rob9872
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What out the trans community - are they staying or coming with us?
What out the trans community - are they staying or coming with us?Men are the problem mainly maybe we should all leave
They currently can’t
Which brings me back to my original question: how is a refugee supposed to legally enter the country?
It’s not a dubious data source, it’s from the Ministry of Justice. There’s also empirical evidence from other EU nations to corroborate the findings.My actual original reply was to challenge the highly dubious data source, which seems to be taken as a fact these days.
Do you think westerners commit a lower percentage of sexual crimes than Thais do in Thailand?
My actual original reply was to challenge the highly dubious data source, which seems to be taken as a fact these days.
No idea where we're at with this one. FHM top babes?Ireland has roughly the same as Italy, India while better than Pakistan is nothing to write home about, Nordic countries may come out top.
This was literally my original post. If you want to copy and paste graphs from Twitter or Reddit from a dubious think tank of a racist then crack on.No it wasn't.
You won't talk about the issue, so resort to ridiculous tangents or whataboutism like the above. It's transparent and boring.
That source looks very reliable.
The source was Rob Bates’ Centre of Migration Control.It’s not a dubious data source, it’s from the Ministry of Justice. There’s also empirical evidence from other EU nations to corroborate the findings.
Where was the data sourced from? The MoJ. That think tank mostly uses government sources…The source was Rob Bates’ Centre of Migration Control.
This was literally my original post. If you want to copy and paste graphs from Twitter or Reddit from a dubious think tank of a racist then crack on.
I'm not uncomfortable in any way at all, thanks.Yes exactly, absolutely nothing on the subject matter, and then when called out you start talking about Thailand.
Now backed into a corner you throw the racist card out even though MMB has explained what you and others haven't read, but want to argue with because you feel uncomfortable about where we are with the facts.
Is this just all a storm in a teacup to you then?I'm not uncomfortable in any way at all, thanks.
Unlike you, I don't tar thousands/millions/billions of people with the same brush based on the actions of scumbags.
There's always been some kind of scapegoat over the years, whether it's asylum seekers, Muslims, people from the Caribbean, the Poles, the Irish etc. A lot of today's issue in the UK are related to a lack of public spending and austerity.Is this just all a storm in a teacup to you then?
That there’s no issue with criminality or welfare dependency.
We’re happy to use statistics to demonstrate men are more violent than women and younger people more violent than the elderly and so on… So why is it taboo to point out there may be issues with certain nationalities?
For example, data collected shows that there is next to no criminality of Japanese migrants, welfare dependency and in most instances are economic productive and net tax contributors.
You need to drill down a lot more on the data to draw any conclusions.Isn't comparing the behaviour / crimes committed by asylum seekers and British citizens a bit flawed? (I think that's what's happening in the thread anyway).
Not sure comparing crime rates of people stuck in hotels, unable to work etc. for months or years with those for folks living normal lives tells us much.
if people are talking about data for people who have gone through the asylum process and are residents, I get it and there's a debate to be had.
Asylum seeker who murdered customer inside Lloyds Bank in Derby jailed
Haybe Cabdiraxmaan Nur is jailed for life for the murder of 37-year-old Gurvinder Johal.www.bbc.co.uk
another one
So you do read what's written, you just choose to ignore facts.It's coming any minute now ... that we don't take as many as other countries ... I can feel it, not too far away .. hold tight
And IF that's the case it suggests the mainstream of people don't understand that the ECHR also protects them and they'd lose a lot of legal protections if we got rid of it.The majority of the electorate accept that trade off. This is how leaving the ECHR has gone from fringe opinion to the mainstream in little over a year.
The current frameworks are just not working for us (or Europe) and there’s no sign of that changing. This is an issue that seems to be impacting Europe the most so perhaps we adapt similar regimes that Australia, Japan and the USA adhere too.
Japan’s grants around 1% (or thereabouts) of asylum claims, peaking at 9%. In the UK, our rate peaked at 76% in 2022 and before the Human Rights Act was enacted in law, it was around 8%.
