Has the Sky Blue Trust (finally) disbanded? (2 Viewers)

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

For sure - sorry

Don’t apologise. You and Mark became more credible within 3 months than the trust have been for years

 

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[mark82]

They are the ones recognised by the FSF are they not?

Ah, I see what you mean. Any supporter group can register with FSF I believe.

 

[shmmeee]

Ah, I see what you mean. Any supporter group can register with FSF I believe.

Each club only has one supporters trust recognised by Supporters Direct (now Football Supporters Association). With the recognition comes support networks and doors opened around fan representation and ultimately ownership


The set up and point of them is generally to try and get some level of fan ownership after a financial crisis at the club. The sort we went through before Sisu came in (when I believe the Trust was originally set up), and the sort we went through when Seppala was threatening to wind the club up if her demands weren’t met (when it was resurrected).

As it did last time the club wasn’t in existential crisis, I’d expect it to wither on the vine until it’s back in existential crisis (hopefully never).

As for the rather sad trolling attempts, all I’ll say if more than one person is involved with the Trust and almost all have identical experiences dealing with the club.

I’ll also treat insults thrown around by people who have been too scared to get off the sidelines with all the respect they deserve.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Each club only has one supporters trust recognised by Supporters Direct (now Football Supporters Association). With the recognition comes support networks and doors opened around fan representation and ultimately ownership


The set up and point of them is generally to try and get some level of fan ownership after a financial crisis at the club. The sort we went through before Sisu came in (when I believe the Trust was originally set up), and the sort we went through when Seppala was threatening to wind the club up if her demands weren’t met (when it was resurrected).

As it did last time the club wasn’t in existential crisis, I’d expect it to wither on the vine until it’s back in existential crisis (hopefully never).

As for the rather sad trolling attempts, all I’ll say if more than one person is involved with the Trust and almost all have identical experiences dealing with the club.

I’ll also treat insults thrown around by people who have been too scared to get off the sidelines with all the respect they deserve.

It can become self perpetuating though. Never forget a person at my church who thought she was a prophet. She would say the most outrageous things and claim it was god. Proof would be in how much people didn’t like her. Mmmmm

 

[shmmeee]

It can become self perpetuating though. Never forget a person at my church who thought she was a prophet. She would say the most outrageous things and claim it was god. Proof would be in how much people didn’t like her. Mmmmm

It is on both sides. Each angry at a cartoon they made up in their head. Everyone needs to be able to move past. No one gets that worked up if they don’t love the club. Start from there.

 

[mark82]

Each club only has one supporters trust recognised by Supporters Direct (now Football Supporters Association). With the recognition comes support networks and doors opened around fan representation and ultimately ownership


The set up and point of them is generally to try and get some level of fan ownership after a financial crisis at the club. The sort we went through before Sisu came in (when I believe the Trust was originally set up), and the sort we went through when Seppala was threatening to wind the club up if her demands weren’t met (when it was resurrected).

As it did last time the club wasn’t in existential crisis, I’d expect it to wither on the vine until it’s back in existential crisis (hopefully never).

As for the rather sad trolling attempts, all I’ll say if more than one person is involved with the Trust and almost all have identical experiences dealing with the club.

I’ll also treat insults thrown around by people who have been too scared to get off the sidelines with all the respect they deserve.

Might have been how it was in the past when it was SD, but clubs can have more than one affiliate member of the FSA. As long as they have a democratic structure and constitution they can affiliate and all have the same standing. Many clubs have multiple affiliates. Can also have associate members which are non-democratic organisations. The CCFC London Supporters Club are an associate member. Theoretically we could register this community as an associate member.

 

[NorthernWisdom]

Sadly not mate, he's been involved for years now & chairman for a lot of it.
Whilst the likes of him & Lionel Bird are involved they'll never change & have burned their bridges with the club.

I wouldn't put Dave Eyles and Lionel Bird in the same brackets at all.

 

[Nick]

I thought they hired some people from job websites who had probably never even seen us play?

 

[chiefdave]

I thought they hired some people from job websites who had probably never even seen us play?

I remember trying to google the new appointments on the board and couldn't find any indication that they posted about CCFC on social media or anything like that. Obviously not conclusive but you'd expect people who are bothered enough about the club to join the board of the trust to have some kind of digital footprint relating to the team they support.

 

[NorthernWisdom]

I remember trying to google the new appointments on the board and couldn't find any indication that they posted about CCFC on social media or anything like that. Obviously not conclusive but you'd expect people who are bothered enough about the club to join the board of the trust to have some kind of digital footprint relating to the team they support.

tbf, you'd only find me posting under unfunny pseudonyms.

 

[ovduk78]

tbf, you'd only find me posting under unfunny pseudonyms.

What's yours on here then NW?

 

[Fergusons_Beard]

What Pete didn’t see from the trust people was the lengths they went to shut down the debate and the dissenting voices.

Myself and Grendel have had massive attacks on our personal lives by these people because we disagreed, dared to push back and challenge them.

In my case going so far as finding out where I worked and trying to get me sacked-just for the crime of supporting my club.

Maybe if Pete and Mark knew about the things going on behind the scenes they’d be in a better place to make informed opinions on folks.


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[Nick]

What Pete didn’t see from the trust people was the lengths they went to shut down the debate and the dissenting voices.

Myself and Grendel have had massive attacks on our personal lives by these people because we disagreed, dared to push back and challenge them.

