General Election (4 Viewers)

[lifeskyblue]

It is hypocrisy if one condemned a potential coalition by some parties and then supports/promotes or backs a coalition by others. Especially of course if some of the original condemnation was because of previous links with terror organisations and then to accept terror links of others.


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[Sick Boy]

Hypocrisy is mentioning one and backing the other.

Exactly.

 

[Astute]

It is hypocrisy if one condemned a potential coalition by some parties and then supports/promotes or backs a coalition by others. Especially of course if some of the original condemnation was because of previous links with terror organisations and then to accept terror links of others.


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So who has done that?

I have condemned both. But have seen a lot defend Corbyn but rightfully had a go at the coalition.

 

[Sick Boy]

So who has done that?

I have condemned both. But have seen a lot defend Corbyn but rightfully had a go at the coalition.

Going about trying to get peace in Ireland is a bit different to entering into government with such an organisation.

 

[Liquid Gold]

The difference is Corbyn had some level of discussion with the IRA in the 80s. The Torres are inviting people with irrefutable uvf links into government.

 

[dutchman]

The Tories only got 12 less seats than last time. Yet Corbyn is seen as a hero.

The Tories were expecting an increase due to the collapse of the UKIP vote, Labour was expecting a decrease but did the opposite and it was entirely due to Corbyn and his Socialist policies.

 

[Astute]

Going about trying to get peace in Ireland is a bit different to entering into government.

Using it as an excuse doesn't work with me. So why do those who were involved in the peace agreement say he wasn't involved? Why did he have to go to funerals of those in the IRA? Why was he involved in the propaganda fir the IRA?

He made his second in comand Abbott. She was a well known IRA sympathiser.

He also had McDonnell as part of his team. At least he admitted his support of the IRA and apologised for it.

Then you have Starmer who apologised for the members of his party who were involved with the IRA and for the comments they made.

But it is OK because someone from the Tories was also involved. But some still have the nerve to bring her name into it whilst defending Corbyn.

Hypocrisy? Some need to take a look much closer to home. Yes it was an important election. But nothing worth losing your morals over.

 

[Astute]

The Tories were expecting an increase due to the collapse of the UKIP vote, Labour was expecting a decrease but did the opposite and it was entirely due to Corbyn and his Socialist policies.

But as I have continually said if we had a better leader we would have Labour in power. People didn't vote for Corbyn. Labour might have got more votes if my dog was the leader.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Using it as an excuse doesn't work with me. So why do those who were involved in the peace agreement say he wasn't involved? Why did he have to go to funerals of those in the IRA? Why was he involved in the propaganda fir the IRA?

He made his second in comand Abbott. She was a well known IRA sympathiser.

He also had McDonnell as part of his team. At least he admitted his support of the IRA and apologised for it.

Then you have Starmer who apologised for the members of his party who were involved with the IRA and for the comments they made.

But it is OK because someone from the Tories was also involved. But some still have the nerve to bring her name into it whilst defending Corbyn.

Hypocrisy? Some need to take a look much closer to home. Yes it was an important election. But nothing worth losing your morals over.

I'm sad to say you're wasting your time mate.

I wholeheartedly agree with everything you've said there though.

 

[Liquid Gold]

But as I have continually said if we had a better leader we would have Labour in power. People didn't vote for Corbyn. Labour might have got more votes if my dog was the leader.

Even the right of the Labour Party disagrees with you on that.

 

[Astute]

Even the right of the Labour Party disagrees with you on that.

Did you ask them if they would have voted Labour if my dog was in charge?

 

[chiefdave]

People didn't vote for Corbyn.

Conservatives lost the marginals visited by May. The best performing areas for Labour were the ones visited by Corbyn. Before the vote it was being said the Labour vote would collapse because of Corbyn, now that hasn't happened its being spun as somehow nothing to do with Corbyn.

 

[Astute]

Conservatives lost the marginals visited by May. The best performing areas for Labour were the ones visited by Corbyn. Before the vote it was being said the Labour vote would collapse because of Corbyn, now that hasn't happened its being spun as somehow nothing to do with Corbyn.

He hasn't ever even had the support of his own MP's. Most wanted him gone. Some are still vocal.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40231738

 

[dutchman]

But as I have continually said if we had a better leader we would have Labour in power.

Enforcing Tory policies no doubt.

 

[dutchman]

He hasn't ever even had the support of his own MP's. Most wanted him gone.

Those same MPs owe their marginal constituency victories to Corbyn!

 

[lifeskyblue]

Like him or loathe him Corbyn has defied his critics within his own parliamentary party, his critics in the media, and his political opponents. Whilst May's star has fallen almost to the point where she is seen as a liability and expendable Corbyn has become an electoral asset.
Personally I am still not convinced by his leadership qualities and I think he is rather flakey on some policy initiatives. However May looks weak, fatally wounded and treading water until she is replaced.