Clearly the problem lies somewhere with the passing of the Human Rights Act that enshrined th ECHR in UK law. This is something David Blunkett and Jack Straw recognise when calling to reverse a measure they voted for. It’s clearly had v unintended consequences.
I'm not uncomfortable in any way at all, thanks.
Unlike you, I don't tar thousands/millions/billions of people with the same brush based on the actions of scumbags.
Yep go back 9 years it was Eastern EuropeansThere's always been some kind of scapegoat over the years, whether it's asylum seekers, Muslims, people from the Caribbean, the Poles, the Irish etc. A lot of today's issue in the UK are related to a lack of public spending and austerity.
How does it protect them if it prevents the government deporting violent criminals?And IF that's the case it suggests the mainstream of people don't understand that the ECHR also protects them and they'd lose a lot of legal protections if we got rid of it.
Look no ones bothered, its just normal now. Brits getting murdered by Asylum Seekers daily.
Because there are more threats to them (many more likely to affect them day to day) than violent criminals that human rights legislation protects them from.How does it protect them if it prevents the government deporting violent criminals?
Anyway, you could rewrite the ECHR, amend the articles and how they’re applied and you have the same rights.
We’re going around in circles from previous convos, the bottom line is that Europe and the ECHR isn’t the only game in town. Our English common law traditions guarantees human rights and liberties in a robust way. The proof is Canada, Australia and New Zealand.
It’s more the rules based society than the particular acronymHow does it protect them if it prevents the government deporting violent criminals?
Anyway, you could rewrite the ECHR, amend the articles and how they’re applied and you have the same rights.
We’re going around in circles from previous convos, the bottom line is that Europe and the ECHR isn’t the only game in town. Our English common law traditions guarantees human rights and liberties in a robust way. The proof is Canada, Australia and New Zealand.
Just becoming the norm now.Asylum seeker who murdered customer inside Lloyds Bank in Derby jailed
Haybe Cabdiraxmaan Nur is jailed for life for the murder of 37-year-old Gurvinder Johal.www.bbc.co.uk
another one
Yes it would.Because there are more threats to them (many more likely to affect them day to day) than violent criminals that human rights legislation protects them from.
And rewriting/amending the ECHR and putting into UK legislation isn't the same thing as getting rid off it. The hardliners talking of getting rid of ECHR many are talking about getting rid of nanny state human rights legislation altogether don't give a fuck about others and assume their own lives and rights won't be affected, even though they will. For others it's just the European in the title and the idea that Europe is telling us what to do. Those more moderate and critical in their thinking like most parts of human rights legislation and want to keep them.
It’s more the rules based society than the particular acronym
Ok clever clogs without looking what are the main tenets of the echrYes it would.
I’d actually go one step further and go as far to say that English common law traditions already guarantee all the human rights and liberties outlined in the ECHR.
If that’s the case, we don’t need the ECHR then.
It’s quite ironic seeing you two have no idea about our history. You’d think we didn’t have human rights before 1997.
The source was Rob Bates’ Centre of Migration Control.
There’s 10 articles Pete, which of these articles did the UK not adhere too before the ECHR was a thing?Ok clever clogs without looking what are the main tenets of the echr
Speaking of which, I’ve noticed a lot of similar unrest outside asylum seeker hotels in Ireland, but how are they getting there?
All this when the demographic is 'minority'.Asylum seeker who murdered customer inside Lloyds Bank in Derby jailed
Haybe Cabdiraxmaan Nur is jailed for life for the murder of 37-year-old Gurvinder Johal.www.bbc.co.uk
another one
Our once proud country is finishedAsylum seeker who murdered customer inside Lloyds Bank in Derby jailed
Haybe Cabdiraxmaan Nur is jailed for life for the murder of 37-year-old Gurvinder Johal.www.bbc.co.uk
another one
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