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SkyBlueDom26

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  • Dec 3, 2019
  • #4,726
Ian1779 said:
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Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 3, 2019
  • #4,727
SkyBlueDom26 said:

Great news, they should all be locked up for life
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You would struggle to find someone that doesn’t agree... on either side of the spectrum.
 

SkyBlueCharlie9

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 3, 2019
  • #4,728
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Donald Trump London NATO visit includes tea with Prince Charles Queen and Downing Street reception | Daily Mail Online

General election: Donald Trump backs Boris Johnson but says 'I'll stay out of election'

Asked about whether the NHS would be discussed between US and UK officials for a future trade deal after Brexit, he said: "No not at all. I have nothing to do with it. Never even thought about it, honestly.

"I don't even know where that rumour started.


There we go, can we put this nhs for sale to bed now
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Let me get this right - The Tory's using and quoting Trump because no one believes them. They are panicking more than I thought. Hilarious.
 

SkyBlueDom26

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  • Dec 3, 2019
  • #4,729
SkyBlueCharlie9 said:
Let me get this right - The Tory's using and quoting Trump because no one believes them. They are panicking more than I thought. Hilarious.
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Won't be hilarious when they have a majority though will it, then we'll see who's laughing

 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Dec 3, 2019
  • #4,730
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Won't be hilarious when they have a majority though will it, then we'll see who's laughing

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None of us, that's who.
 
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 3, 2019
  • #4,731
SkyBlueDom26 said:
You know its bullshit deep down, still you'd never criticise Corbyn would ya
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Maybe Grendull did have a point afterall
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 3, 2019
  • #4,732
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Won't be hilarious when they have a majority though will it, then we'll see who's laughing
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Did you watch Dispatches last night? Would be interested in your thoughts on it.

Personally struggle to comprehend how anybody could watch that and still consider voting Conservative.
 
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covcity4life

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 3, 2019
  • #4,733
chiefdave said:
Did you watch Dispatches last night? Would be interested in your thoughts on it.

Personally struggle to comprehend how anybody could watch that and still consider voting Conservative.
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snowflake! keep britain british! brexit means brexit! leave means leave!

answer your question?
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 3, 2019
  • #4,734
SkyblueBazza said:
You mean you find it an awkward one so don't want to answer it.

It wasn't so long ago nobody imagined life away from the EU.

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No, I mean if you have to invent imaginary scenarios to win an argument you haven’t got an argument. It’s proper Harry Enfield character territory. Is that what you want because that’s what will happen. Yeah OK Angry Frank, or was it Lee and Lance. Either way.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Dec 3, 2019
  • #4,735
SkyBlueDom26 said:
It was taken well out of context
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Do you know that the word gullible doesn’t appear in the dictionary?
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 3, 2019
  • #4,736
Deleted member 5849 said:
What if they went through the same process for putting tigers in charge of childcare?

What if!
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You do know that the tiger who came for tea isn’t a documentary?
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Dec 3, 2019
  • #4,737
chiefdave said:
But in that scenario Johnson and co would come out and say the US were after the NHS and we put our foot down and said it wasn't up for discussion.

What we're actually seeing is a denial from everyone involved that there has been a discussion when we can all see the evidence there has been for ourselves.
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Exactly, not once in the minutes does it say that the NHS is of the table, end of conversation. The opposite is in fact true, they then go on to have a conversation about the NHS. If the same negotiators were asked how they felt about a kick in the bollocks they wouldn’t have then started talking terms on how to receive a kick in the bollocks, they would have quite clearly stated that kicks in the bollocks are not on the table.
 
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stupot07

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 3, 2019
  • #4,738
Asked why he was staying out of the election, Trump said:

"Because I don’t want to complicate it. I’ll stay out of the election. You know that I was a fan of Brexit. I called it the day before.
I think Boris is very capable and I think he’ll do a good job."

Trump has repeatedly claimed that he predicted the result of the Brexit referendum in advance, when he was visiting his golf course in Scotland. As explained here, this is not true. FactCheck: Did Donald Trump predict Brexit at his Scottish golf course the day before the vote?

Trump has been proven time and again to be a compulsive liar.....just like he blonde shaggy haired mate.


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Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 3, 2019
  • #4,739
I dont know much about politics but is this a parody?

