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Saddlebrains

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  • Jul 26, 2023
  • #3,606
Warwickhunt said:
Who in your opinion should city try to sign to replace Hamer that has the same ability and not cost more than 15million for arguments sake?
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Lewis O'Brien from Forest
 

Samo

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  • Jul 26, 2023
  • #3,607
Warwickhunt said:
Who in your opinion should city try to sign to replace Hamer that has the same ability and not cost more than 15million for arguments sake?
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Someone we've never heard of I should think.
 

COVKIDSNEVERQUIT

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  • Jul 26, 2023
  • #3,608
Warwickhunt said:
Who in your opinion should city try to sign to replace Hamer that has the same ability and not cost more than 15million for arguments sake?
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If you want someone as good or better than Hamer your going to have to send more than 15m.
 

the rumpo kid

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  • Jul 26, 2023
  • #3,609
People saying there's interest in gus , but has there been any actual offers ?
 
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skyblueinswansea

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  • Jul 26, 2023
  • #3,610
Silsden said:
Wait, Simms is an ITK??
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Just throwing a theory out there. Robins said he hasn’t done much training so far, is that because he’s been busy setting up an alias on twitter with a Japanese flag and a fascination for Dutch men?
 
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Samo

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  • Jul 26, 2023
  • #3,611
COVKIDSNEVERQUIT said:
If you want someone as good or better than Hamer your going to have to send more than 15m.
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That's an odd assertion considering we picked the actual Hamer up for 1m
 
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COVKIDSNEVERQUIT

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  • Jul 26, 2023
  • #3,612
Samo said:
That's an odd assertion considering we picked the actual Hamer up for 1m
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We could argue Hamer is a better player now than when we signed him.
 

rob9872

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  • Jul 26, 2023
  • #3,613
Samo said:
That's an odd assertion considering we picked the actual Hamer up for 1m
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We're not in that market though now and need an improvement. The £m we paid for Gus, not only has the market shifted but also the Hamer now is a far more accomplished player than the raw talent, we signed a few years back.
 
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rob9872

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  • Jul 26, 2023
  • #3,614
COVKIDSNEVERQUIT said:
We could argue Hamer is a better player now than when we signed him.
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Beat me to it
 
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Samo

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  • Jul 26, 2023
  • #3,615
COVKIDSNEVERQUIT said:
We could argue Hamer is a better player now than when we signed him.
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Well I'd take another as good as he was when we signed him every day of the week
 

rob9872

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  • Jul 26, 2023
  • #3,616
Samo said:
Well I'd take another as good as he was when we signed him every day of the week
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But at that end for every Hamer is a Kastaneer, Jobello or Hillsner.
 
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Samo

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  • Jul 26, 2023
  • #3,617
rob9872 said:
But at that end for every Hamer is a Kastaneer, Jobello or Hillsner.
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Ok lets not sign any more potential Hamers just in case then
 
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COVKIDSNEVERQUIT

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  • Jul 26, 2023
  • #3,618
Samo said:
Well I'd take another as good as he was when we signed him every day of the week
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Yeah ok, but not easy to find.
 
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SBT

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  • Jul 26, 2023
  • #3,619
rob9872 said:
But at that end for every Hamer is a Kastaneer, Jobello or Hillsner.
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What’s your point? That’s the kind of hit rate that most scouts would absolutely dream of.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jul 26, 2023
  • #3,620
Macca1987 said:
Just watched the MK Dons highlights, Is it just me, or is Hamer messing with my head. He looks so happy, playing little jokes, smiling all the time. I know that's his nature, but if you were leaving would you still be the same
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You might be reading into things just a little bit.
 
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SeaSeeEffCee

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  • Jul 26, 2023
  • #3,621
Weird how GIMOC came on here to brag about Latibeaudiere but hasn’t said anything about the contract that Hamer supposedly signed a month ago…
 

Balli001

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  • Jul 26, 2023
  • #3,622
SeaSeeEffCee said:
Weird how GIMOC came on here to brag about Latibeaudiere but hasn’t said anything about the contract that Hamer supposedly signed a month ago…
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Almost like a cry for attention isnt it?....
 

shmmeee

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  • Jul 26, 2023
  • #3,623
rob9872 said:
But at that end for every Hamer is a Kastaneer, Jobello or Hillsner.
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Nah. For every Hamer there’s a Vik, Sheaf or Walker. Not quite the same hit ratio.
 

