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Ccfcisparks

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  • Yesterday at 10:28 AM
  • #316
Otis said:
Have you read it?

Read it. Some of it is insane.

It's there plain as day. Read it.
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Like which bits?
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Yesterday at 10:41 AM
  • #317
Ccfcisparks said:
Like which bits?
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Presumably a lot of people were high as fook when Revelations was written.
 
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Ccfcisparks

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  • Yesterday at 10:43 AM
  • #318
Sick Boy said:
Presumably a lot of people were high as fook when Revelations was written.
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probably. it is meant to be metaphorical I believe though and not literal
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Yesterday at 10:46 AM
  • #319
Ccfcisparks said:
probably. it is meant to be metaphorical I believe though and not literal
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Sounds like a pretty bad trip...

And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Yesterday at 10:47 AM
  • #320
Ccfcisparks said:
probably. it is meant to be metaphorical I believe though and not literal
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In which case why follow it?

It's either the word of God and therefore literal, or it isn't.

If it's just a bunch of morality tales how is it any different to the Arabian Nights or the Canterbury Tales? Or even just fairy tales?
 

Otis

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  • Yesterday at 10:49 AM
  • #321
She seems a nice person. Did well to survive childhood fame.
 
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Otis

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  • Yesterday at 10:50 AM
  • #322
Ccfcisparks said:
Like which bits?
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Like the bits I posted.
 

Grendel

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  • Yesterday at 10:50 AM
  • #323
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
In which case why follow it?

It's either the word of God and therefore literal, or it isn't.

If it's just a bunch of morality tales how is it any different to the Arabian Nights or the Canterbury Tales? Or even just fairy tales?
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It is nothing to do with the word of God?
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Yesterday at 10:50 AM
  • #324
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
In which case why follow it?

It's either the word of God and therefore literal, or it isn't.

If it's just a bunch of morality tales how is it any different to the Arabian Nights or the Canterbury Tales? Or even just fairy tales?
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well that one book perhaps. i am not a theologist so i have nothing to say on the discussion
 

rob9872

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  • Yesterday at 10:51 AM
  • #325
Otis said:
She seems a nice person. Did well to survive childhood fame.
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Tbf over the years she's had her knockers
 
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Otis

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  • Yesterday at 10:51 AM
  • #326
Sick Boy said:
Sounds like a pretty bad trip...

And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
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Definitely sounds like he was chasing the dragon there.
 

Grendel

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  • Yesterday at 10:59 AM
  • #327
Otis said:
Definitely sounds like he was chasing the dragon there.
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I am not an expert at all in theology by any standards but I did some research on it The Bible is not a series of instructions by God? Its an amalgamation of several different scriptures. Revelations is viewed by some as the writings of an outcasted Christian by the Roman Empire and the mythology is actually a symbolism of the evil of the Empire.
 
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Otis

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  • Yesterday at 11:04 AM
  • #328
Grendel said:
I am not an expert at all in theology by any standards but I did some research on it The Bible is not a series of instructions by God? Its an amalgamation of several different scriptures. Revelations is viewed by some as the writings of an outcasted Christian by the Roman Empire and the mythology is actually a symbolism of the evil of the Empire.
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Yeah, I would agree.

Have met many Christians though over the years, who do believe the Bible is the word of God.
 

rob9872

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  • Yesterday at 11:07 AM
  • #329
Otis said:
Yeah, I would agree.

Have met many Christians though over the years, who do believe the Bible is the word of God.
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How can it be if he doesnt exist?
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Yesterday at 11:09 AM
  • #330
Grendel said:
I am not an expert at all in theology by any standards but I did some research on it The Bible is not a series of instructions by God? Its an amalgamation of several different scriptures. Revelations is viewed by some as the writings of an outcasted Christian by the Roman Empire and the mythology is actually a symbolism of the evil of the Empire.
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Very good grendel
One of the biggest mistakes made for me was a sentence at the end saying anyone who adds or removes anything from this book is eternally damned

Also people say to me that the answer to all of life is in the bible and I’m like not really there’s nothing about lots of technological advances or climate change or ai etc etc
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Yesterday at 11:10 AM
  • #331
Otis said:
Yeah, I would agree.

Have met many Christians though over the years, who do believe the Bible is the word of God.
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It’s only ever god inspired not god written
It’s daft to think it’s the inerrant word of a supreme creator
 
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rob9872

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  • Yesterday at 11:13 AM
  • #332
Sky Blue Pete said:
It’s only ever god inspired not god written
It’s daft to think it’s the inerrant word of a supreme creator
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Especially in English, id have expected Hebrew or at the very least on timescale in Latin
 

rob9872

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  • Yesterday at 11:16 AM
  • #333
On a scale of 1 to 10 with 1 being low, how disrespectful would you say it was to use a page from a Gideon's Bible to roll a spliff
*if the shops were shut and you have no Rizlas does it knock a point or two off?

