clint van damme
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so would this suggests that decriminalsation/legalisation isn't at the root of Hollands current problems with drug related violence?
From what I know from 2020 a small number of companies are going to legally grow cannabis under licence from the Dutch Govt. It's a trial period to measure the impact on crime etc. and restricted to a few areas.
There was a plan to allow householders to grow a maximum of 5 plants for personal use.
In purely financial terms the lucrative side of the illegal drugs (and criminality) isn't so much about cannabis but the harder drugs and synthetic drugs. In 2017 the official police figures 22 bn Euros worth of synthetic drugs were made in Holland.
Absolutely correct, all drugs are illegal everywhere in Holland.
Various local authorities turn a blind eye to small scale usage but you can still be arrested by the state police.
Where local councils have 'licensed' cannabis cafés the regulations governing them are routinely ignored.
The easy availability of drugs certainly hasn't reduced the amount of drug crime.so would this suggests that decriminalsation/legalisation isn't at the root of Hollands current problems with drug related violence?
They don't have legalised cannabis as such. They turn a blind eye and don't prosecute for small amounts. In other words it is tolerated.But Holland does have legalised cannabis and cannabis tourism.
Is this violence related to that or illegal class A drugs? I don't know because I've not read the whole story to be honest.
How about your personal experience? You was shown to be incorrect at best for saying who can be guaranteed to get in. I showed you that those who you stated are not guaranteed as thousands get turned down. Even those needed ti work for the NHS that are needed by the same government that says how many can come in.Er no one seems to agree with you but your self - which seems to happen a lot
The question was how personal experience do you have - we all know the answer anyway
Knife carrying.
Gun ownership.
Speeding.
Legalise drugs today, and the door opens to anyone with an agenda.
The dickhead at the school gates selling drugs to children would love drugs to be legalised, it wouldn’t stop dealing, it would just make it more affordable, and less risky, And which drugs do you legalise? All of them, or just a few, and who gets to decide?
How about your personal experience? You was shown to be incorrect at best for saying who can be guaranteed to get in. I showed you that those who you stated are not guaranteed as thousands get turned down. Even those needed ti work for the NHS that are needed by the same government that says how many can come in.
But your lies continue. Well done.
They don't have legalised cannabis as such. They turn a blind eye and don't prosecute for small amounts. In other words it is tolerated.
What are the drug laws in the Netherlands
The problem they have is because drugs are tolerated it makes it easier for harder drugs. And because they don't have the manpower to check everything and everyone it makes it easier than in a country that doesn't have such a tolerance to drugs of any sort.
I suppose many start off selling canabis but see that the harder drugs make more money. And the top drug lords move in to make their cut.
It certainly isn't as easy as saying this is legal and that isn't legal. That is the problem of being tolerant instead of law based.
surely far too soon to evaluate the success of legaliszation in some states. Economics can be evaluated fairly quickly but the social effects (crime, other drug use etc) needs a reasonable amount of time to be judged.The American states have varying degrees of legalisation and offer good opportunities for case studies in how to get it right or not. But all you have ended up doing is arguing for a more liberal approach than decriminalisation.
So thank you again.
surely far too soon to evaluate the success of legaliszation in some states. Economics can be evaluated fairly quickly but the social effects (crime, other drug use etc) needs a reasonable amount of time to be judged.
The amount of money in many countries big business is investing into cannabis-related products suggests they believe there will be a larger relaxation of rules in those directions in the future in "key markets".
Correct. No point in trying with you at all. You was proven to be wrong/lying.No you showed a link that proved regarding skilled workers / which is all I mentioned - that you are wrong.
Earlier you were telling Dave his company was wasting their time trying to recruit from the Far East unskilled labour which is the only reason I offered my experience
You have no experience but clearly have more knowledge than the company he works for and the one I work for
You laughably then upload a link which if you could actually read states what I said in the text. You were lured by a headline and fail to grasp what it was really telling you.
You have no idea what constitutes a skilled worker. You have no idea about how Daves company can recruit (I’m sure their HR department will have evaluated) and you have no idea in practice how cases like this are handled.