Bennettbarnet

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  • Jul 26, 2023
  • #3,624
rob9872 said:
But at that end for every Hamer is a Kastaneer, Jobello or Hillsner.
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It's getting boring this comparison being trotted out everytime the club might be in for an unknown. If Hamer is worth £15m, then there's 15 chances at a million a pop that one will come good.

Sent from my SM-G990B using Tapatalk
 

mark82

Super Moderator
  • Jul 26, 2023
  • #3,625
SeaSeeEffCee said:
Weird how GIMOC came on here to brag about Latibeaudiere but hasn’t said anything about the contract that Hamer supposedly signed a month ago…
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To be fair, he got constant pelters.
 

rob9872

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  • Jul 26, 2023
  • #3,626
I can't believe so many quoting my same post out of context. It was as a response to the we cant automatically sign a Hamer just because we did before and certainly not at the level he is now. When we signed him for £1m he clearly wasnt the £15m player he is now. Some players look excellent elsewhere but for whatever reason dont work out and I was simply pointing out some instances where we hoped all would be 'Hamers' but unfortunately it isnt always the case.
 

mark82

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  • Jul 26, 2023
  • #3,627
rob9872 said:
I can't believe so many quoting my same post out of context. It was as a response to the we cant automatically sign a Hamer just because we did before and certainly not at the level he is now. When we signed him for £1m he clearly wasnt the £15m player he is now. Some players look excellent elsewhere but for whatever reason dont work out and I was simply pointing out some instances where we hoped all would be 'Hamers' but unfortunately it isnt always the case.
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Yep, but if he does move on we certainly won't be spending huge money. We'll have to take someone to develop. I'll be gutted if he goes.
 

rob9872

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  • Jul 26, 2023
  • #3,628
mark82 said:
Yep, but if he does move on we certainly won't be spending huge money. We'll have to take someone to develop. I'll be gutted if he goes.
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Totally agree. We'll be backwards for a period in terms of quality as they hopefully develop, but in the meantime people will still be expecting play-offs. The likelyhood is that evern if we get 2 or 3 replacements using half the money we sell him for, that without him we dont make the top 6. I hope I'm wrong, I hope he stays and no guarantee of top six if he does, but I think he offers our best chance and so vital to how we play.
 

SeaSeeEffCee

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  • Jul 26, 2023
  • #3,629
mark82 said:
To be fair, he got constant pelters.
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He got constant pelters because he’d uncritically post any unsubstantiated rumour he heard (Hamer signed a new deal to be announced with the kit, Boddy working his notice, Jerry Yates and Jacob Murphy at Ryton with Simms), insisted it was true and then got arsey when people didn’t believe it.
 

mark82

Super Moderator
  • Jul 26, 2023
  • #3,630
SeaSeeEffCee said:
He got constant pelters because he’d uncritically post any unsubstantiated rumour he heard (Hamer signed a new deal to be announced with the kit, Boddy working his notice, Jerry Yates and Jacob Murphy at Ryton with Simms), insisted it was true and then got arsey when people didn’t believe it.
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Not all of those are wrong to be fair. The Yates and Murphy one was quite funny though. Clearly mistaken identity (and the guy did look a bit like Murphy).
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Jul 26, 2023
  • #3,631
mark82 said:
Not all of those are wrong to be fair. The Yates and Murphy one was quite funny though. Clearly mistaken identity (and the guy did look a bit like Murphy).
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Which ones are right out of those?
 

Calista

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  • Jul 26, 2023
  • #3,632
Covcraig@bury said:
I would break the pay structure just to keep Gus , not very often you get a player of this quality. I’ve been watch the City for 50 odd years and for me he is the best .
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Better than every player we had in the top flight? Really?
I'm sure I don't have to list them.
 
