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Match Thread Huddersfield (H) Mon 25/09 (1 Viewer)

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shmmeee

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  • Sep 23, 2023
  • #141
CCFC54321 said:
Agreed. Wing backs are a combination of defensive and attack. If you can’t defend then you’re no wing back!
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By this logic we haven’t had wingbacks for years as most of the could either not defend or not attack.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 23, 2023
  • #142
Saddlebrains said:
Honestly feel Robins has to ditch the wing back setup its not working

Footballs evolving away from it also

For me with the players we've got i think we need a kindof 4 2 3 1

GKWilson
RB Latibeaudiere
CB Thomas
CB Kitching
LB DaSilva
CDM Kelly
CM Allen
CAM Ayari
CAM Tats
CAM Palmer
ST Godden
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Thing is a modern back four works a lot like a three anyway with the FB moving into midfield. I really don’t think with a bit of tactical nous it’s beyond us.
 
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covcity4life

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  • Sep 23, 2023
  • #143
Think ayari looks rly good and would like to take the risk and start him in either CM behind Palmer or as AM with Allen as the CM

Wouldn't mind seeing what lati is like at rWB and bring Thomas back in as RCB
 

clint van damme

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  • Sep 23, 2023
  • #144
covcity4life said:
Think ayari looks rly good and would like to take the risk and start him in either CM behind Palmer or as AM with Allen as the CM

Wouldn't mind seeing what lati is like at rWB and bring Thomas back in as RCB
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I'd bring Ayari in for Palmer, he's improving every game and after Palmers performance Tuesday I'd take a gamble on him starting over Palmer.
 
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CCFC54321

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  • Sep 23, 2023
  • #145
Saddlebrains said:
Honestly feel Robins has to ditch the wing back setup its not working

Footballs evolving away from it also

For me with the players we've got i think we need a kindof 4 2 3 1

GKWilson
RB Latibeaudiere
CB Thomas
CB Kitching
LB DaSilva
CDM Kelly
CM Allen
CAM Ayari
CAM Tats
CAM Palmer
ST Godden
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I agree a change in formation or a plan B or C is needed. We are so predictable now.
 
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covcity4life

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  • Sep 23, 2023
  • #146
clint van damme said:
I'd bring Ayari in for Palmer, he's improving every game and after Palmers performance Tuesday I'd take a gamble on him starting over Palmer.
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Yeah I'm a Palmer fan but he's been poor last 2 games so no issue if he's dropped
 
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shmmeee

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  • Sep 23, 2023
  • #147
covcity4life said:
Think ayari looks rly good and would like to take the risk and start him in either CM behind Palmer or as AM with Allen as the CM

Wouldn't mind seeing what lati is like at rWB and bring Thomas back in as RCB
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This is why I favour a flat three. Allen Ayari and Eccles/Kelly. All have short comings but between them you’ve got energy vision and defensive ability.
 
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covcity4life

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  • Sep 23, 2023
  • #148
Saddlebrains said:
Honestly feel Robins has to ditch the wing back setup its not working

Footballs evolving away from it also

For me with the players we've got i think we need a kindof 4 2 3 1

GKWilson
RB Latibeaudiere
CB Thomas
CB Kitching
LB DaSilva
CDM Kelly
CM Allen
CAM Ayari
CAM Tats
CAM Palmer
ST Godden
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What he needs to do is sub wing backs.

Inzaghi in Italy subs both wing backs every game usually around 60-70 min mark.

It's such a intense position yet we just ran MVE into ground so soon.

Bidwell and BNC as an example coming on for 20-30 every game may have stopped us showing tiredness towards end of games
 
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Boicey

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  • Sep 23, 2023
  • #149
covcity4life said:
What he needs to do is sub wing backs.

Inzaghi in Italy subs both wing backs every game usually around 60-70 min mark.

It's such a intense position yet we just ran MVE into ground so soon.

Bidwell and BNC as an example coming on for 20-30 every game may have stopped us showing tiredness towards end of games
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It's an intense position if they bomb forward a lot. Ours don't.
 
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covcity4life

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  • Sep 23, 2023
  • #150
Boicey said:
It's an intense position if they bomb forward a lot. Ours don't.
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MVE did a lot of running back and forth imo
 

ccfc1234

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  • Sep 23, 2023
  • #151
Boicey said:
It's an intense position if they bomb forward a lot. Ours don't.
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I remember the performance of Giles against us in the second leg of the play-off semi final. He must have created 15 really attacking situations for his team and his crosses were nearly all dangerous. We really should be expecting one of our wing backs to be able to create attacking chances and put the ball into dangerous areas. While I think Saka lacks defensive ability, it was quite noticeable how much more intent we had on Tuesday when he came on and he did get at least 4 or 5 crosses into the box and one nearly resulted in Jay DS having a tap in.

