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tisza

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  • Dec 28, 2019
  • #7,701
Grendel said:
It’s especially true on catholic countries like Italy and Spain which are basically feudal in their attitudes

'I'm full of fear': Woman's story exposes Italy's rape law
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Spain has been highlighted with some appalling High profile cases recently.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 28, 2019
  • #7,702
Grendel said:
He will provide on lucazade consumption in Iceland shortly
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Think they're selling out but the spring rolls are selling well too
 

stupot07

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  • Dec 28, 2019
  • #7,703
This is ridiculous.

Scaling back the Supreme Court

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Ian1779

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  • Dec 28, 2019
  • #7,704
Deleted member 5849 said:
Hmmm.

Britain First says 5,000 of its members have joined Tories

To clarify, the point is not the figures, the point is that the Conservative Party is seen as attractive by hard right nutters such as these, and our friend Mr. Lennon.

Am sure Johnson's enquiry will osrt it all out...
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They have become emboldened and feel empowered. Worrying times.
 

fatso

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  • Dec 28, 2019
  • #7,705
clint van damme said:
Can you give me an example of a country where they've legalised either of them successfully? Or where they've legalised and taxed some kinds of rape and murder and not others? Nonsensical argument.
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The nonsensical argument is the one where we legalise something, just because we can’t stop people breaking the law.
 

Grendel

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  • Dec 28, 2019
  • #7,706
stupot07 said:
This is ridiculous.

Scaling back the Supreme Court

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It really isn’t and would be the first thing I’d have done
 

skybluetony176

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  • Dec 28, 2019
  • #7,707
Grendel said:
It really isn’t and would be the first thing I’d have done
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Yeah but you’re ridiculous so it only proves Stu’s point.
 

clint van damme

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  • Dec 28, 2019
  • #7,708
fatso said:
The nonsensical argument is the one where we legalise something, just because we can’t stop people breaking the law.
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that's not the argument though is it?
You are aware we once went to war for the right to sell drugs?
And that the status of individual drugs has changed constantly throughout the decades including prohibition in the States.
To compare them to rape and murder is nonsense.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 28, 2019
  • #7,709
fatso said:
The nonsensical argument is the one where we legalise something, just because we can’t stop people breaking the law.
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Good job we didn't decriminalise being gay oh wait what
 

skybluetony176

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  • Dec 28, 2019
  • #7,710
clint van damme said:
that's not the argument though is it?
You are aware we once went to war for the right to sell drugs?
And that the status of individual drugs has changed constantly throughout the decades including prohibition in the States.
To compare them to rape and murder is nonsense.
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Alcohol would be a class a drug if it was illegal. Legalising drugs isn’t as stupid as it sounds when you consider the damage alcohol does to society.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Dec 28, 2019
  • #7,711
skybluetony176 said:
Alcohol would be a class a drug if it was illegal. Legalising drugs isn’t as stupid as it sounds when you consider the damage alcohol does to society.
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I don't agree with prohibition. But if that is the route you go down then surely you don't make a drug,Which as you point out is highly dangerous,available on almost every street.
You have to ban the lot surely?
But then create another revenue stream for the gangsters.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 28, 2019
  • #7,712
clint van damme said:
I don't agree with prohibition. But if that is the route you go down then surely you don't make a drug,Which as you point out is highly dangerous,available on almost every street.
You have to ban the lot surely?
But then create another revenue stream for the gangsters.
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It is safer having it legal than handing a monopoly to illegal vendors who can taint the product. Do we ban all addictive substances because of a minority who fall susceptible to addiction?
 
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fatso

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  • Dec 28, 2019
  • #7,713
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Good job we didn't decriminalise being gay oh wait what
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Knife carrying.
Gun ownership.
Speeding.
Legalise drugs today, and the door opens to anyone with an agenda.
The dickhead at the school gates selling drugs to children would love drugs to be legalised, it wouldn’t stop dealing, it would just make it more affordable, and less risky, And which drugs do you legalise? All of them, or just a few, and who gets to decide?
 

Seymour_East

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  • Dec 28, 2019
  • #7,714
Grendel said:
Makes no difference - the rise of extremism is down to the Eu and in particular monetary union - which pretty much makes it impossible for these countries to actually leave anyway
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What a nit-wit you are, maybe you should have paid more attention at history in school... if you were ever bothered to attend.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Dec 28, 2019
  • #7,715
fatso said:
Knife carrying.
Gun ownership.
Speeding.
Legalise drugs today, and the door opens to anyone with an agenda.
The dickhead at the school gates selling drugs to children would love drugs to be legalised, it wouldn’t stop dealing, it would just make it more affordable, and less risky, And which drugs do you legalise? All of them, or just a few, and who gets to decide?
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How are drugs comparable to carry knives and guns? Wow.

