shmmeee
Well-Known Member
Labour are banking on Brexit not lasting forever. Whether that’s a smart bet is a whole other question.
Puts them in a sticky spot then don't it as they can't please both sides of the Ref
The last 7-8 years record of the Tory's on NHS laid out in black and white for all to see......abysmal.
They are shit stats but like most stats you also need to scratch beneath the surface a little.
After the 2004 GP deal, doctors were no longer required to work out of hours and since then A&E admissions have shot up by millions per annum (as people can’t get to see their doc during the evening and weekends)
The counter argument will obviously be more cash should be ploughed into the NHS. As I’ve said before, on it’s own it’s not the answer. For example and what I also find almost bizarre is how we have 25m A&E admissions every year...frightening really but also possibly suggests that people are misusing the NHS.
Labour are banking on Brexit not lasting forever. Whether that’s a smart bet is a whole other question.
Its hardly a smart bet is it come on, they will be losing lots of voters due to upsetting both sides
How long do you reckon the majority will vote along Brexit lines?
Its a massive influence atm so Id say a long time
Maybe I’m dense but I don’t get why. Once we are out going back in is a lot less attractive than staying in on our special deal. Most people I talk to outside of politics just want it over with. What are Brexiters going to be demanding once we are out?
People in the NHS will tell you there’s been a noticeable change since 2010. Also social care cuts are putting pressure onto A&E.
the GP thing did have some impact but the growth has been steady since 2004 and funding hasn’t kept pace.
Don’t think it will be anywhere near that size of majority but interesting/surprising prediction of ‘class’ voting
Tories more popular with working class than upper class, poll shows
They are shit stats but like most stats you also need to scratch beneath the surface a little.
After the 2004 GP deal, doctors were no longer required to work out of hours and since then A&E admissions have shot up by millions per annum (as people can’t get to see their doc during the evening and weekends)
The counter argument will obviously be more cash should be ploughed into the NHS. As I’ve said before, on it’s own it’s not the answer. For example and what I also find almost bizarre is how we have 25m A&E admissions every year...frightening really but also possibly suggests that people are misusing the NHS.
Just like Boris is more popular with the youth than Corbyn, lefties will still say different though
Boris Johnson has youth on his side in opinion poll as 18-24 group pick PM over Jeremy Corbyn
Daily Telegraph reporting on the opinions of anybody under the age of 70 LOL
Yes, budget cuts across the whole spectrum of public services is the cause. People 'misuse' A&E in the absence of any other service, but no way it is misused to anywhere near the extent pushed by the government.
agree about issues with social care and aging population putting far more stress on nhs/A&E.
The GP contract had a significant impact and with hindsight appears to have been a badly negotiated deal the way it was structured (BMA couldn’t believe their luck).
not saying that the sole cause of the waiting times but it’s certainly one of the main contributors
Just like Boris is more popular with the youth than Corbyn, lefties will still say different though
Boris Johnson has youth on his side in opinion poll as 18-24 group pick PM over Jeremy Corbyn
Real high quality leadership material right there. What a time to be alive.
Maybe I’m dense but I don’t get why. Once we are out going back in is a lot less attractive than staying in on our special deal. Most people I talk to outside of politics just want it over with. What are Brexiters going to be demanding once we are out?
Certainly surprises me. I understand voting for your own interests (I do actually understand why a small business owner might consider voting Tory) but I don't understand voting for somebody else's interests!Don’t think it will be anywhere near that size of majority but interesting/surprising prediction of ‘class’ voting
Tories more popular with working class than upper class, poll shows
Oh yeah lets go with Jeremy Corbyn then, I'm sure we'll be much better off!!! NOT
Certainly surprises me. I understand voting for your own interests (I do actually understand why a small business owner might consider voting Tory) but I don't understand voting for somebody else's interests!
I also don't really understand why on earth Johnson seems to resonate with the common man!
Refute the points then Dumb. Is he not one of the biggest liars in the country? Did he not write essays for and against being in the EU before he calculated which would get him into No. 10? Isn't the Brexit deal he's brought back a rehash of what Theresa May tried to get through?
That we get on with other issues which is what Boris has said
Keep loving off Corbyn ya knob
Both the GP and social care have impacted - one on the way in, the other on the way out.
Shorter GP opening has resulted in more going in, but lack of social care places means people, esp elderly, aren't able to leave despite not needing the same level of care as provided in hospital. Hospitals have become bottlenecks.
I think one thing we should see is MP's and high ranking officials having to use the NHS for healthcare (without preferential treatment) and not private insurance etc meaning many don't experience the true problems in the service. It doesn't affect them to the same extent so aren't as bothered about it other than how it affects voting for them. Put them in the problem and you'd soon see an attempt to fix it.
Oh yeah lets go with Jeremy Corbyn then, I'm sure we'll be much better off!!! NOT
Certainly surprises me. I understand voting for your own interests (I do actually understand why a small business owner might consider voting Tory) but I don't understand voting for somebody else's interests!
I also don't really understand why on earth Johnson seems to resonate with the common man!
So if we are getting on with other issues, how is Brexit still the main issue??
agree about issues with social care and aging population putting far more stress on nhs/A&E.
The GP contract had a significant impact and with hindsight appears to have been a badly negotiated deal the way it was structured (BMA couldn’t believe their luck).
not saying that the sole cause of the waiting times but it’s certainly one of the main contributors
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