There is zero point in continuing this discussion
OMG.The American states have varying degrees of legalisation and offer good opportunities for case studies in how to get it right or not. But all you have ended up doing is arguing for a more liberal approach than decriminalisation.
So thank you again.
Correct. No point in trying with you at all. You was proven to be wrong/lying.
Bye.
OMG.
Point out where I have said differently. I said we need to be careful how we do it.
Why do you frequently make out I have said something that I haven't?
This place is a joke sometimes. Constant allegations are made that are false. And you are as bad as Grendel for making them.
How about showing where I said I am against legalizing canabis then.You are the straw man king on here dude and it’s usually so you can argue for the sake of arguing.
You are the straw man king on here dude and it’s usually so you can argue for the sake of arguing.
When you mention Straw Man he probably thinks you are referring to the BBC waste of licence fee money adaption of Worzel Gummidge
So did Holland. Now they have lost control.
Legalized Cannabis in Colorado Emergency Departments: A Cautionary Review of Negative Health and Safety EffectsColorado has had legalisation since 2012. Their teenage marijuana usage dropped and at the moment is one of the lowest in the country since the state invests the proceeds in drug-specific education.
One murdered lawyer? There has been more. How many murders of officials would you like?
You are nearly as famous as Grendel for making your own facts up.
From what I know from 2020 a small number of companies are going to legally grow cannabis under licence from the Dutch Govt. It's a trial period to measure the impact on crime etc. and restricted to a few areas.
There was a plan to allow householders to grow a maximum of 5 plants for personal use.
In purely financial terms the lucrative side of the illegal drugs (and criminality) isn't so much about cannabis but the harder drugs and synthetic drugs. In 2017 the official police figures 22 bn Euros worth of synthetic drugs were made in Holland.
It’s not legal, 5 plants or under is treated in the same way as possession, and could be confiscated by the police. In reality though, they’re not going to bother.You can grow legally now I think. The misuss’ brother grows at home there and everyone seems to be cool with it.
Boris "The NHS is not for sale."
The reality....
Private firms invited to run NHS services with cancer and kids treatment on sale
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More in the UK than elsewhere? Don't be silly. They have to get passed our borders to get here. But most of the borders in the EU are invisible. So they are free to move all the way to the sea borders we have instead of the first place they land unless they land somewhere like Italy where the EU has got tough.
Not just Europe, look at what is going on in India with the anti-Muslim Citizenship Amendment Act.
So you have never seen any programmes on fraud? Never seen anything on tax dodging?
OK.
The people in this country that refuse to work should be forced into work.
It's a shame Germany couldn't of taken our 40k as well. You lot seem to be happy enough to open the floodgates for anyone. Where will they be schooled? What about housing them? Healthcare?
You can just blame the Tories I suppose for the state of country whilst you wave through thousands of scroungers.
Good news but wasn't this already announced in September? Be interesting to see how much we actually get, think £25m mentioned in the CT might be optimistic given the total fund is £1bn and there's 100 towns and cities receiving funding in phase one alone.See the city centre is getting a cash boost and other help
The nonsensical argument is the one where we legalise something, just because we can’t stop people breaking the law.
But who decides which drugs are legalised?It's not to do with that - it's the scientific evidence that is constantly ignored in terms of addictiveness, mind-altering ability etc.
All of those show that if we have things like pot criminalised then tobacco and alcohol have to as well due to their effects. We have a huge number of alcoholics who are jobless, homeless, have massive mental and physical health problems and their families/friends (which in turn has a knock-one effect), cause huge societal costs in policing and healthcare etc. Yet the argument is that the tax/jobs etc made negates these effects. So why not use this model for other substances?
No-one is suggesting 'going soft' on drugs. It needs a robust legal framework and harsh financial/custodial penalties handed down for those that don't follow the rules backed up with educational material to explain the dangers.
But who decides which drugs are legalised?
There is a lot of evidence to suggest cannabis and cocaine can cause serious mental problems, so do we just ignore that? Or is it ok as long as it generates jobs and tax?
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