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Ccfcisparks

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  • Jul 30, 2023
  • #4,166
Grendel said:
First it depends if they have any interest in signing him
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It’s clear that not as many teams have an interest in signing him as first thought, especially not at the fee we are asking for
 

SleepyGinger

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  • Jul 30, 2023
  • #4,167
I imagine the scouting team already have a list of a
replacements from all across the continent, just going to be harder to prize them away with less than a week until the season.
 
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Happy_Martian

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  • Jul 30, 2023
  • #4,168
As frustrating as it is, we can't keep a player like Gus here if he isn't happy and his mind is in Holland. While half a Gus is better than some of the replacements we already have in the squad, I think we're going to have to bite the bullet and let him go for Feyenoord's best offer. Whether DK can get some extras tied in to eek the transfer value up to something bearable, only time will tell.
 
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David O'Day

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  • Jul 30, 2023
  • #4,169
Grendel said:
First it depends if they have any interest in signing him
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I can't see how they would, they have just spent 8 million euros on a player who is similar
 

Torquay Sky Blue

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  • Jul 30, 2023
  • #4,170
alexccfc99 said:
And Gyökeres constantly scored goals that he mostly created himself for two season straight - Gyökeres left a bad taste in some people’s mouth to the point where people want to slate him - Because of the way his departure panned out and the fact he was open to the press about his ambition to play at a higher level

For me he was and always will be the superior player but that’s just my opinion
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I think Hamer is a bigger loss but Vik would of scored 3 yesterday.
Both huge players in different ways
 

Jamesimus

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  • Jul 30, 2023
  • #4,171
SleepyGinger said:
Han-Noah Messengo is a free agent still, always looked decent for Bristol City.
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Whenever I've watched him play I've always thought he's looked decidedly average. I guess he is young and has time on his side though.

Also much more of a defensive midfielder. Think Bristol wildly overpaid for him personally.
 
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Happy_Martian

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  • Jul 30, 2023
  • #4,172
Torquay Sky Blue said:
I think Hamer is a bigger loss but Vik would of scored 3 yesterday.
Both huge players in different ways
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The gulf between Vik and our other strikers last season was vast. He could win you a game on his own when he was on form.

Hamer will always create chances but unless you have someone in the middle who can put those away, his effort gets lost.

So it depends on how we play this season and whether Simms and God can play together will be the decider on how successful our midfield will be and what they can provide. If Saka and (LWB whoever it is) are going to be attacking WB/Wingers dumping the ball into the middle, losing Hamer won't be as fatal as we think.
 

the rumpo kid

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  • Jul 30, 2023
  • #4,173
PUSB-We_are_going_up said:
Feyenoord sold their best player Kokcu for 25m and he plays in the same role as Gus so it seems like goer.
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Feyenoord released him didn't they when he was younger.
There's no way they would break they're transfer record for someone they let go for nothing. The humiliation alone would stop them doing that. If Feyenoord have any interest it will be on a free.
 

Otis

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  • Jul 30, 2023
  • #4,174
Happy_Martian said:
As frustrating as it is, we can't keep a player like Gus here if he isn't happy and his mind is in Holland. While half a Gus is better than some of the replacements we already have in the squad, I think we're going to have to bite the bullet and let him go for Feyenoord's best offer. Whether DK can get some extras tied in to eek the transfer value up to something bearable, only time will tell.
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Yeah, maybe a player swap or two on top of a fee might serve us well.
 
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Grendel

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  • Jul 30, 2023
  • #4,175
PUSB-We_are_going_up said:
Feyenoord sold their best player Kokcu for 25m and he plays in the same role as Gus so it seems like a goer to me
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They’ve signed 2 midfielders as replacements haven’t they?
 

David O'Day

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  • Jul 30, 2023
  • #4,176
Guys, has anyone checked with Feyenoord that they actually want him before we sell him to them?
 
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Samo

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  • Jul 30, 2023
  • #4,177
If he stays, great. If he goes we will have to trust MR to replace him, we may have to take potential rather the the finished article but there are players out there.
 

Terry_dactyl

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  • Jul 30, 2023
  • #4,178
SleepyGinger said:
Han-Noah Messengo is a free agent still, always looked decent for Bristol City.
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Is he a free agent?! Id love him here.
 

skyblueelephant76

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  • Jul 30, 2023
  • #4,179
the rumpo kid said:
Feyenoord released him didn't they when he was younger.
There's no way they would break they're transfer record for someone they let go for nothing. The humiliation alone would stop them doing that. If Feyenoord have any interest it will be on a free.
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I don't see what's humiliating about releasing a 20yr old player then buying him back 6 years later. Utd spent £90m on Pogba after losing him on a free.

If a club really wants a player and they think he will improve them they will pay for him.
 
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SBT

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  • Jul 30, 2023
  • #4,180
Otis said:
Yeah, maybe a player swap or two on top of a fee might serve us well.
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Maybe if Feyenoord buy Twine first and then deal him back to us?
 
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David O'Day

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  • Jul 30, 2023
  • #4,181
skyblueelephant76 said:
I don't see what's humiliating about releasing a 20yr old player then buying him back 6 years later. Utd spent £90m on Pogba after losing him on a free.

If a club really wants a player and they think he will improve them they will pay for him.
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do they want him?
 

Otis

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  • Jul 30, 2023
  • #4,182
David O'Day said:
Guys, has anyone checked with Feyenoord that they actually want him before we sell him to them?
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Why would we do that when we can just sit here and type all sorts of speculation..
 