It’s only relatively recent that legislation has been in place and it’s been a failure.

Also dealing outside of a school would not become less risky or cheaper. Legislation would remove the profitability for large scale gangs and would hand power back to the state.

Any lone individual passing drugs onto children could also be dealt with far more severely.

Drug use within society is not going to go away or be stopped with the current model, all it does is push it underground and hand power and a lot of money to unsavoury individuals.
 

Grendel

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  • Dec 28, 2019
  • #7,716
Seymour_East said:
What a nit-wit you are, maybe you should have paid more attention at history in school... if you were ever bothered to attend.
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It’s hardly a radical thought

https://time.com
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Dec 28, 2019
  • #7,717
Grendel said:
It’s hardly a radical thought

https://time.com
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Apart from since then even Le Pen and Salvini have revised their EU stances - the dominos effect of Brexit that many predicted has hardly come to light, has it?
 

Grendel

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  • Dec 28, 2019
  • #7,718
Sick Boy said:
Apart from since then even Le Pen and Salvini have revised their EU stances - the dominos effect of Brexit that many predicted has hardly come to light, has it?
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The article suggests that this is simply a strategy to destroy from within and take it apart bit by bit
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Dec 29, 2019
  • #7,719
Grendel said:
The article suggests that this is simply a strategy to destroy from within and take it apart bit by bit
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I don’t doubt they’ll have some kind of strategy but it’s not like the whole European Parliament is eurosceptic.

I’d be more concerned about the UK if I were you now that Brexit is happening and the divisions that I think will only continue to increase over time.
 

Astute

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  • Dec 29, 2019
  • #7,720
Grendel said:
Answer the question
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Answer what question?

You have been shown to be wrong. So you tried to say you said untruths to try and catch me out. I have shown you how difficult it is to get into the country with the limits set by the Tories so they can keep the total immigration numbers down. Yet you still try to twist the truth.

You are a joke. You can't handle admitting when you are wrong.
 

Astute

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  • Dec 29, 2019
  • #7,721
Brighton Sky Blue said:
It hasn't been doing badly. But other countries that have been even more progressive in their outlook have done better. How is the UK doing? How about Scotland in particular?
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The Dutch Are Waking Up to Discover They Live in a ‘Narco State’
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Dec 29, 2019
  • #7,722
Astute said:
The Dutch Are Waking Up to Discover They Live in a ‘Narco State’
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The power needs to be taken away from criminals and given back to the state, the article highlights the way it works in Holland;

Under ‘decriminalization,’ as opposed to legalization, the production of marijuana to this day is not controlled by the Dutch state, and growing and selling quickly became a business opportunity, especially for the poor.
 

Astute

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  • Dec 29, 2019
  • #7,723
Sick Boy said:
The power needs to be taken away from criminals and given back to the state, the article highlights the way it works in Holland;

Under ‘decriminalization,’ as opposed to legalization, the production of marijuana to this day is not controlled by the Dutch state, and growing and selling quickly became a business opportunity, especially for the poor.
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Which is what I have been saying.

It has all gone wrong in Holland. The main problem is that they didn't have a plan. They jist stopped prosecuting for small amounts. It still isn't legal. So it got shaped by those who benefit the most.

It has ended up where drugs are produced and then distributed all over the world. So much money is made that false companies are started to clean the money made.

And all these drugs are produced on our doorstep.
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 29, 2019
  • #7,724
fatso said:
Knife carrying.
Gun ownership.
Speeding.
Legalise drugs today, and the door opens to anyone with an agenda.
The dickhead at the school gates selling drugs to children would love drugs to be legalised, it wouldn’t stop dealing, it would just make it more affordable, and less risky, And which drugs do you legalise? All of them, or just a few, and who gets to decide?
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But that hasn't happened in Portugal, or Switzerland.
Is the US alcohol trade safer and more regulated now than when it was in the hands of gangsters?
As for which drugs do you legalise, as I said earlier, I don't think there's a one size fits all solution per country.
But remember, spice, which until recently was legal, is highly dangerous, has been responsible for many deaths, and there is huge problematic use of in prisons and among the homeless only came about because cannabis is illegal.
 

clint van damme

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  • Dec 29, 2019
  • #7,725
Astute said:
The Dutch Are Waking Up to Discover They Live in a ‘Narco State’
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They clearly have issues in Holland though calling it a narco state is sensationalism.
A narco state is a country whose economy is reliant on drug money which Holland isn't.
And it hasn't got the levels of violence you'd expect in a narco state. It's murder rate is less than the UK.
 

