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lewys33 · Dec 17, 2013

So because it doesn't support your opinion it is flawed? I think it is a quite fair representation. Ok Simon could have worded things slightly better, and there are some answers to the questions which could be taken differently ......... but still generally a fair representation I think.

I would love to know why Rob thinks it a good idea to discuss how to hack these online polls. What are you suggesting?

lewys33 · Dec 17, 2013

Why dont you set up a poll Nick?

Astute · Dec 17, 2013

Nick said:
And people are quoting online polls as gospel...again

The vast majority of people who think that SISUE are not guilty of all charges couldn't be bothered to vote.

Grendel · Dec 17, 2013

Astute said:
The vast majority of people who think that SISUE are not guilty of all charges couldn't be bothered to vote.

No one thinks they are blameless.

lewys33 · Dec 17, 2013

Grendel said:
No one thinks they are blameless.

So why is the poll flawed?

blueflint · Dec 17, 2013

Nick said:
That says majority of fans, the majority of fans didn't vote...

they had a chance too

Monners · Dec 17, 2013

I didn't bother with the survey, but if I had then the results would have been even more flawed, as I am not particularly keen on our owners.

ohitsaidwalker king power · Dec 17, 2013

Nick said:
That says majority of fans, the majority of fans didn't vote...

All Polls are the same are they not?- a representative sample size- inferential statistics used to extrapolate the consensus. Mori Polls, television audience figures or Democratic election polls at the ballot box. All the same?

Grendel · Dec 17, 2013

lewys33 said:
So why is the poll flawed?

I haven't said it is. 57% mostly blame sisu (that could be apportioning blame 51% to them and 49% to the council) and the rest totally blame the council or say they are as much to blame. I agree.

No future with SISU · Dec 17, 2013

Grendel said:
I haven't said it is. 57% mostly blame sisu (that could be apportioning blame 51% to them and 49% to the council) and the rest totally blame the council or say they are as much to blame. I agree.

That is only the fans who voted, it is not the majority of fans.

mark_ccfc · Dec 17, 2013

Interestingly I posted a poll on here a little while ago:-

Who carries the most blame for our current problems?

SISU 100% CCC/ACL 0% 73 56.59%
SISU 75% CCC/ACL 25% 33 25.58%
SISU 50% CCC/ACL 50% 16 12.40%
SISU 25% CCC/ACL 75% 5 3.88%
SISU 0% CCC/ACL 100% 2 1.55%

That figure of 60% of fans blaming SISU seems rather familiar. There was also a poll by Les Reid on the telegraph that came up with a very similar figure that was promptly swept under the carpet.

Interesting.

mark_ccfc · Dec 17, 2013

mark_ccfc said:
Interestingly I posted a poll on here a little while ago:-

Who carries the most blame for our current problems?

SISU 100% CCC/ACL 0% 73 56.59%
SISU 75% CCC/ACL 25% 33 25.58%
SISU 50% CCC/ACL 50% 16 12.40%
SISU 25% CCC/ACL 75% 5 3.88%
SISU 0% CCC/ACL 100% 2 1.55%

That figure of 60% of fans blaming SISU seems rather familiar. There was also a poll by Les Reid on the telegraph that came up with a very similar figure that was promptly swept under the carpet.

Interesting.

Sorry - meant to mention the number next to the percentage is the number of voters. Total number of voters 129 - obviously a more modest number of voters.

No future with SISU · Dec 17, 2013

Astute said:
The vast majority of people who think that SISUE are not guilty of all charges couldn't be bothered to vote.

Tonights gate shows the majority of fans think SISU are guilty and the hanging brigade want them hung high.

Nick · Dec 17, 2013

No future with SISU said:
Tonights gate shows the majority of fans think SISU are guilty and the hanging brigade want them hung high.

It doesn't show the reasons does it, it just shows they don't want to games in Northampton

dongonzalos · Dec 17, 2013

Nick said:
And people are quoting online polls as gospel...again

Nope people just quoting the evidence provided by a poll. It is the only bit of evidence people have to discuss
Other than discussing the words of people and the actions of people.
No one criticises people for creating headlines or discussing these things.
So surely it is natural for the most compelling stat in the survey to be the headline. Also for people to discuss it and quote it.

dongonzalos · Dec 17, 2013

What is strange is when people go to lengths creating conspiracy theories such as people rigging polls. Intentionally trying leading questions. Rival fans high jacking polls etc etc.

