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Matt smith

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  • Jul 12, 2023
  • #2,171
Speedie's Head said:
Gus plus Vik would almost be a parachute payment
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It’s whether we spend it.

if we get 35 for vik and Gus combined that’s great business but 15/17 million should be spent
 

Martin180

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  • Jul 12, 2023
  • #2,172
Pusb1 said:
Matt Smith's daily breakdown
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Matt smith

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  • Jul 12, 2023
  • #2,173
Martin180 said:
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Didn’t expect anything less from you, wanker
 

Martin180

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  • Jul 12, 2023
  • #2,174
Matt smith said:
Didn’t expect anything less from you, wanker
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Cheer up mate , only joshing
 
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mmttww

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  • Jul 12, 2023
  • #2,175


Overused, but definitely the vibe on this thread!
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jul 12, 2023
  • #2,176
Matt smith said:
It’s whether we spend it.

if we get 35 for vik and Gus combined that’s great business but 15/17 million should be spent
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Do wonder if there’s a ceiling on how much damage we can do in one window though. Although maybe that’s been done already with the clear out and it’s just upping our targets.

Would hate to see Gus go, but if it opened up another £7.5m or so to spend across the squad I could be convinced. Only if he doesn’t want to stay though.

Something like:

GK (£2m)/Wilson/Tyler
McNally (£3m)/Latibeaudiere
Fadz/CB (£2m)
Kitching (£1m)/Humphries
Sakamoto/BNC (L)/Burroughs
DaSilva/Bidwell
CM (£2m)/CM (£1m)/Howley
Sheaf/Eccles/Kelly
AM (L)/O’Hare/Palmer/Allen
ST (£2m)/ST(L)/Simms/Godden

Thats £13m with the rest of the Vik money and Gus money. Make the right signings and that’s comfortably a better squad than last season. 28 including 3 kids, should be plenty deep enough for a sustained push.
 

Calista

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  • Jul 12, 2023
  • #2,177
shmmeee said:
Do wonder if there’s a ceiling on how much damage we can do in one window though.
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You mean at Ryton?
 
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David O'Day

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  • Jul 12, 2023
  • #2,178
Lads, if you read the teamtalk site they post stuff for click bait, we'll see what happens but don't stress over fucking teamtalk
 
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Matt smith

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  • Jul 12, 2023
  • #2,179
shmmeee said:
Do wonder if there’s a ceiling on how much damage we can do in one window though. Although maybe that’s been done already with the clear out and it’s just upping our targets.

Would hate to see Gus go, but if it opened up another £7.5m or so to spend across the squad I could be convinced. Only if he doesn’t want to stay though.

Something like:

GK (£2m)/Wilson/Tyler
McNally (£3m)/Latibeaudiere
Fadz/CB (£2m)
Kitching (£1m)/Humphries
Sakamoto/BNC (L)/Burroughs
DaSilva/Bidwell
CM (£2m)/CM (£1m)/Howley
Sheaf/Eccles/Kelly
AM (L)/O’Hare/Palmer/Allen
ST (£2m)/ST(L)/Simms/Godden

Thats £13m with the rest of the Vik money and Gus money. Make the right signings and that’s comfortably a better squad than last season. 28 including 3 kids, should be plenty deep enough for a sustained push.
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Oh I agree hold some back for January if we can get say:

McNally 2/3
RWB - Joel on a free
RWB 2 - loan
Another CB - permanent freebie
Another CB - permanent fee (1/2)
LCB loan say a Humphreys
ST - a gem from Europe/league one level - 2 million
ST - Prem loan

My arguement was if Gus goes, if we just say 15 another 5 should be invested on top of what I’ve said
 

slowpoke

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 12, 2023
  • #2,180
What ever is happening re. Gus MR will know and will have known for a while. My take is if he was definitely off he wouldn’t be in Portugal with the team, why would he be ?
Doesn’t stop interest or bids but we are in the driving seat price wise and as we have seen with the Gorkeres transfer Doug King can play a tough game in negotiations.
 

