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Deity

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  • Jun 11, 2023
  • #176
Grendel said:
This is just made up. No one has offered him £40k and if they did he’s gone
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Assuming they agree a fee with Coventry then you are correct.
 

Grendel

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  • Jun 11, 2023
  • #177
Deity said:
Assuming they agree a fee with Coventry then you are correct.
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And if they don’t he just hangs around for a year and negotiates his own deal
 

slowpoke

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  • Jun 11, 2023
  • #178
Grendel said:
And if they don’t he just hangs around for a year and negotiates his own deal
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If that is his intension or Viks doubt we can do anything about it like Youri Tielemans at Leicester and Brereton Diaz at Blackburn, bit risky for them I suppose but they will probably know where they are going, I doubt it, but you never know.
All we can do is play them.
 
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CCFC54321

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  • Jun 11, 2023
  • #179
shepardo01 said:
We have got it though CVD!.... Tyler Walkers wages for example... add that to Gus's current wages, we are probably over the rumoured "20k".
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Waghorn was on £10k a week and Walker about the same.
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Jun 11, 2023
  • #180
To be fair if any of the other crop come up to us and demand a pay rise all we have to say is “alright - if you can find the club that’s willing to pay you this, we’ll let you go.”

other than O’Hare there isn’t a single player other than Gyokeres and Hamer that’s won us games single handedly
 
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Blind-Faith

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  • Jun 11, 2023
  • #181
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
To be fair if any of the other crop come up to us and demand a pay rise all we have to say is “alright - if you can find the club that’s willing to pay you this, we’ll let you go.”

other than O’Hare there isn’t a single player other than Gyokeres and Hamer that’s won us games single handedly
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Couldnt of put it better myself
 

Fergusons_Beard

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  • Jun 11, 2023
  • #182
Matt smith said:
That’s the point though? 100 quid a year increase, 150 actually as got prem package, for what?

to not keep on of the best players in the championship for absolute peanuts.
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It’s the irony that kills you tho…


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robbiekeane

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  • Jun 12, 2023
  • #183
GIMOC said:
How isn’t it affordable? we made money from the playoff run.that would cover his wages.
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I thought we are losing £5m a year at the moment?
 

robbiekeane

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  • Jun 12, 2023
  • #184
TomRad85 said:
I'm amazed you and NW are dying on this hill tbh, being able to keep hold of a player of that talent for a reported 20k a week is relative peanuts, we could flog him straight after he signed it if we really wanted to.
We have the third lowest wage bill in the league don't we? This club deserves better.

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Where’s the money coming from?

Honestly. Noones saying he’s not good enough noones saying that he’s not worth that money. Noones saying we don’t want him to stay.

But to try and pretend it’s a no brainer or not a significant amount of money that sets a dangerous precedent is juvenile. We are not children playing football manager.

Can you not remember league two ffs
 
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robbiekeane

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  • Jun 12, 2023
  • #185
Matt smith said:
That’s the point though? 100 quid a year increase, 150 actually as got prem package, for what?

to not keep on of the best players in the championship for absolute peanuts.
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WE ARE LOSING MONEY
 
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slowpoke

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  • Jun 12, 2023
  • #186
Matt smith said:
That’s the point though? 100 quid a year increase, 150 actually as got prem package, for what?

to not keep on of the best players in the championship for absolute peanuts.
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Who has left then ? Must have missed something.
 
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Deity

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  • Jun 12, 2023
  • #187
robbiekeane said:
WE ARE LOSING MONEY
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So does almost every club in the championship, and on average to a much higher degree than we do. That is why player sales are so important.

I don’t think it’s possible to determine your playing budget based on breaking even from non player sales revenues. You would be relegated most seasons.
 
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slowpoke

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  • Jun 12, 2023
  • #188
Grendel said:
And if they don’t he just hangs around for a year and negotiates his own deal
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If that’s his intension nothing much we can do about it and he probably knows where he’s going.
 

TomRad85

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  • Jun 12, 2023
  • #189
robbiekeane said:
Where’s the money coming from?

Honestly. Noones saying he’s not good enough noones saying that he’s not worth that money. Noones saying we don’t want him to stay.

But to try and pretend it’s a no brainer or not a significant amount of money that sets a dangerous precedent is juvenile. We are not children playing football manager.