I am not sure how proficient Hudderfield are down their left but if they are no particular threat, at home, I would be tempted to play Saka at RWB and ask Lati at RCB to be a bit extra vigilant if Saka is caught up the pitch.
 
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fatso

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  • Sep 23, 2023
  • #152
skybluecam said:
Not sure you can blame Sakamoto too much for the 2nd against Cardiff. If your wing back is back in the box competing for a cross something’s gone wrong with the system.
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Not blame him ???? Really????
If you ball watch while your man jogs past you and has a free tap in you need to be hung out to dry, he let his team mates down by not doing the basics.

There seems to be some fundamental misunderstanding of what the role of a wingback is on here.
Allow me to enlighten you, when your team don't have possession, the first and most important job of a wingback is to DEFEND!
 

Boicey

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 23, 2023
  • #153
fatso said:
Not blame him ???? Really????
If you ball watch while your man jogs past you and has a free tap in you need to be hung out to dry, he let his team mates down by not doing the basics.

There seems to be some fundamental misunderstanding of what the role of a wingback is on here.
Allow me to enlighten you, when your team don't have possession, the first and most important job of a wingback is to DEFEND!
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The only problem with that is Sakamoto isn't a wing back and I very much doubt he wants to become one.
Blame the manager.
 
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CCFC54321

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 23, 2023
  • #154
fatso said:
Not blame him ???? Really????
If you ball watch while your man jogs past you and has a free tap in you need to be hung out to dry, he let his team mates down by not doing the basics.

There seems to be some fundamental misunderstanding of what the role of a wingback is on here.
Allow me to enlighten you, when your team don't have possession, the first and most important job of a wingback is to DEFEND!
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Well said
 
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CCFC54321

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 23, 2023
  • #155
Boicey said:
The only problem with that is Sakamoto isn't a wing back and I very much doubt he wants to become one.
Blame the manager.
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I keep saying it and I’m not the only one I speak to says the same that Sakamoto isn’t a wing back suited for the championship. He may of got away with it in Japan and in the Belgium intergalactic leagues but not here over 40 odd games.

Robins knows that as now I’d guess.
 
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skyblue025

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 23, 2023
  • #156
Robins knew all along he wasn't a wing back. When we signed him he said " An exciting attacking midfielder " he might of hopes with coaching he could play wing back but clearly he didn't sign him as one.
The lad has made a mistake allowing his man inside him to score. If he's played as a wing back again maybe he will learn from it and it won't happen again. He certainly isn't the only player to make a mistake that the opposition score from this season.
 
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Boicey

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 23, 2023
  • #157
CCFC54321 said:
I keep saying it and I’m not the only one I speak to says the same that Sakamoto isn’t a wing back suited for the championship. He may of got away with it in Japan and in the Belgium intergalactic leagues but not here over 40 odd games.

Robins knows that as now I’d guess.
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You’re one of the more tedious trolls. On ignore for making me yawn. Do better.
 
Last edited: Sep 23, 2023

skybluecam

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 23, 2023
  • #158
fatso said:
Not blame him ???? Really????
If you ball watch while your man jogs past you and has a free tap in you need to be hung out to dry, he let his team mates down by not doing the basics.

There seems to be some fundamental misunderstanding of what the role of a wingback is on here.
Allow me to enlighten you, when your team don't have possession, the first and most important job of a wingback is to DEFEND!
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It’s not 1980 any more where everyone plays 44 fackin 2 with player roles set in concrete.

You can get away with playing wingbacks who don’t defend much if your team is set up right. Look at TAA for Liverpool who plays in a 4 yet is one of their main creative outlets and is limited defensively.

If Sakamoto plays RWB then the right sided CB needs to be instructed to cover him defensively.
 
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fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 23, 2023
  • #159
skybluecam said:
Not sure you can blame Sakamoto too much for the 2nd against Cardiff. If your wing back is back in the box competing for a cross something’s gone wrong with the system.
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You what?

Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Sep 23, 2023
  • #160
Palmer starts with Godden and Wright upfront and a 2-0 defeat followed by the forum exploding.
 

skybluecam

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 23, 2023
  • #161
fernandopartridge said:
You what?

Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk
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Watch the goal back.

For some reason Fadz calls Lati across to mark their #12, which leaves Sakamoto to cover Grant.

Fadz and Lati end up a couple of yards apart both covering the same man while the cross bypasses them.
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 23, 2023
  • #162
skybluecam said:
Watch the goal back.

For some reason Fadz calls Lati across to mark their #12, which leaves Sakamoto to cover Grant.

Fadz and Lati end up a couple of yards apart both covering the same man while the cross bypasses them.
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Grant was their left sided striker, he is Sakamoto's man in that scenario. You can't have big gaps between your centre backs for players to exploit.

Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk
 

skybluecam

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 23, 2023
  • #163
fernandopartridge said:
Grant was their left sided striker, he is Sakamoto's man in that scenario. You can't have big gaps between your centre backs for players to exploit.

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I don’t agree. If Sakamoto is picking up that man he’s going to be pinned in his own half all game.

At the beginning of the play Lati is covering Grant, but gets told to pass him on.
 
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theferret

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 23, 2023
  • #164
Looking like it'll be a pretty sparse crowd. Surprised how many season ticket holders I know who are sitting this one out. Imagine the official crowd with be ok, over 20K, but doubt there will be more than 16K in there. Should be in the pub now looking forward to this one. Fucking sky.
 
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procdoc

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 23, 2023
  • #165
I really want to see Robins try something different, especially now MVE is out for a while. I’d also throw Collins in now as he is meant to be better at distributing the ball.
Collins
LatI Fadz Binks Dasilva
Kelly Eccles
Sakamoto Ayari Wright
Godden

Subs: Wilson, Thomas, Kitching, Bidwell, Allen, Simms, Palmer, Obikwu, Rus
 

CovLad94

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 23, 2023
  • #166
2-0 win, shut the bedwetters up
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Sep 23, 2023
  • #167
skyblue025 said:
Robins knew all along he wasn't a wing back. When we signed him he said " An exciting attacking midfielder " he might of hopes with coaching he could play wing back but clearly he didn't sign him as one.
The lad has made a mistake allowing his man inside him to score. If he's played as a wing back again maybe he will learn from it and it won't happen again. He certainly isn't the only player to make a mistake that the opposition score from this season.
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Yeah it was weird to single him out when actual defenders have made worse mistakes this season and not been thrown under the bus.
 
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clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 23, 2023
  • #168
theferret said:
Looking like it'll be a pretty sparse crowd. Surprised how many season ticket holders I know who are sitting this one out. Imagine the official crowd with be ok, over 20K, but doubt there will be more than 16K in there. Should be in the pub now looking forward to this one. Fucking sky.
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Think a lot of people will sack it off next season when the new TV deal kicks in.
Lad at my place is a ST holder who works lates, he missing so many games it's ridiculous.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 23, 2023
  • #169
Sick Boy said:
Yeah it was weird to single him out when actual defenders have made worse mistakes this season and not been thrown under the bus.
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Well he did drop Thomas because of one game.
 
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SBT

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 23, 2023
  • #170
shmmeee said:
And not to beat a dead horse, but if you look at van Ewijks positions on transfermarkt for this season it has him playing RM for us, because that’s what it counts a wingback as.
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So because transfermarkt doesn’t make a distinction between RM and RWB, that means they’re actually the same position?
 
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Saddlebrains

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  • Sep 23, 2023
  • #171
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news

But another ones gone in training this morning

Dont know who yet
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 23, 2023
  • #172
Saddlebrains said:
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news

But another ones gone in training this morning

Dont know who yet
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Was it @Sky Blue Harry H who was organising the injury sweepstakes?
 

slyblue57

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 23, 2023
  • #173
A midfield of Allen,Kelly,Eccles is going to create absolutely nothing sadly.
I can my see many teams worrying about them cutting through balls.
Sadly that's all we 've got.
Our only creativity is Palmer whose form has dropped off a cliff and Atari who I do by think is trusted as yet.
 

Ccfcisparks

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 23, 2023
  • #174
442.

Collins
Lati Thomas Kitching Bidwell
Saka Eccles Ayari Da Silva
Godden Wright
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 23, 2023
  • #175
Ccfcisparks said:
442.

Collins
Lati Thomas Kitching Bidwell
Saka Eccles Ayari Da Silva
Godden Wright
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Playing Ayari in a 2 man central midfield pairing is probably the maddest suggestion on this thread, and that's saying something!
 
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