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  • Start date Sep 17, 2022
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pusbccfc

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  • Sep 17, 2022
  • #106
Sick Boy said:
He's a liability and has let the team down, again.
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Agreed but I don't think today's roll around was a red.

Based on that, Gyökeres is an equally liable player having missing multiple sitters this season?

Team of liabilities.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Sep 17, 2022
  • #107
pusbccfc said:
Agreed but I don't think today's roll around was a red.

Based on that, Gyökeres is an equally liable player having missing multiple sitters this season?

Team of liabilities.
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I'm sorry but trying to compare him to Gyökeres is just disrespectful to our best player.
Hamer has let the team down multiple times and will be out when it could have a key impact upon whether we stay up or go down - he's a liability that is going to cost us points.
It was a definite red card.
 

ccfc922

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  • Sep 17, 2022
  • #108
pusbccfc said:
I've seen 4 different angles now, including a slow mo, not sure what people are considering a kick? Am I meant to be seeing Rooney 2006?
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What I don't get, is if I was sent off for a "kick" that I didn't do, I'd go back n make the red card worth it. What that entails with the FA, idk, but at least make it worth it.
 

pusbccfc

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  • Sep 17, 2022
  • #109
Sick Boy said:
I'm sorry but trying to compare him to Gyökeres is just disrespectful to our best player.
Hamer has let the team down multiple times and will be out when it could have a key impact upon whether we stay up or go down - he's a liability that is going to cost us points.
It was a definite red card.
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His red had no impact on today's game. Gyökeres missing sitters at Luton does.

I'm not arguing Hamer is a liability, but he's not the only one to blame.
 

pusbccfc

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 17, 2022
  • #110
ccfc922 said:
What I don't get, is if I was sent off for a "kick" that I didn't do, I'd go back n make the red card worth it. What that entails with the FA, idk, but at least make it worth it.
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The only kick I can see is the initial one from the Birmingham player. Both players then are tangling.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Sep 17, 2022
  • #111
pusbccfc said:
His red had no impact on today's game. Gyökeres missing sitters at Luton does.

I'm not arguing Hamer is a liability, but he's not the only one to blame.
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Christ.
How long is he out for now? What percentage of the season will that be?
Try to scapegoat/deflect this onto our best player is shameful.
 

pusbccfc

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 17, 2022
  • #112
Sick Boy said:
Christ.
How long is he out for now? What percentage of the season will that be?
Try to scapegoat/deflect this onto our best player is shameful.
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No, I'm comparing, not deflecting.

Hamer deserves criticism but others are escaping it because he got sent off.
 

ccfc922

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 17, 2022
  • #113
Sick Boy said:
Christ.
How long is he out for now? What percentage of the season will that be?
Try to scapegoat/deflect this onto our best player is shameful.
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Sorry, got to say that Gyoks 2nd minute sitter vs Luton is getting pretty regular. He'll put away goals he shouldn't score, then miss Sunday league chances.

Hamer didn't cost us today, but he did vs Millwall. Although we'd already thrown away a 2 goal lead.
 

skyblueeyesrevisited

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 17, 2022
  • #114
ccfc922 said:
Sorry, got to say that Gyoks 2nd minute sitter vs Luton is getting pretty regular. He'll put away goals he shouldn't score, then miss Sunday league chances.

Hamer didn't cost us today, but he did vs Millwall. Although we'd already thrown away a 2 goal lead.
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Yes agree, but he will cost in the games he is missing
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Sep 17, 2022
  • #115
ccfc922 said:
Sorry, got to say that Gyoks 2nd minute sitter vs Luton is getting pretty regular. He'll put away goals he shouldn't score, then miss Sunday league chances.

Hamer didn't cost us today, but he did vs Millwall. Although we'd already thrown away a 2 goal lead.
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Yeah, let’s just deflect the blame away from a player who can’t control himself onto our best player.
Shameful.
 