Can you not remember league two ffs
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We have the third lowest wage bill in the league ffs. If our owner is claiming to have ambition you think maybe we could expect a bit better than that?

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shmmeee

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  • Jun 12, 2023
  • #190
robbiekeane said:
That’s such a dangerous attitude for me. Paying players crazy wages is what got us in the shit in the first place

people have short memories
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In what way is paying £20k/wk in the Championship for a players third contract when he’s one of the best in the league and worth millions “crazy wages”?
 
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TomRad85

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  • Jun 12, 2023
  • #191
shmmeee said:
In what way is paying £20k/wk in the Championship for a players third contract when he’s one of the best in the league and worth millions “crazy wages”?
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Its not but it seems some of our fans are emotionally scarred from the SISU years and scared to actually want to be better.

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TomRad85

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  • Jun 12, 2023
  • #192
Anyway if Doug won't dig out a new contract for Hamer would someone mind dropping fat Mike an email to see if he's interested in a football club?

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Perryccfc

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  • Jun 12, 2023
  • #193
TomRad85 said:
We have the third lowest wage bill in the league ffs. If our owner is claiming to have ambition you think maybe we could expect a bit better than that?

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Have to agree with this take, although I see both sides of the argument. If Doug is expecting Play Offs in 3 of the next 5 years then to expect that on a bottom 3 wage structure would be delusional. MR has worked absolute wonders with this club, but eventually the branch will break if not properly supported.
If DK is genuine in his claims, then paying for Hamer should be top of his priorities.
 
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robbiekeane

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  • Jun 12, 2023
  • #194
shmmeee said:
In what way is paying £20k/wk in the Championship for a players third contract when he’s one of the best in the league and worth millions “crazy wages”?
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Would that not comfortably be our highest wage paid to a player ever? 5 years ago that would probably be half of our wage bill

I’m not even saying don’t do it, but this attitude of “just pay him what he’s worth” and “if we can’t do that then shows a lot about our ambition” when that’s never been our approach and not should it be
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Jun 12, 2023
  • #195
shmmeee said:
In what way is paying £20k/wk in the Championship for a players third contract when he’s one of the best in the league and worth millions “crazy wages”?
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It’s probably going rate in the championship. It’s denial. Doug is no better than SISU. He’s just better at PR
 
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robbiekeane

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  • Jun 12, 2023
  • #196
TomRad85 said:
Its not but it seems some of our fans are emotionally scarred from the SISU years and scared to actually want to be better.

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This is hilarious. We literally just got to a playoff final without paying more than £15k a week probably.

Now all of a sudden anyone who wants to take a breath before announcing that we need to pay Hamer whatever he wants otherwise we’ll never get anywhere and DK has no ambition, is “scared to actually want to be better”

fuck off
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Jun 12, 2023
  • #197
robbiekeane said:
Would that not comfortably be our highest wage paid to a player ever? 5 years ago that would probably be half of our wage bill

I’m not even saying don’t do it, but this attitude of “just pay him what he’s worth” and “if we can’t do that then shows a lot about our ambition” when that’s never been our approach and not should it be
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I’d hazard a guess that all teams in the top 6 next season will have at least one player on 20k a week. Doug talks about play offs regularly - he needs to start competing with the Middlesbrough’s, West Brom’s and Sunderland’s.
 
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TomRad85

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  • Jun 12, 2023
  • #198
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
It’s probably going rate in the championship. It’s denial. Doug is no better than SISU. He’s just better at PR
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Remains to be seen tbf to Doug, but this window will tell us all we need to know about him.

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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Jun 12, 2023
  • #199
robbiekeane said:
This is hilarious. We literally just got to a playoff final without paying more than £15k a week probably.

Now all of a sudden anyone who wants to take a breath before announcing that we need to pay Hamer whatever he wants otherwise we’ll never get anywhere and DK has no ambition, is “scared to actually want to be better”

fuck off
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I said this the other day - The play off final between us and Luton isn’t a common thing. Generally money will talk and the higher paying teams will be there or there abouts
 
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Yorkshire SB

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  • Jun 12, 2023
  • #200
We have to be careful here.

As some are saying, if we blow the wage structure on Hamer then it will cost us more than the extra £10k a week. Existing player contract discussions, and new players negotiations with agents.

