man in triple stabbing

Safi Dawood is charged with murder and two counts of attempted murder over the Uxbridge incident.

www.bbc.com

 

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

Some of them are, unfortunately.

Turns out that chap from Afghanistan did come across the channel (albeit in a truck rather than a boat). We then gave him settled status and he celebrated by stabbing three people and murdering one of them.

Afghan man in court accused of murdering man in triple stabbing

Safi Dawood is charged with murder and two counts of attempted murder over the Uxbridge incident.

www.bbc.com

The generalisation from some extreme cases is where I take issue. Whereas we can unambiguously say that every person taking cash to smuggle people is a criminal.

 

[Sick Boy]

Legal immigration is great for this country but I don’t get why being against illegal makes you a ‘massive racist’

Where has anyone said that?

 

[wingy]

The generalisation from some extreme cases is where I take issue. Whereas we can unambiguously say that every person taking cash to smuggle people is a criminal.

The thing I found incredulous that that individual just given £500 to leave only paid sub £500 to get here.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The thing I found incredulous that that individual just given £500 to leave only paid sub £500 to get here.

Who knows how much he really paid, what I’m sure of is he’ll try and get back in

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

The generalisation from some extreme cases is where I take issue. Whereas we can unambiguously say that every person taking cash to smuggle people is a criminal.

I don't see why it needs to be a competition. The smugglers are bad people, but a lot of the that are coming over the channel are as well. It is clearly causing a massive problem in the UK.

There seems to be a lot of denial and unwillingness from some to accept that this is the case, however, which is mind boggling. The line of 'generalisation' is really just a distraction technique and isn't particularly helpful as well.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I don't see why it needs to be a competition. The smugglers are bad people, but a lot of the that are coming over the channel are as well. It is clearly causing a massive problem in the UK.

There seems to be a lot of denial and unwillingness from some to accept that this is the case, however, which is mind boggling. The line of 'generalisation' is really just a distraction technique and isn't particularly helpful as well.

I disagree that a lot of them are unless you have evidence to the contrary. I know unequivocally that every human trafficker is a bad person.

If they were all white South Africans would your mind change?

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

I disagree that a lot of them are unless you have evidence to the contrary. I know unequivocally that every human trafficker is a bad person.

If they were all white South Africans would your mind change?

Evidence? Have you been following this thread?

There's a reason why Reform are winning in the polls. Half of it is due to the loss of control with immigration, and the level of crime that has come with it, and the other half is people like yourself on this thread, and in the wider country that are in complete denial and just ignore the concerns of most ordinary people.

You also seem rattled that an ethnic minority that is on the end of persecution can be recognised as refugees because they are white. It is very strange behaviour.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Evidence? Have you been following this thread?

There's a reason why Reform are winning in the polls. Half of it is due to the loss of control with immigration, and the level of crime that has come with it, and the other half is people like yourself on this thread, and in the wider country that are in complete denial and just ignore the concerns of most ordinary people.

You also seem rattled that an ethnic minority that is on the end of persecution can be recognised as refugees because they are white. It is very strange behaviour.

Oh, I’ve been trying to understand the other point of view on this as I hope has been obvious.

What the US have done is say we’ll only take 7500 people and white people are at the front of the queue. It’s literally racist. Why you’re having so much trouble with that I don’t know.

 

[Gynnsthetonic]

Oh, I’ve been trying to understand the other point of view on this as I hope has been obvious.

What the US have done is say we’ll only take 7500 people and white people are at the front of the queue. It’s literally racist. Why you’re having so much trouble with that I don’t know.

No you haven't, your so gullible, when the tories won by la landslide in 2019 you couldn't get your head around it as you didn't know anyone that voted for them until I popped up and said I do followed by a load of others. People are fed up with all the murders and sexual assaults carried out by all these unchecked immigrants. Theyre not doctors, nurses or engineers who come here with all their papers. You should be worried for your child's future because England is not a safe country to live in now.

 

[SBAndy]

No you haven't, your so gullible, when the tories won by la landslide in 2019 you couldn't get your head around it as you didn't know anyone that voted for them until I popped up and said I do followed by a load of others. People are fed up with all the murders and sexual assaults carried out by all these unchecked immigrants.

That is called confirmation bias.

 

[torchomatic]

That is called confirmation bias.

They're beyond help. Facebook and Twitter is full of them. All preparing for 'civil war' or preparing to be a "minority in my own country".

All ordering their crusader outfits from Temu.

 

[SBT]

Facebook and Twitter is full of them. All preparing for 'civil war'

Musk has gone particularly bonkers this week. Ranting about Lord of the Rings and predicting “inevitable” civil war in the UK. What is it with all the people who don’t even live here getting so hysterical about the situation?

 

[Gynnsthetonic]

They're beyond help. Facebook and Twitter is full of them. All preparing for 'civil war' or preparing to be a "minority in my own country".

All ordering their crusader outfits from Temu.

Get back to your library where you work. You obviously don't live in the real world. Librarian

 

[Sick Boy]

You should be worried for your child's future because England is not a safe country to live in now.

I was over last week and it’s really not that scary.

 

[Dougin]

I disagree that a lot of them are unless you have evidence to the contrary. I know unequivocally that every human trafficker is a bad person.

If they were all white South Africans would your mind change?

Talking about white South Africans, how is it ok they are having land taken off them that they have paid for?

Imagine if we started taking land off all the asian and black people that have bought it here there would be uproar.

 

[Sick Boy]

Talking about white South Africans, how is it ok they are having land taken off them that they have paid for?

Imagine if we started taking land off all the asian and black people that have bought it here there would be uproar.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

No you haven't, your so gullible, when the tories won by la landslide in 2019 you couldn't get your head around it as you didn't know anyone that voted for them until I popped up and said I do followed by a load of others. People are fed up with all the murders and sexual assaults carried out by all these unchecked immigrants. Theyre not doctors, nurses or engineers who come here with all their papers. You should be worried for your child's future because England is not a safe country to live in now.

My kids are nailing their future

 

[Marty]

My kids are nailing their future

I'm alright Jack.

 

[torchomatic]

Get back to your library where you work. You obviously don't live in the real world. Librarian

I know. Books, learning and education. Who needs 'em? Not Reform voters, that's for sure.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

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Get back to your library where you work. You obviously don't live in the real world. Librarian

what’s your job

 

[fatso]

I know. Books, learning and education. Who needs 'em? Not Reform voters, that's for sure.

That could well come back to bite you after the next general election.
And let's be honest, the Eton and Oxbridge toffs have done such a wonderful job in Westminster.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Come on stop playing stupid, he had a shit fit over that sticker with the slogan on it, what’s wrong with saying ‘stop the boats’ I’m genuinely intrigued to here why people don’t like it. Nobody wants people risking their lives and surely nobody wants people you know nothing about that could have done all kinds of things? @torchomatic just calls people every name under the sun because he’s a thick idiot that then can’t back up his point!

Legal immigration is great for this country but I don’t get why being against illegal makes you a ‘massive racist’

Can we please stop with the faux caring about people risking their lives crossing the channel. half the people saying that are also in favour of sinking the boats those people are on so it seems their welfare isn't actually that high on their agenda.