I think this is the third or fourth survey/poll that has come out with similar results.

I am confident it is quite representative.

skybluetony176 · Dec 17, 2013

Nick said:
It doesn't show the reasons does it, it just shows they don't want to games in Northampton

nobody is staying away because they approve. of that we can be sure.

mark_ccfc · Dec 17, 2013

It is indeed unfortunate that CT worded the heading 'the majority of fans'
However a poll is all about getting the views of a representative sample.
The numbers voting in this poll are a good 10% of the attending fanbase last season so I would say it's a good size sample,
so I would not dismiss these results lightly.

cloughie · Dec 17, 2013

torchomatic said:
It's not the majority of fans though, is it? It's around 900 of those who voted.

That will make the current 'government' flawed also as the majority didn't vote for the Liberals or conservatives combined.

The majority didn't vote then either

Grendel · Dec 17, 2013

cloughie said:
That will make the current 'government' flawed also as the majority didn't vote for the Liberals or conservatives combined.

The majority didn't vote then either

65% of eligible voters registered their voice in the last general election do you are wrong - as usual.

sky blue john · Dec 17, 2013

Monners said:
I didn't bother with the survey, but if I had then the results would have been even more flawed, as I am not particularly keen on
our owners.

I also didn't vote my views are against our clubs hostage takers !!!!
I find it unbelievable that some are still trying to defend Sisu !!

Grendel · Dec 17, 2013

sky blue john said:
I also didn't vote my views are against our clubs hostages !!!!
I find it unbelievable that some are still trying to defend Sisu !!

No one is - its all in your mind.

Astute · Dec 17, 2013

Grendel said:
No one is - its all in your mind.

So you are now getting into people's mind

Nick · Dec 18, 2013

sky blue john said:
I also didn't vote my views are against our clubs hostage takers !!!!
I find it unbelievable that some are still trying to defend Sisu !!

Who is defending them and where?

sky blue john · Dec 18, 2013

Nick said:
Who is defending them and where?

You for one are defending them by your actions of watching games at sixfields ?????????

Grendel · Dec 18, 2013

sky blue john said:
You for one are defending them by your actions of watching games at sixfields ?????????

So are you for going to away games

sky blue john · Dec 18, 2013

Grendel said:
So are you for going to away games

How is going to away matches supporting Sisu taking our club hostage ????

torchomatic · Dec 18, 2013

If around 10% of the population voted then I would agree with you. What percentage of of our total fan base (not just those who attended last season) is 1600?

cloughie said:
That will make the current 'government' flawed also as the majority didn't vote for the Liberals or conservatives combined.

The majority didn't vote then either

shmmeee · Dec 18, 2013

torchomatic said:
If around 10% of the population voted then I would agree with you. What percentage of of our total fan base (not just those who attended last season) is 1600?

A high enough number to give a representative sample.

Seriously Torch, drop this line, it just shows ignorance of how surveys work and how we judge reliability.

The questions were poor, but the sample size was fine.

torchomatic · Dec 18, 2013

Oh I know how they work; I've seen enough Shampoo ads! I have no problem with the survey per se - yours was much better - I just have a problem with the word "majority". More laziness from the CT.

shmmeee said:
A high enough number to give a representative sample.

Seriously Torch, drop this line, it just shows ignorance of how surveys work and how we judge reliability.

The questions were poor, but the sample size was fine.

Sky Blue Kid · Dec 18, 2013

RFC has got more of the "Brown Stuff" on his nose than my Grandson has in his nappy, and beleive me, he can really fill a nappy. There's one for starters. Need I go on?

Grendel · Dec 18, 2013

Sky Blue Kid said:
RFC has got more of the "Brown Stuff" on his nose than my Grandson has in his nappy, and beleive me, he can really fill a nappy. There's one for starters. Need I go on?

Id rather you didn't.

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