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ccfc1234

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  • Sep 17, 2022
  • #116
ccfc922 said:
Agreed vs Millwall, but how'd he let the team down today? We offered fuck all 2nd half.
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He has let the team down by getting involved in a tangle and then (at best) wriggling aggressively with his studs near an opponent's face. While the Birmingham lad is not entirely innocent Hamer could have made different choices and the consequences from today could negatively impact our threadbare squad in the coming weeks.
 
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ccfc922

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  • Sep 17, 2022
  • #117
Sick Boy said:
Yeah, let’s just deflect the blame away from a player who can’t control himself onto our best player.
Shameful.
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Definitely not what I was saying. However, Gyoks 1v1 and clear route on goal ratio is awful without a touch off a GK/defender.
 

Saddlebrains

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  • Sep 18, 2022
  • #118
Gonna be a right laugh having a midfield pairing of Sheaf/Allen or Sheaf/Eccles for the next 4 games
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 18, 2022
  • #119
ccfc922 said:
Definitely not what I was saying. However, Gyoks 1v1 and clear route on goal ratio is awful without a touch off a GK/defender.
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I’ll give him a pass on that because he is far better at creating something from nothing than any of the other attacking players.
 
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Sbarcher

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  • Sep 18, 2022
  • #120
Top of the league!
 

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slowpoke

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  • Sep 18, 2022
  • #121
It might signify a change in tactics for me the back five with wing backs isn’t working does for a bit but once the opposition re-organise we struggle in the midfield area, as we did yesterday. 4-3-3 or 4-4-2
 
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Dec-ccfc

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  • Sep 18, 2022
  • #122
A 4-3-3 with Tavares and gyokeres on either wing would be good to see.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Sep 18, 2022
  • #123
Dec-ccfc said:
A 4-3-3 with Tavares and gyokeres on either wing would be good to see.
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Tavares can’t even get in the squad - there’s no way he’s going to be starting any time soon.
 
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Macca

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  • Sep 18, 2022
  • #124
Gyo is the only quality available player we have. Hamer blows hot and cold
 
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Macca

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  • Sep 18, 2022
  • #125
Macca said:
Gyo is the only quality available player we have. Hamer blows hot and cold
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by this I mean Championship quality
 

mark82

Super Moderator
  • Sep 18, 2022
  • #126
Sbarcher said:
Top of the league!
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At least it'll stop him accumulating yellows for a few weeks.
 
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Sbarcher

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  • Sep 18, 2022
  • #127
mark82 said:
At least it'll stop him accumulating yellows for a few weeks.
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He should have a few cards in hand when he returns.
 
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pusbccfc

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  • Sep 18, 2022
  • #128
Macca said:
Gyo is the only quality available player we have. Hamer blows hot and cold
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He's brilliant until he's handed a one on one.
 
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Legia Sky Blue

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  • Sep 18, 2022
  • #129
Hamer is a decent player, and was excellent in the first half yesterday. He is however completely naive which is really disappointing given his 2+ years experience in the Championship now. It is ridiculous for a teenager new to league football to effectively play him into getting sent off, which is something that should embarrass Hamer more than anything. He has no subtlety in respect of the dark arts, the complete opposite of someone like Michael Doyle who wasn't as good a footballer, but always seemed to know where the line was in respect of keeping on the right side of refs.
 
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OldBedrocker

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  • Sep 18, 2022
  • #130
stupot07 said:
Out of interest, what's the rational for sending the Birmingham player off?

Sent from my SM-G965F using Tapatalk
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2 footed challenge
 
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Frostie

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  • Sep 18, 2022
  • #131
OldBedrocker said:
2 footed challenge
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Where's that in the Laws of the Game?
 

ccfc922

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  • Sep 18, 2022
  • #132
Sbarcher said:
Top of the league!
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Hang on, we're the only team in the league to have received a red card this season?? N not only that, but twice for the same player
 

mark82

Super Moderator
  • Sep 18, 2022
  • #133
ccfc922 said:
Hang on, we're the only team in the league to have received a red card this season?? N not only that, but twice for the same player
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No, there have been 12 other red cards.
 

mark82

Super Moderator
  • Sep 18, 2022
  • #134
We've actually had the least yellow cards of any Championship club.
 
