If people were worried about defunding the police they would have been opposing it for the ladst ten years and not voting Tory
20,000 officers and 20,000 civilian support staff gone.
Again, it's to do with discourse and framing. In everyday conversation, before this oppression got vocalised, I'd have looked at you oddly if you said it, wondered why you were saying it as it was obvious, shrugged my shoulders, moved on and thought no more of it.Then on the other hand, "White Lives Matter", "Hispanic Lives Matter", "Asian Lives Matter". Obviously that's a truth too?
Again, so much of it is based on America. You have people over here going on about the thousands of black people killed each year by white people in racist attacks etc. It's stuff that is seen on social media and repeated. There's no doubt that the media are stirring people up into a frenzy as usual.
Im not saying racism in America is great and shouldn't change, of course it should. Just like everywhere else, the world would be a much better place without it.
There's no doubt there's institutional racism that "we" don't see here as well as the blatant racism that is seen, there's no doubt there needs to be changed but when you have people who watch stuff in America and start shouting over here it just gets away from the point. Doesn't it?
Why is somebody preaching about police brutality thousands of miles away, in a completely different country when they probably have no idea about the bloke who got shot in their own city by the police?
I like nw’s simple nod measure of how embracing of equality a person is
I would also agree with nick that anyone that treats another person in a negative way because of the colour of their skin then they are a xxxx
Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere
So it’s not just about black lives matter simply put injustice of any group impacts justice of every group
Yep absolutely agreeI'm more on about the wording and how it's so open to perception.
"Black Lives Matter" is a truth that nobody can disagree with, "White Lives Matter" and you are a racist. Then it's spun from the other side and just reverse the meanings of it. People start reading into their perceptions of it, if you say "White Lives Matter" you don't think black people should be equal, you are racist etc.
There is far too much that just gets away from the point and distracts from people being educated and having their eyes opened.
Exactly, but people have seen stuff in America on social media and jumped on it. Attacking the police over here because somebody was killed by police in a completely different country.
The issue is that when open discussions are had, you have people jump in to try and shout "racist" or "gammon" whenever they can. Those are the ones who want to stir things up.
I've said in this thread we don't have the issues the States have but that doesn't mean we don't have issues.
I'm prepared to believe black communities when they say there are problems because it's not something I'm going to experience.
Middle aged white men are great at telling demographics they're not part of how they should react to certain situations that they have no experience of.
People were at anti BLM marches wearing MAGA hats. They also attacked the police. Just in the interest of balance
You're kind of lumping all black people in together. I'm willing to bet there's a good few who don't agree with the actions of the black lives matter movement, but of course no one wants to hear from them. For every Stormzy, there's a Zuby.I've said in this thread we don't have the issues the States have but that doesn't mean we don't have issues.
I'm prepared to believe black communities when they say there are problems because it's not something I'm going to experience.
Middle aged white men are great at telling demographics they're not part of how they should react to certain situations that they have no experience of.
You're kind of lumping all black people in together. I'm willing to bet there's a good few who don't agree with the actions of the black lives matter movement, but of course no one wants to hear from them. For every Stormzy, there's a Zuby.
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You're kind of lumping all black people in together. I'm willing to bet there's a good few who don't agree with the actions of the black lives matter movement, but of course no one wants to hear from them. For every Stormzy, there's a Zuby.
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I notice Dizzee Rascal had absolutely no time for it either, despite Morgan trying to drag him into it.I'd much prefer to hear from black people who are both for and against it than the strange white blokes who shout Gammon all the time.
Yep at the coventry March - the initial one. As well as feeling out of place as one of very few white people in attendance I was really quite upset by one young lady who kept shouting fuck the police.
I am absolutely happy to stand alongside my black brothers and sisters and say let’s do better. I’m not happy to say all police are pigs or racist or scum or fuck them.
I didn’t have the guts to speak to the person to ask why. I’m also pretty sure people would have kicked off if the police had politely requested she stop shouting it.
Hey ho the world is broke but we can help make it less so
I don't know, I can't answer that. Historically the country is as equal as its ever been (look back just a decade or 2) so keep on heading in that direction i guess.Im not lumping all black people together at all.
I slated Biden in another thread for saying black.people who support trump aren't really black, an outrageous comment.
There will be a whole raft of opinions about this.
I'm mainly talking about the people who are on or support the protests and even within that group there will be people who disagree with certain actions.
If you don't agree with BLM what do you think should be done to improve equality?
Im not lumping all black people together at all.
I slated Biden in another thread for saying black.people who support trump aren't really black, an outrageous comment.
There will be a whole raft of opinions about this.
I'm mainly talking about the people who are on or support the protests and even within that group there will be people who disagree with certain actions.
If you don't agree with BLM what do you think should be done to improve equality?
I think a lot of people want everyone to forget what happened to George Floyd, ( and many others before him).
Pretend this is just the media making something out of nothing and move on without getting to the crux of the problem.
I don't know, I can't answer that. Historically the country is as equal as its ever been (look back just a decade or 2) so keep on heading in that direction i guess.
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Probably again not all journalists or media but definitely some do absolutely and not just to sell papers but because they genuinely have a political and moral opinion on this (daily mail)This is the thing. People will use it to push their own things on both sides.
Of course it doesn't mean everybody there thought the same, of course not every person there wanted to throw stuff at police horses. The same as not everybody by a statue was a racist, there were some veterans who were there chatting with BLM protestors with no issues at all. The media rarely show the pictures of unity and harmony that have been seen at the protests which is the real heart warming stuff and how it should be.
I still feel the media just want to stir everything up as much as possible. Whether it's to get clicks, sell papers or something more sinister I don't know.
We definitely don't have the issues there are in the States thankfully though we have regressed recently in my opinion.
Unfortunately though we do react massively to events in America and that's what happened here.
Not at all, it's just the problems in the UK are different to the problems in America. It doesn't mean there aren't problems.
To say the media aren't fueling things is a bit naive as well, again not saying things shouldn't be fixed or changed either.
It is going to end up like Brexit, lots of bickering, each newspaper pushing different things, social media going apeshit and nothing gets done.
Which is why it's pointless somebody in London preaching about statistics and something that Donald Trump or somebody else does or says.
Fix our own issues first, get equality for the BAME communities here.
No that’s something we can all agree withMy opinion.of the media isn't very high but the root cause of all of this was a policeman kneeling on a man's neck until he died not the press.
It may have happened thousands of miles away but no one should lose sight of that.
We don't want to end up like the States.
Well quite, I've always found Americans quite unhinged in general, left or right, black or white. I really don't want us to become them, that's for sure.No that’s something we can all agree with
Look at the media since then. Look at how things are forced, it was the same with the NHS stuff. That isn't saying things shouldn't be covered but it's the way it's forced.My opinion.of the media isn't very high but the root cause of all of this was a policeman kneeling on a man's neck until he died not the press.
It may have happened thousands of miles away but no one should lose sight of that.
We don't want to end up like the States.
There's injustice the world over though mate, the obsession with importing American politics is really really odd.My opinion.of the media isn't very high but the root cause of all of this was a policeman kneeling on a man's neck until he died not the press.
It may have happened thousands of miles away but no one should lose sight of that.
We don't want to end up like the States.
I really struggle to see what’s so difficult to understand about the BLM movement. I keep hearing, seeing reading stuff everywhere from white people going on like it’s some sort of power grab for people of colour to turn the tide on white people and all of a sudden have more rights than whites. I don’t understand the suspicion and resentment.
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