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Alkhen

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  • Jul 26, 2023
  • #3,633
SeaSeeEffCee said:
He got constant pelters because he’d uncritically post any unsubstantiated rumour he heard (Hamer signed a new deal to be announced with the kit, Boddy working his notice, Jerry Yates and Jacob Murphy at Ryton with Simms), insisted it was true and then got arsey when people didn’t believe it.
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mark82 said:
Not all of those are wrong to be fair. The Yates and Murphy one was quite funny though. Clearly mistaken identity (and the guy did look a bit like Murphy).
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It's that Murphy one that makes me think he just knows someone who works at Ryton, nobody particularly in the know or high up just someone about the place.
 

Covcraig@bury

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  • Jul 26, 2023
  • #3,634
Calista said:
Better than every player we had in the top flight? Really?
I'm sure I don't have to list them.
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In that position I would say yes by a long mile . What he does on the pitch with regards to ground covered and his vision passing ability, assists plus goals I would say without doubt.
so from your reply you think not who in your mind has been better ?
 

shmmeee

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  • Jul 26, 2023
  • #3,635
rob9872 said:
I can't believe so many quoting my same post out of context. It was as a response to the we cant automatically sign a Hamer just because we did before and certainly not at the level he is now. When we signed him for £1m he clearly wasnt the £15m player he is now. Some players look excellent elsewhere but for whatever reason dont work out and I was simply pointing out some instances where we hoped all would be 'Hamers' but unfortunately it isnt always the case.
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I just think there’s a category difference between a cheap gamble like Hilsner or Kasta and a signing like Hamer or Vik.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jul 26, 2023
  • #3,636
Covcraig@bury said:
In that position I would say yes by a long mile . What he does on the pitch with regards to ground covered and his vision passing ability, assists plus goals I would say without doubt.
so from your reply you think not who in your mind has been better ?
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Only player close would be McAllister when he was actually good for us.
 

Calista

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  • Jul 26, 2023
  • #3,637
Covcraig@bury said:
In that position I would say yes by a long mile . What he does on the pitch with regards to ground covered and his vision passing ability, assists plus goals I would say without doubt.
so from your reply you think not who in your mind has been better ?
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You’ve moved the goalposts a bit, but in terms of midfield from the Div 1 / Prem years is Hamer better "by a long mile" than Ian Gibson, Dennis Mortimer, Willie Carr, Gerry Daly, Andy Blair, Barry Powell, Terry Yorath, Youssef Chippo, Garry McAllister?

And of course in other positions there are numerous players who you’d have to say were superior to Hamer.

Gus was fantastic in the second half of last season, and on his day a match for some of the above, but hasn't yet done anything at the top level so I just responded to the claim that he's the best player we’ve had in over 50 years.
 
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Skybluecol

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  • Jul 26, 2023
  • #3,638
Covcraig@bury said:
I would break the pay structure just to keep Gus , not very often you get a player of this quality. I’ve been watch the City for 50 odd years and for me he is the best .
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Not a chance is he the best player of 50 odd years unless you've missed lots and lots and lots and lots of games for many many years!!!!
I could name a full midfield that would be better than Gus since 1973.
Saying that....he's the best we've had for a very long time....and imo one of the best in his position in the Championship (factoring the teams that have dropped from the Prem for this season).
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jul 26, 2023
  • #3,639
All I’ll say is Gus is the player I’ve enjoyed watching the most since Keane.
 
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Brylowes

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  • Jul 26, 2023
  • #3,640
rob9872 said:
What I would say is we recognise him last year as the best midfielder in the league. Fek the pay structure and offer him what he's worth. If others don't like it then they're naive at best as their best chance of success is if he stays.
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If I understand the details of the pay-structure correctly, it’s a fairly recent structure put in place by the new owner Doug King, if that is the case the problem in breaking the structure to accommodate Hamer’s financial needs isn’t the risk of upsetting other players.
The main problem is how it reflects on Doug King himself, he puts in place a strict pay-structure only to scrap it when the first player comes along and calls it into question, it shows him as weak, indecisive and frankly a bit of a walkover.
Its a pity he didn’t tie Hamer down to a new deal before introducing the pay-structure.
 
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