David O'Day

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  • Jul 12, 2023
  • #2,181
If we did sell Gus for 16 million with that what is left of teh vik cash we could build a team that is much better than last year without actually having a player as good as gus
 
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Flying Fokker

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  • Jul 12, 2023
  • #2,182
He’s still with us. Until something else happens, I’m happy with that.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jul 12, 2023
  • #2,183
Matt smith said:
Oh I agree hold some back for January if we can get say:

McNally 2/3
RWB - Joel on a free
RWB 2 - loan
Another CB - permanent freebie
Another CB - permanent fee (1/2)
LCB loan say a Humphreys
ST - a gem from Europe/league one level - 2 million
ST - Prem loan

My arguement was if Gus goes, if we just say 15 another 5 should be invested on top of what I’ve said
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I’m hoping we’ll see about half the Vik fee spent, so the same again from Gus would be good.
 
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SBAndy

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  • Jul 12, 2023
  • #2,184
Saddlebrains said:
Nottingham Forest NFFC no?

If so, Lewis O'Brien Sam Surridge and 8 million ta
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You have my attention.

Certainly wouldn’t be averse to O’Brien plus cash. Can’t see it though.
 
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Matt smith

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  • Jul 12, 2023
  • #2,185
shmmeee said:
I’m hoping we’ll see about half the Vik fee spent, so the same again from Gus would be good.
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50% of sales is reasonable to expect
 
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Speedie's Head

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  • Jul 12, 2023
  • #2,186
I'd want to see every last penny of it reinvested in the team in one way or another
 
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Matt smith

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  • Jul 12, 2023
  • #2,187
Speedie's Head said:
I'd want to see every last penny of it reinvested in the team in one way or another
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It won’t be

anything less than half and it’s a bit of a piss take

18.5 STH
PO money
 
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Speedie's Head

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  • Jul 12, 2023
  • #2,188
Matt smith said:
It won’t be

anything less than half and it’s a bit of a piss take

18.5 STH
PO money
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Let's see but let's not make it easy for him by saying the fans only expect 50%
 

Matt smith

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  • Jul 12, 2023
  • #2,189
Speedie's Head said:
Let's see but let's not make it easy for him by saying the fans only expect 50%
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Oh, that’s what I expect and would accept just about
 

shmmeee

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  • Jul 12, 2023
  • #2,190
Let’s say £35m all in so the sake of the maths. That’s £17.5m to go on wages over the next say three years. £5m/season and change basically. And £17.5m in signings is going to want decent wages.
 
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theferret

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  • Jul 12, 2023
  • #2,191
We lose both Vic and Gus in this window, we're in a bit of bother. It leaves a huge hole, it shouldn't be underestimated just how good they are.

When I say bother, I'm not suggesting we'd be in any trouble next season, but I couldn't see us pushing on from last term. It would require a comprehensive rebuild, and some of the signings will flop, it is inevitable. We have the right people in charge of course, but you feel the rebuild might take a couple of years to bear fruit.

We have to do what it takes to keep him for another season imo. 20K per week would only be an annual uplift of 500K or so. Surely we pay that rather than pay £2-3 million + wages for a replacement unlikely to be anywhere near his level (if of course he'd be willing to stay for that sort of money).
 
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pusbccfc

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  • Jul 12, 2023
  • #2,192
Like with Vik and the fee we got for him, £16m is too much to turn down.

People won't like it, but longer term we are in a brilliant position with those pounds. A season in mid-table and time to spend the money properly over the next 2 years isn't a bad option as long as we secure our status at this level. Making £30m+ of profit on two previously unknown players is incredible.
 
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David O'Day

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  • Jul 12, 2023
  • #2,193
pusbccfc said:
Like with Vik and the fee we got for him, £16m is too much to turn down.

People won't like it, but longer term we are in a brilliant position with those pounds. A season in mid-table and time to spend the money properly over the next 2 years isn't a bad option as long as we secure our status at this level. Making £30m+ of profit on two previously unknown players is incredible.
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Exactly, the money we could spend on improving the whole team if spent wisely would be we could challenge for years
 
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theferret

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  • Jul 12, 2023
  • #2,194
pusbccfc said:
Like with Vik and the fee we got for him, £16m is too much to turn down.