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long way home

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 18, 2022
  • #135
Hamer is a very good technician, but has a habit of being in the wrong place at the wrong time doing the wrong thing. It seems every game he puts himself in the refs eye to make a decision,and at this time he is on the wrong end of all. Yesterday his reaction allowed the other player to cheat/play act which gave the ref no option.

As a team we have to be more aware of what teams are doing against us. And who they target and what weakness's they want to exploit. Yesterday Deeney smashing Hamer, the players takin or gesturing to the ref wanting for cards with every incident, the rolling around. Its all fair game now, its the dark arts and in my opinion as a team we are naive and really don't do it. The power of suggestions to a ref works, you ask enough you plant the seed. If i was MR id be asking some of ours to do the same . Otherwise we will be swallowed up by lessers playing teams.

Hamer i feel little for, but he has to know he is a target and needs to understand how teams are goading him. His reaction needs to change, his understanding of our game needs to change, he play 80 games in Holland 1 red, he played less in England has 3 reds and endless yellows. He needs to adapt quicker otherwise a very good player will be ruined and a club assert will be worthless.
 
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MalcSB

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  • Sep 18, 2022
  • #136
Frostie said:
Where's that in the Laws of the Game?
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Ask Marlon King
 

pusbccfc

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 18, 2022
  • #137
long way home said:
Hamer is a very good technician, but has a habit of being in the wrong place at the wrong time doing the wrong thing. It seems every game he puts himself in the refs eye to make a decision,and at this time he is on the wrong end of all. Yesterday his reaction allowed the other player to cheat/play act which gave the ref no option.

As a team we have to be more aware of what teams are doing against us. And who they target and what weakness's they want to exploit. Yesterday Deeney smashing Hamer, the players takin or gesturing to the ref wanting for cards with every incident, the rolling around. Its all fair game now, its the dark arts and in my opinion as a team we are naive and really don't do it. The power of suggestions to a ref works, you ask enough you plant the seed. If i was MR id be asking some of ours to do the same . Otherwise we will be swallowed up by lessers playing teams.

Hamer i feel little for, but he has to know he is a target and needs to understand how teams are goading him. His reaction needs to change, his understanding of our game needs to change, he play 80 games in Holland 1 red, he played less in England has 3 reds and endless yellows. He needs to adapt quicker otherwise a very good player will be ruined and a club assert will be worthless.
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Every other team hammers the referee with every decision. At Norwich, Allen was hacked down minutes after a dubious disallowed goal and not one player went over. Allen jumped back up. We need to wise up to it.
 
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Deleted member 2477

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  • Sep 18, 2022
  • #138
Doesnt sound like we will be appealing the red going by Robins comments

Mark Robins points finger at Hannibal Mejbri after Birmingham City incident

The latest Birmingham City news from BirminghamLive as Coventry City boss Mark Robins addresses the big talking point of today's 0-0 draw
www.birminghammail.co.uk
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Sep 18, 2022
  • #139
marcusp said:
Doesnt sound like we will be appealing the red going by Robins comments

Mark Robins points finger at Hannibal Mejbri after Birmingham City incident

The latest Birmingham City news from BirminghamLive as Coventry City boss Mark Robins addresses the big talking point of today's 0-0 draw
www.birminghammail.co.uk
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Wow, that’s a surprise
 

pusbccfc

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 18, 2022
  • #140
marcusp said:
Doesnt sound like we will be appealing the red going by Robins comments

Mark Robins points finger at Hannibal Mejbri after Birmingham City incident

The latest Birmingham City news from BirminghamLive as Coventry City boss Mark Robins addresses the big talking point of today's 0-0 draw
www.birminghammail.co.uk
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Listening to CWR, he had clearly not seen it properly.
 
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