Hamer is worth it, no doubt - but what are the knock-on effects? If we could give this to Hamer and there were no consequences then it's a no brainer, but that appears unlikely.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jun 12, 2023
  • #201
robbiekeane said:
Would that not comfortably be our highest wage paid to a player ever? 5 years ago that would probably be half of our wage bill

I’m not even saying don’t do it, but this attitude of “just pay him what he’s worth” and “if we can’t do that then shows a lot about our ambition” when that’s never been our approach and not should it be
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Five years ago we were in L1/2. There’s been massive inflation in player wages. But the fact is he’s worth it. He’s a known quantity, with clear talent, who we can sell for our money back at any point. How many of them have we had post relegation?
 
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TomRad85

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  • Jun 12, 2023
  • #202
robbiekeane said:
This is hilarious. We literally just got to a playoff final without paying more than £15k a week probably.

Now all of a sudden anyone who wants to take a breath before announcing that we need to pay Hamer whatever he wants otherwise we’ll never get anywhere and DK has no ambition, is “scared to actually want to be better”

fuck off
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Have a day off. 5th highest attendances, 3rd lowest budget... its a joke and the club deserves better.

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robbiekeane

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  • Jun 12, 2023
  • #203
TomRad85 said:
Have a day off. 5th highest attendances, 3rd lowest budget... its a joke and the club deserves better.

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How does our p&l compare to those other clubs?
It’s great to just stick your fingers in your ears and shout “the club deserves better” but unfortunately over here in the real world you need money to make the world go around
 

shmmeee

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  • Jun 12, 2023
  • #204
robbiekeane said:
How does our p&l compare to those other clubs?
It’s great to just stick your fingers in your ears and shout “the club deserves better” but unfortunately over here in the real world you need money to make the world go around
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How many clubs make a profit at this level without parachute payments?
 
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cooperskyblue

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  • Jun 12, 2023
  • #205
TomRad85 said:
Have a day off. 5th highest attendances, 3rd lowest budget... its a joke and the club deserves better.

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But whose saying we are gonna have the 3rd lowest budget this season?

We have in recent seasons. King has said judge him on this window. And that's what I'll do... in its entirety and not on rumours.

Selling Vik and even Hamer could then allow us to sustainably increase our budget.
 

robbiekeane

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  • Jun 12, 2023
  • #206
shmmeee said:
Five years ago we were in L1/2. There’s been massive inflation in player wages. But the fact is he’s worth it. He’s a known quantity, with clear talent, who we can sell for our money back at any point. How many of them have we had post relegation?
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So it would be our highest ever wage or not? didn’t say he’s not worth it. Still can’t forget perspective though

What’s sheaf on? 10k a week? Id prefer 3 Ben sheafs in a squad screaming for depth
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Jun 12, 2023
  • #207
robbiekeane said:
How does our p&l compare to those other clubs?
It’s great to just stick your fingers in your ears and shout “the club deserves better” but unfortunately over here in the real world you need money to make the world go around
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Which is fine - but if you’re going to make statements about competing with these clubs regularly - you got to back it properly
 
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  • Jun 12, 2023
  • #208
TomRad85 said:
Its not but it seems some of our fans are emotionally scarred from the SISU years and scared to actually want to be better.

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I prefer to be better by spending cash on the foundations first, to produce multiple Hamers in the future, rather than the spunk and gamble approach.

Now if the owner has the cash to buy a couple more Hamers right now the spread the risk and improve the team then fantastic, bring it on. One Hamer alone doth not a team make.

Quite simple.

Anyway, this is all getting incredibly tedious and circular, so let's hope he either signs a new contract or sods off sharpish!
 
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robbiekeane

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  • Jun 12, 2023
  • #209
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
Which is fine - but if you’re going to make statements about competing with these clubs regularly - you got to back it properly
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We’ve competed the last two seasons.

I want us to be backed as much as the next guy but honestly I’d prefer this money and his transfer fee to be spread out across multiple promising talents.

The fact is we need to forget the sentimentality and ego and sell him for as much as possible and get 3 or 4 players in the door.

Lack of depth was what stopped us getting promoted this year, let’s crack on
 

Matt smith

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  • Jun 12, 2023
  • #210
TomRad85 said:
Anyway if Doug won't dig out a new contract for Hamer would someone mind dropping fat Mike an email to see if he's interested in a football club?

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