People won't like it, but longer term we are in a brilliant position with those pounds. A season in mid-table and time to spend the money properly over the next 2 years isn't a bad option as long as we secure our status at this level. Making £30m+ of profit on two previously unknown players is incredible.
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People are getting a bit giddy over the money and what we might do with it. There's no guarantee we spend it well.

Pay him what he wants, get him on a new deal and let's have a real go next season and build on the momentum. His value is highly unlikely to go down, we can always revisit this next season if circumstances dictate. Losing both of them now would require huge adjustment.
 
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Matt smith

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  • Jul 12, 2023
  • #2,195
theferret said:
People are getting a bit giddy over the money and what we might do with it. There's no guarantee we spend it well.

Pay him what he wants, get him on a new deal and let's have a real go next season and build on the momentum. His value is highly unlikely to go down, we can always revisit this next season if circumstances dictate. Losing both of them now would require huge adjustment.
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Exactly, people underestimate how key he is to us and I disagree we’d be be a better team next year without him

it’s like yeah we’ll sell him and vik and we’ll be better

21 and 10 g and a
11 and 10 g and a

mid table consolidation unfortunately next year
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jul 12, 2023
  • #2,196
theferret said:
We lose both Vic and Gus in this window, we're in a bit of bother. It leaves a huge hole, it shouldn't be underestimated just how good they are.

When I say bother, I'm not suggesting we'd be in any trouble next season, but I couldn't see us pushing on from last term. It would require a comprehensive rebuild, and some of the signings will flop, it is inevitable. We have the right people in charge of course, but you feel the rebuild might take a couple of years to bear fruit.

We have to do what it takes to keep him for another season imo. 20K per week would only be an annual uplift of 500K or so. Surely we pay that rather than pay £2-3 million + wages for a replacement unlikely to be anywhere near his level (if of course he'd be willing to stay for that sort of money).
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TBH I’d go to £30k on a two year deal with a release clause at a set price if we aren’t promoted. It’s almost always cheaper to give your high performers a raise than hire in equal quality.
 
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Matt smith

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  • Jul 12, 2023
  • #2,197
shmmeee said:
TBH I’d go to £30k on a two year deal with a release clause at a set price if we aren’t promoted. It’s almost always cheaper to give your high performers a raise than hire in equal quality.
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No chance we’ll give 30
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jul 12, 2023
  • #2,198
Matt smith said:
No chance we’ll give 30
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Well no, but I don’t run the club. You’d be paying £20k/week and £4-5M to have any chance of replacing him and even then it’s a massive gamble.
 

Sky Blue Harry H

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  • Jul 12, 2023
  • #2,199
SBAndy said:
You have my attention.

Certainly wouldn’t be averse to O’Brien plus cash. Can’t see it though.
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O'Brien's wages would make it a non starter
 

Matt smith

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 12, 2023
  • #2,200
shmmeee said:
Well no, but I don’t run the club. You’d be paying £20k/week and £4-5M to have any chance of replacing him and even then it’s a massive gamble.
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Yeah, so why don’t they just offer him the contract, it’s really aggrevating

we won’t be spending 20k a week on a replacement
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jul 12, 2023
  • #2,201
shmmeee said:
TBH I’d go to £30k on a two year deal with a release clause at a set price if we aren’t promoted. It’s almost always cheaper to give your high performers a raise than hire in equal quality.
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Not about money I don’t think now
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jul 12, 2023
  • #2,202
Sky Blue Pete said:
Not about money I don’t think now
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?

Have we pissed him off??
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jul 12, 2023
  • #2,203
shmmeee said:
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Have we pissed him off??
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I’ve no idea I just think if he won’t sign a new contract we have to sell
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jul 12, 2023
  • #2,204
shmmeee said:
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Have we pissed him off??
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Cufflinks ?
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jul 12, 2023
  • #2,205
Sky Blue Pete said:
I’ve no idea I just think if he won’t sign a new contract we have to sell
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I agree. I just think it sounds like he’s got the opportunity to have a crack at the Prem and earn more than we can ever offer him. If that’s the case he’s gone
 
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