In my case going so far as finding out where I worked and trying to get me sacked-just for the crime of supporting my club.

Maybe if Pete and Mark knew about the things going on behind the scenes they’d be in a better place to make informed opinions on folks.


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Yep, that shouldn't be forgotten either.

Add me into your list

 

[Liquid Gold]

Kalns tried a very minor doxxing on me too

 

[Frostie]

I wouldn't put Dave Eyles and Lionel Bird in the same brackets at all.

No, that's fair comment but as Chairman he's choosing to surround himself with the likes of Bird. Bird was co-opted rather than elected too so his opinions are obviously valued.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

What Pete didn’t see from the trust people was the lengths they went to shut down the debate and the dissenting voices.

Myself and Grendel have had massive attacks on our personal lives by these people because we disagreed, dared to push back and challenge them.

In my case going so far as finding out where I worked and trying to get me sacked-just for the crime of supporting my club.

Maybe if Pete and Mark knew about the things going on behind the scenes they’d be in a better place to make informed opinions on folks.


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Makes me sad. I’m sorry both

 

[Frostie]

I remember trying to google the new appointments on the board and couldn't find any indication that they posted about CCFC on social media or anything like that. Obviously not conclusive but you'd expect people who are bothered enough about the club to join the board of the trust to have some kind of digital footprint relating to the team they support.

Grace McKenna seems to have tweeted occasionally about us over the past year but never before.

Geoffrey Gulzar is a Leicester fan...

 

[chiefdave]

Kalns tried a very minor doxxing on me too

I'd forgotten about that. I got a 'we know you are chiefdave' message from an anonymous CCFC account on Facebook. Not like I exactly hide it so wouldn't have taken much working out.

 

[Liquid Gold]

I'd forgotten about that. I got a 'we know you are chiefdave' message from an anonymous CCFC account on Facebook. Not like I exactly hide it so wouldn't have taken much working out.

He tried to put my details on an account on twitter that he had locked so only about 25 follows could see it.

I wouldn't have been aware of it if Grendel hadn't warned me.

 

[Nick]

It's naive to think they aren't involved still, the same as Roger Ellis.

Just different names on the board, still the same people pulling the strings.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Don’t know whether I should consider myself lucky or unlucky that I’ve not been attacked on social media or in person

 

[Grendel]

It's naive to think they aren't involved still, the same as Roger Ellis.

Just different names on the board, still the same people pulling the strings.

Classic was that whataboutery from CJ when asked if Ellis was the guy from Rochdale

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Classic was that whataboutery from CJ when asked if Ellis was the guy from Rochdale

CJ good bloke too

 

[Nick]

Classic was that whataboutery from CJ when asked if Ellis was the guy from Rochdale

Yeah, he knew full well. Same with all the troll accounts.

Lost count how many times it was pointed out to him.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Yeah, he knew full well. Same with all the troll accounts.

Lost count how many times it was pointed out to him.

But if your group tells you you need to think a certain way it takes balls to disagree with everyone else. Ask me about Burge and Grendel about everything else lol

 

[Nick]

But if your group tells you you need to think a certain way it takes balls to disagree with everyone else. Ask me about Burge and Grendel about everything else lol

Which is exactly the point. No interest in listening to anything apart from the likes of Roger Ellis and David Johnson.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Which is exactly the point. No interest in listening to anything apart from the likes of Roger Ellis and David Johnson.

Yeah

 

[usskyblue]

Self serving core of shandy top drinkers with no interest in engaging a wide range of opinions outside of their own.

How are we getting on with the online membership and voting suggestion we made years ago?

 

[MusicDating]

It's naive to think they aren't involved still, the same as Roger Ellis.

Just different names on the board, still the same people pulling the strings.

Roger Ellis is on the FSA National Council representing the Trust - Board and National Council - Football Supporters' Association

 

[Nick]

Roger Ellis is on the FSA National Council representing the Trust - Board and National Council - Football Supporters' Association

Exactly, yet when you ask people like CJ who were on the board at the time they couldn't answer.

 

[Liquid Gold]

Exactly, yet when you ask people like CJ who were on the board at the time they couldn't answer.

"But CJ is alright"

Complicit as the rest of them.

 

[Frostie]

Roger Ellis is on the FSA National Council representing the Trust - Board and National Council - Football Supporters' Association

I wrote to the FSA about that asking why he's still listed as being affiliated with the Sky Blue Trust when the Trust claim he has nothing to do with them anymore.

FSA's response was:

 

[Liquid Gold]

I emailed them asking if someone has to be on the board of an individual club's trust to be on the FSA board and they replied to me with a massive email about how the sky blue trust is officially recognised. I didn't even mention the club.

 

[mark82]

What Pete didn’t see from the trust people was the lengths they went to shut down the debate and the dissenting voices.

Myself and Grendel have had massive attacks on our personal lives by these people because we disagreed, dared to push back and challenge them.

In my case going so far as finding out where I worked and trying to get me sacked-just for the crime of supporting my club.

Maybe if Pete and Mark knew about the things going on behind the scenes they’d be in a better place to make informed opinions on folks.


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I've been on the end of Kalns in the past too, maybe not to the level of others. The guy is toxic but he's gone from the Trust now.

 

[Nick]

I've been on the end of Kalns in the past too.

Nah think that's the wrong thread mate