Astute

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  • Dec 29, 2019
  • #7,726
clint van damme said:
They clearly have issues in Holland though calling it a narco state is sensationalism.
A narco state is a country whose economy is reliant on drug money which Holland isn't.
And it hasn't got the levels of violence you'd expect in a narco state. It's murder rate is less than the UK.
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The Dutch GDP is currently over 10% drug related that they seem to know of. That is quite reliant whichever way you put it.

So what percentage of murders in Holland is to do with drugs?

Our murder rate isn't exactly low these days when it comes to drugs. There is approximately one murder every two days in London alone. So not the best place to compare murder rates with.

So back to what I was saying. Unless legalisation is done right and with a lot of consideration it will cause a lot more problems than it will solve.
 

clint van damme

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  • Dec 29, 2019
  • #7,727
Astute said:
The Dutch GDP is currently over 10% drug related that they seem to know of. That is quite reliant whichever way you put it.

So what percentage of murders in Holland is to do with drugs?

Our murder rate isn't exactly low these days when it comes to drugs. There is approximately one murder every two days in London alone. So not the best place to compare murder rates with.

So back to what I was saying. Unless legalisation is done right and with a lot of consideration it will cause a lot more problems than it will solve.
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But Holland does have legalised cannabis and cannabis tourism.
Is this violence related to that or illegal class A drugs? I don't know because I've not read the whole story to be honest.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Dec 29, 2019
  • #7,728
clint van damme said:
But Holland does have legalised cannabis and cannabis tourism.
Is this violence related to that or illegal class A drugs? I don't know because I've not read the whole story to be honest.
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Cannabis is not actually legal there.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Dec 29, 2019
  • #7,729
Sick Boy said:
Cannabis is not actually legal there.
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Decrimanalised?
 

Grendel

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  • Dec 29, 2019
  • #7,730
Astute said:
Answer what question?

You have been shown to be wrong. So you tried to say you said untruths to try and catch me out. I have shown you how difficult it is to get into the country with the limits set by the Tories so they can keep the total immigration numbers down. Yet you still try to twist the truth.

You are a joke. You can't handle admitting when you are wrong.
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Er no one seems to agree with you but your self - which seems to happen a lot

The question was how personal experience do you have - we all know the answer anyway
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Dec 29, 2019
  • #7,731
clint van damme said:
But Holland does have legalised cannabis and cannabis tourism.
Is this violence related to that or illegal class A drugs? I don't know because I've not read the whole story to be honest.
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The best policy is to decriminalise possession for personal use and regulate supply. Not all out legalisation which he seems to be suggesting would be the case.

We're never going to get it in the UK, the country is a reflection of the reactionary media.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Dec 29, 2019
  • #7,732
fernandopartridge said:
The best policy is to decriminalise possession for personal use and regulate supply. Not all out legalisation which he seems to be suggesting would be the case.

We're never going to get it in the UK, the country is a reflection of the reactionary media.
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As long as the state is involved in the supply it helps to eliminate the criminal element. Agreed that it would never happen in the UK
 

tisza

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  • Dec 29, 2019
  • #7,733
clint van damme said:
Decrimanalised?
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Not really. Also in many places cannabis tourism is illegal.
 
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tisza

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  • Dec 29, 2019
  • #7,734
From what I know from 2020 a small number of companies are going to legally grow cannabis under licence from the Dutch Govt. It's a trial period to measure the impact on crime etc. and restricted to a few areas.
There was a plan to allow householders to grow a maximum of 5 plants for personal use.
In purely financial terms the lucrative side of the illegal drugs (and criminality) isn't so much about cannabis but the harder drugs and synthetic drugs. In 2017 the official police figures 22 bn Euros worth of synthetic drugs were made in Holland.
 

dutchman

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  • Dec 29, 2019
  • #7,735
Sick Boy said:
Cannabis is not actually legal there.
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Absolutely correct, all drugs are illegal everywhere in Holland.

clint van damme said:
Decrimanalised?
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Various local authorities turn a blind eye to small scale usage but you can still be arrested by the state police.

Where local councils have 'licensed' cannabis cafés the regulations governing them are routinely ignored.
 
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