(asking for a friend)
 
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Grendel

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  • Yesterday at 1:07 PM
  • #334
Sky Blue Pete said:
It’s only ever god inspired not god written
It’s daft to think it’s the inerrant word of a supreme creator
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The problem is of course most people scoff at the existence of God but as the concept of infinity is also a difficult thing to believe how was the universe formed at all.
 

Otis

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  • Yesterday at 1:08 PM
  • #335
Grendel said:
The problem is of course most people scoff at the existence of God but as the concept of infinity is also a difficult thing to believe how was the universe formed at all.
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Yeah, agree. But what came before God and who created him?
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Yesterday at 1:13 PM
  • #336
Grendel said:
The problem is of course most people scoff at the existence of God but as the concept of infinity is also a difficult thing to believe how was the universe formed at all.
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Quite and maybe not most
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Yesterday at 1:14 PM
  • #337
Otis said:
Yeah, agree. But what came before God and who created him?
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Our vicar said the other day that the bible doesn’t start at the beginning of time which was interesting as if the world and universe was already there
 

Otis

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  • Yesterday at 1:21 PM
  • #338
Sky Blue Pete said:
Our vicar said the other day that the bible doesn’t start at the beginning of time which was interesting as if the world and universe was already there
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Time waits for no man.

Wonder if it does for God though.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Yesterday at 1:23 PM
  • #339
Grendel said:
The problem is of course most people scoff at the existence of God but as the concept of infinity is also a difficult thing to believe how was the universe formed at all.
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Infinity isn't hard to believe but it's hard for the human mind to comprehend it, hence God (a man-made concept) was created to explain it.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Yesterday at 1:24 PM
  • #340
Sick Boy said:
Infinity isn't hard to believe but it's hard for the human mind to comprehend it, hence God (a man-made concept) was created to explain it.
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You an atheist or agnostic sb?
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Yesterday at 1:37 PM
  • #341
Sky Blue Pete said:
You an atheist or agnostic sb?
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I always considered myself agnostic but leaning more towards atheist these days.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Yesterday at 1:50 PM
  • #342
Sick Boy said:
I always considered myself agnostic but leaning more towards atheist these days.
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That’s interesting
Is Italy very religious or similar to the uk?
 

duffer

Well-Known Member
  • Yesterday at 1:50 PM
  • #343
rob9872 said:
On a scale of 1 to 10 with 1 being low, how disrespectful would you say it was to use a page from a Gideon's Bible to roll a spliff
*if the shops were shut and you have no Rizlas does it knock a point or two off?

(asking for a friend)
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Not me you've got to ask mate, but combine that with voting Conservative and all I'd say is I wouldn't bother packing a thick coat when you're heading off to the afterlife.

(It's never too late to repent though, Comrade!)
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Yesterday at 1:55 PM
  • #344
Sky Blue Pete said:
That’s interesting
Is Italy very religious or similar to the uk?
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I'd say it's a fair bit more religious than the UK and the Church still has a lot of power...even though officially it's supposed to be a secular country, which is laughable.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Yesterday at 1:56 PM
  • #345
Sick Boy said:
I'd say it's a fair bit more religious than the UK and the Church still has a lot of power...even though officially it's supposed to be a secular country, which is laughable.
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I thought that
How does it affect your average Italian
 

DT-R

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  • Yesterday at 1:57 PM
  • #346
Grendel said:
The problem is of course most people scoff at the existence of God but as the concept of infinity is also a difficult thing to believe how was the universe formed at all.
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But which of the approximate 3000 gods created the world? Surely it was only 1? Or all? Or none? How are there so many all-knowing creators? Did they all create the world for their own followers? They all just happened to create the same world and put all their different followers in different locations? What if a King (Henry 8th) created a religion and not a God? Does that religion still have a god? Or did god condemn any followers of the king to hell? Where is hell? Because if that's to be believed, heaven is an outer space, other worldly place. Whereas hell is the fires within the earth's crust. If that's true, then we're all much closer to hell than we are heaven?

Sent from my SM-S711B using Tapatalk
 

Gynnsthetonic

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  • Yesterday at 2:06 PM
  • #347
Otis said:
Yeah, agree. But what came before God and who created him?
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Oh no, this needs a whole new thread on its own. Fascinating stuff that nobody,scientists, religion cannot fathom out
 

mmttww

Well-Known Member
  • Yesterday at 2:06 PM
  • #348
DT-R said:
which of the approximate 3000 gods...
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Too many Gods. Needs Elon and DOGE, I reckon.
 
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Gynnsthetonic

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  • Yesterday at 2:15 PM
  • #349
Otis said:
Yeah, agree. But what came before God and who created him?
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God's dad?
 

rob9872

Well-Known Member
  • Yesterday at 2:16 PM
  • #350
As Neil said "If you think about it, it's just 'dog' backwards"
 
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