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[dutchman]

Could things get any worse for the Tories?

Ruth Davidson planning Scottish Tory breakaway as she challenges Theresa May's Brexit plan

 

[CCFCSteve]

Like him or loathe him Corbyn has defied his critics within his own parliamentary party, his critics in the media, and his political opponents. Whilst May's star has fallen almost to the point where she is seen as a liability and expendable Corbyn has become an electoral asset.
Personally I am still not convinced by his leadership qualities and I think he is rather flakey on some policy initiatives. However May looks weak, fatally wounded and treading water until she is replaced.


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Agree with all of the above. His own party and a lot of labour supporters wanted him out 2-3 months ago ! Politics is a funny old world. A good campaigner doesn't mean a good leader though

 

[clint van damme]

Just read Sinn Fein are contesting the right of the DUP to form a coalition with the Torys as it contravenes the Good Friday agreement - apparently they have a case.

What a complete an utter fucking balls up this whole thing is.

 

[Astute]

Enforcing Tory policies no doubt.

We don't need a Tony Bliar to get us in. But who have we had in since?

Gordon Brown. Just his smile scared people away.

Ed Miliband. Absolutely useless.

Corbyn. A past even he tried to hide.

Then people wonder why the useless Tories still hold power....although with help again.

The biggest shame was John Smith. Such a sad time. In the short time he was in charge he changed us for the best. He was what a proper leader is all about. And none of them that have followed him have come close.

 

[Astute]

Could things get any worse for the Tories?

Ruth Davidson planning Scottish Tory breakaway as she challenges Theresa May's Brexit plan

I am surprised. Didn't know she had a plan.

 

[clint van damme]

He hasn't ever even had the support of his own MP's. Most wanted him gone. Some are still vocal.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40231738

blairite refusnik and all round c**t. Should do everyone a favour and join the tories.

 

[lifeskyblue]

Could things get any worse for the Tories?

Ruth Davidson planning Scottish Tory breakaway as she challenges Theresa May's Brexit plan

I think Davidson has now said she isn't pursuing a breakaway.


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[dutchman]

I am surprised. Didn't know she had a plan.

She has one alright, it's called 'self preservation'.

 

[Astute]

blairite refusnik and all round c**t. Should do everyone a favour and join the tories.

So what about the rest of the Labour MP's that tried to get rid of Corbyn?

 

[Astute]

She has one alright, it's called 'self preservation'.

Normal MP thing you will find.

 

[dutchman]

I think Davidson has now said she isn't pursuing a breakaway.

The Scottish Daily Telegraph’s Alan Cochrane said: “The story was impeccably sourced and I stand by every word.”

 

[clint van damme]

So what about the rest of the Labour MP's that tried to get rid of Corbyn?

egg on their faces but at least a lot of them had the bollocks to admit they were wrong.

 

[clint van damme]

Normal MP thing you will find.

might be a lesbian thing. Her leader's just got into bed with a bunch of homophobes.

 

[Astute]

egg on their faces but at least a lot of them had the bollocks to admit they were wrong.

They go along with what is best for them. They failed to get rid of Corbyn. But do you think they will back him the next time the call comes to unseat him?

 

[lifeskyblue]

The Scottish Daily Telegraph’s Alan Cochrane said: “The story was impeccably sourced and I stand by every word.”

Ruth Davidson
(@RuthDavidsonMSP)
B****cks. Folk might remember I fought a leadership election on the other side of that particular argument.... Allie Hodgkins-Brown on Twitter

June 9, 2017

Quote from Davidson on the Scottish Tory breakaway. Of course this may be just a public statement whilst she beavers away behind the scenes.


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[clint van damme]

They go along with what is best for them. They failed to get rid of Corbyn. But do you think they will back him the next time the call comes to unseat him?

it will be a long time before that call comes again.

 

[Astute]

Ruth Davidson
(@RuthDavidsonMSP)
B****cks. Folk might remember I fought a leadership election on the other side of that particular argument.... Allie Hodgkins-Brown on Twitter

June 9, 2017

Quote from Davidson on the Scottish Tory breakaway. Of course this may be just a public statement whilst she beavers away behind the scenes.


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Beavers away :smuggrin:

 

[lifeskyblue]

Beavers away :smuggrin:

Yes apologies...I couldn't resist the cheap shot...lol


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[Astute]

it will be a long time before that call comes again.

Which means we won't have a Labour government for a long time. We just had an election where the Tories did next to nothing. Yet they only lost 12 seats. They won't take the result for granted next time.