 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 3, 2019
  • #4,740
Deleted member 5849 said:
What kind of world do we live in where looking into whether it's feasible to improve workers' conditions is a vote loser...?
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A world where there is no trust. Neither Corbyn or Boris seem trustworthy.

The problem that has been highlighted several times on here is we shouldn't trust the Tories because of the previous times they have been in power yet we should forget what happened on the previous times Labour have been in power. Don't you think that Tory voters push the same ideals?

The last Labour government took away decent pensions for all. All workers that live long enough to retire are affected by this. Yet the point raised is workers rights.

The finances of the UK are important. Look at last time we had a Labour government. We used to have a massive gold reserve. It was sold off when prices were very low. Prices then went up multiple times. Now we have Labour that want to spend hundreds of billions of pounds. Yet some make out it isn't a problem. Free internet for the rich?

And some on here either don't get it or don't want to get it. Concentrate on the good on one side and the bad on the other and there is only one logical answer. But where is the financial stability for the future of the UK? Labour?
 

Astute

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  • Dec 3, 2019
  • #4,741
shmmeee said:
That’s been pretty much the entirety of the anti Labour argument. “But what if this bunch of mental scenarios happen?” Hardly ever “I don’t like this specific actual policy”.

When did we become so anxious and cowed as a country?

Weird how the bombastic buccaneering Brexit spirit goes missing and suddenly we’re a useless country that doesn’t deserve better and couldn’t achieve it if we wanted to.
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One question for you. The question that never gets answered. When was the last decent Labour government? I'm 51 and have never had one.

How about financial stability? Is this a mental scenario?
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 3, 2019
  • #4,742
stupot07 said:
Asked why he was staying out of the election, Trump said:

"Because I don’t want to complicate it. I’ll stay out of the election. You know that I was a fan of Brexit. I called it the day before.
I think Boris is very capable and I think he’ll do a good job."

Trump has repeatedly claimed that he predicted the result of the Brexit referendum in advance, when he was visiting his golf course in Scotland. As explained here, this is not true. FactCheck: Did Donald Trump predict Brexit at his Scottish golf course the day before the vote?

Trump has been proven time and again to be a compulsive liar.....just like he blonde shaggy haired mate.


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He also said he wasn't interested in the NHS even if it was handed to him on a silver platter. You seem to have missed that bit out. Don't understand why.....
 

Grendel

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  • Dec 3, 2019
  • #4,743
Astute said:
One question for you. The question that never gets answered. When was the last decent Labour government? I'm 51 and have never had one.

How about financial stability? Is this a mental scenario?
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In terms of the economy the Blair Brown administration was ok. Brown may have been a good PM but was tarnished in the end by his association with Blair and the spin machine Campbell
 

Astute

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  • Dec 3, 2019
  • #4,744
chiefdave said:
That's the actually quote, thought it was from a parody site!

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And trade...which drugs is a major part of...And not the NHS? Of course not cus Corbyn says so.

So why is leaving the EU bad because of buying drugs? Oh yeah the EU wants to take over the NHS.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 3, 2019
  • #4,745
Astute said:
One question for you. The question that never gets answered. When was the last decent Labour government? I'm 51 and have never had one.

How about financial stability? Is this a mental scenario?
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The years containing stable low unemployment and a budget surplus?
 

Astute

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  • Dec 3, 2019
  • #4,746
Grendel said:
In terms of the economy the Blair Brown administration was ok. Brown may have been a good PM but was tarnished in the end by his association with Blair and the spin machine Campbell
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Pensions bad.

Selling off the gold bad.

Their government based on Tory ideals...depends which way you see it.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Dec 3, 2019
  • #4,747
Grendel said:
In terms of the economy the Blair Brown administration was ok. Brown may have been a good PM but was tarnished in the end by his association with Blair and the spin machine Campbell
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Quoted for posterity!

Brown's error was allowing the PR machine to try and portray him as Blair-lite, when what the country was crying out for was an anti Blair. Brown, deep thinking, conviction politician who kept his personal life out of the limelight instead of using it for political gain, was it, if they'd let him be himself. What they saw as weaknesses were his strengths.

Have to say, Blair and Brown's governments are the best ones during my lifetime. In my view, of course. They weren't as left as I'd have liked there are some obvious sticks to beat Blair with, in particular, but there was a return to a general philosophy of inclusiveness within society.

Plus my Mum could catch a bus into town again(!)
 