Nuskyblue

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  • Jul 30, 2023
  • #4,183
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I think his point is that something now, even if not £10-15 million, is better than nothing later.
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Yep. But a low ball offer of £3 mil feels like it's not enough to get anywhere near a like for like replacement, you'd take the risk of him leaving on a free in an effort to get to the prem at that price.
 

David O'Day

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  • Jul 30, 2023
  • #4,184
Otis said:
Why would we do that when we can just sit here and type all sorts of speculation..
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its just that they have invested heavily in an international midfielder who looks likely to play where gus would
 
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Otis

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  • Jul 30, 2023
  • #4,185
Bloody hell, all this Netherlands talk has even got our Nigel going all Dutch on us.

 
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Blind-Faith

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  • Jul 30, 2023
  • #4,186
Otis said:
Can I just put it out there, I know nothing and know no-one.
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God dam, we were all counting on you!
 

Si80

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  • Jul 30, 2023
  • #4,187
Grendel said:
They’ve signed 2 midfielders as replacements haven’t they?
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They have. Another thing that keeps being missed in this thread. They don’t even need him.
 

Otis

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  • Jul 30, 2023
  • #4,188
Si80 said:
They have. Another thing that keeps being missed in this thread. They don’t even need him
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What the hell does that have to do with it?
 

David O'Day

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  • Jul 30, 2023
  • #4,189
Si80 said:
They have. Another thing that keeps being missed in this thread. They don’t even need him.
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Kokcu isn't similar to Hamer anyway, Kokcu is more of a 10
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Jul 30, 2023
  • #4,190
Grendel said:
First it depends if they have any interest in signing him
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I did say 'like Feyenoord'. I was thinking more just Dutch teams in general, if what he wants is to be nearer his son.
 

AFCCOVENTRY

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  • Jul 30, 2023
  • #4,191
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
I did say 'like Feyenoord'. I was thinking more just Dutch teams in general, if what he wants is to be nearer his son.
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It’s becoming clearer it’s about money not family stuff. Our wage structure can’t get anywhere near what he wants. Other Champ clubs let alone Premiership offering double what we can.

King will do the right thing just like with Vik and drive a hard deal with any clubs. Sell Hamer now and reinvest in his position this August and then a healthy amount left over in the kitty for Robins to use next summer. We won’t need to sell anyone in that case unless they want to leave.
 
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skyblue_55

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  • Jul 30, 2023
  • #4,192
Does anyone actually know how low ccfc weekly wage offer was , to keep our best player & try & get us to the promised land ?
 
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play_in_skyblue_stripes

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  • Jul 30, 2023
  • #4,193
Jamesimus said:
Whenever I've watched him play I've always thought he's looked decidedly average. I guess he is young and has time on his side though.

Also much more of a defensive midfielder. Think Bristol wildly overpaid for him personally.
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Ive seen twice at Coventry playing Bristol City away and in my view very talented.
 

TomRad85

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  • Jul 30, 2023
  • #4,194
If he legit will only go to Holland we have to accept the highest Dutch bid. If its only 6 mil or something then so be it, the current ownership will likely give Robins all of that, which is good funds for us.

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COVKIDSNEVERQUIT

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  • Jul 30, 2023
  • #4,195
Skyblueweeman said:
I've been told before that it is about the money. To be fair, that waa earlier in his Cov career so things might have changed.
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You could be right Weeman, I think it's obvious Gus is NOT going to sign the contract, if he stays in England it's about money, if he goes back to Holland it's about his family. Time will tell.
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Jul 30, 2023
  • #4,196
AFCCOVENTRY said:
It’s becoming clearer it’s about money not family stuff. Our wage structure can’t get anywhere near what he wants. Other Champ clubs let alone Premiership offering double what we can.

King will do the right thing just like with Vik and drive a hard deal with any clubs. Sell Hamer now and reinvest in his position this August and then a healthy amount left over in the kitty for Robins to use next summer. We won’t need to sell anyone in that case unless they want to leave.
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How is it becoming clearer? I am sure the vast majority of people on here are like me and haven't got a clue what the true position is.
 
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Bad Boy

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  • Jul 30, 2023
  • #4,197
Tired of this protracted saga.
 
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Kingokings204

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  • Jul 30, 2023
  • #4,198
TomRad85 said:
If he legit will only go to Holland we have to accept the highest Dutch bid. If its only 6 mil or something then so be it, the current ownership will likely give Robins all of that, which is good funds for us.

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so we accept 50% less than his real value. Utter madness
 

COVKIDSNEVERQUIT

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  • Jul 30, 2023
  • #4,199
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
If he does want to leave it seems like it's likely for one of two reasons.

1) He wants to play at a higher level and increase his earnings even more

That's fine. Teams at that level can afford the price we'll want for him and his wages.

2) It is domestic and he wants to move to Holland to be with his kids.

This is more problematic as it's unlikely Dutch clubs could afford those kinds of fees. So DK will have to get creative with the deal. Longer repayment terms is likely one. Having a huge sell-on clause (say 50% is another). A buy-back clause if his situation changes. Being given first dibs on some of their better talents and/or loans for any wonderkids etc.

It wouldn't be ideal but it would increase the value of the transfer from our side and allow Gus the move he wants.
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Not a bad idea, do you fancy being a negotiator for Doug King, if so give Doug a call.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jul 30, 2023
  • #4,200
Love Hamer as a player but will be pretty annoyed if he's just led us up the garden path all summer

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