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shmmeee

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  • Dec 3, 2019
  • #4,748
Ian1779 said:
You would struggle to find someone that doesn’t agree... on either side of the spectrum.
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Isn’t this already the case? The London Bridge guy broke this law and it clearly states life is a possible punishment.

Terrorism Act 2006
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 3, 2019
  • #4,749
Astute said:
One question for you. The question that never gets answered. When was the last decent Labour government? I'm 51 and have never had one.

How about financial stability? Is this a mental scenario?
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Define “decent”. Blair’s government was the best in my lifetime. It’s the only acceptable form of neoliberalism and still has major issues. But it tried to smooth the edges off it at least.

Before my lifetime? I’d take most government pre-Thatcher Labour or Conservative. Obviously 1945 is special.

When was the last decent Conservative one? You’ve got a lot to pick from.

And yes, given the evidence, banging on about finances when all the stats show Labour governments are better for them is a bit mental. Thanks for asking.
 

SkyBlueDom26

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  • Dec 3, 2019
  • #4,750
Nick said:
I dont know much about politics but is this a parody?

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Here we go Labour lovers, this is what you want for our country

Disgraceful
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 3, 2019
  • #4,751
Nick said:
I dont know much about politics but is this a parody?

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What in the article do you think is parody? Seems fairly sane.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 3, 2019
  • #4,752
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Here we go Labour lovers, this is what you want for our country

Disgraceful
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We want the country to be run by the ex-Guardian Home Affairs Editor?
 

SkyBlueDom26

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 3, 2019
  • #4,753
shmmeee said:
What in the article do you think is parody? Seems fairly sane.
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How is it fairly sane?????? You think them not being locked up would protect us then?
 

SkyBlueDom26

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 3, 2019
  • #4,754
shmmeee said:
We want the country to be run by the Guardian Home Affairs Editor?
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Well Abbott who is Labour seems to agree with the point made
 
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SkyblueBazza

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 3, 2019
  • #4,755
chiefdave said:
But in that scenario Johnson and co would come out and say the US were after the NHS and we put our foot down and said it wasn't up for discussion.

What we're actually seeing is a denial from everyone involved that there has been a discussion when we can all see the evidence there has been for ourselves.
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What has been said is that it was on THEIR 'wishlist' to discuss Pharma pricing - which is NOT privatising. 'Opening up the NHS to big US Pharma' is a scare story. They are already here. They price products competitively ageing EU & UK Pharma. If US Pharma get patent extensions, so do EU & British.
Patent life was last extended in 1995 for drugs filed. There is an argument that this helps reduce the overall cost of drugs as they can recoup development costs over a longer period, but that it would also free up more money to be reinvested in research of the next generation of potentially life-saving medications.

You won't miss them unless you are ever unfortunate enough to need them!

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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 3, 2019
  • #4,756
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Well Abbott who is Labour seems to agree with the point made
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That the Tory government has dropped the ball on deradicalisation? A politician attacking an opponent in an election period? What a shocker!

Have you actually read the article?
 
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SkyblueBazza

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  • Dec 3, 2019
  • #4,757
clint van damme said:
of course it does Baz!
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Which reinforces what I said really doesn't it?

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SkyBlueDom26

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 3, 2019
  • #4,758
shmmeee said:
That the Tory government has dropped the ball on deradicalisation? A politician attacking an opponent in an election period? What a shocker!

Have you actually read the article?
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"The “lock ’em up & throw away the key” battle cry may suit a panicked politician in the middle of a general election campaign, but it isn’t going to keep us safe from another Usman Khan”

Justify that title
 
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SkyblueBazza

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 3, 2019
  • #4,759
skybluetony176 said:
No, I mean if you have to invent imaginary scenarios to win an argument you haven’t got an argument. It’s proper Harry Enfield character territory. Is that what you want because that’s what will happen. Yeah OK Angry Frank, or was it Lee and Lance. Either way.
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You're being a tit...many people use hypothetical examples to make a point. Even yourself I am sure.



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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 3, 2019
  • #4,760
SkyBlueDom26 said:
"The “lock ’em up & throw away the key” battle cry may suit a panicked politician in the middle of a general election campaign, but it isn’t going to keep us safe from another Usman Khan”

Justify that title
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So you didn’t read the article?

It’s not the title. It’s the final sentence of an argument about doing what works to deradicalise.
 
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