General Election 2019 thread

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  1. Liquid Gold

    Liquid Gold Well-Known Member

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    It's actually £24 so you're right I'm under costing it. Parking is free in London if you know where to look, outside of the congestion zone then get a tube, which I'd have to get off the train anyway.

    Even if going alone I'm saving £135.

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    Can you please explain to an idiot like me how this is cheaper. Please don't use big words.
     
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    I remember dropping my daughter in Nuneaton to go to Peterboro and checking the cost on line was £15 or so. Didn’t have time so turned up to buy the ticket and it was £30 at the counter. I said don’t be stupid and showed her the price on my phone. She couldn’t sell it me for that so I bought it and printed it off. That’s not right!

    today I travelled to Manchester and back for work. Ticket to and from Manchester about £70. Splitting the tickets so cov to stafford and stafford to manchester £30

    that’s not right

    Lots of savings to make on the trains with one price for each standard journey

    it’s the same with utilities. Why should companies make profits at the expense of the poorest and most vulnerable its a national disgrace
     
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    Is this work or pleasure
     
  4. Liquid Gold

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    Is this cheaper or more expensive?
     
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    well if it’s work the tax relief on the mileage is a huge profit which we as taxpayers will pay

    If it’s also work the rail fare is refunded isn’t it?

    So work or not?
     
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    So just checked business will pay £105 from the revenue so it’s £85 profit
     
  7. Liquid Gold

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    Good old subsidised rail travel.
     
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    Didn’t realise I’d stumbled onto Booking.com
     
  9. Grendel

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    No if you go with business I’m sure you’d agree it’s absurd that we should as taxpayers subsidise a private company

    why so coy what it is?
     
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    You do realise he by his calculations makes £80 tax free profit by car?
     
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    I haven't moved the goalposts at all. I backed you up in a way by clarifying it is not a part of the manifesto...and pointing out it IS actual Labour policy for now at least.

    You obviously have a problem with the truth just like Bojo.

    As for the "then it won't happen" - it seems it is that you must accept it as as much a lie as the numbers on the side of a bus, or the use of the words 'new nurses' when they aren't new at all.

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    Bloody hell, yet another Conservative leaflet through my door today. Never seen anything like it and nearly every single one is not bigging up the Tories, but telling me why I shouldn't vote for Corbyn.
     
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  13. Philosorapter

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    Oh, the splitting ticket fiasco.

    There's a whole website dedicated to this to find the cheapest travel.
     
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    I travel to London a lot. I can get a return for between £18-£27 if it is off peak.

    Peak hours or is about £57. That's me and my daughter, though her fee is next to nothing, because we have a Family and Friends railcard.
     
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    £190 single 2nd class for me to get to Coventry. Need to do some shopping about usually to get this down to acceptable levels.
     
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    The motion that passed urged the Labour Party to “set out a plan to achieve a standard four day or 32 hour gross week with no loss of pay within a decade”. That’s it. They urge them to set out a plan. How can that even be a lie?

    You seem to be confusing someone saying they’ll look into something with promising it’ll happen.
     
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    Allegedly coventry south going blue and geoffreys one in the balance
     
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    You're sighting one example in a much bigger network. It costs £33 peak /£23.40 off peak for a Manchester to Leeds return which is 40 miles. It is cheaper to drive even taking into account parking.
     
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    Its because their internal polling shows they are not far off the labour candidate - I don’t see it myself but the labour campaign is pretty non existent
     
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    Betting odds are going quite crazy for yesterday.

    They have Labour just a nose ahead in Coventry South whilst the Conservatives a nose ahead in Coventry North West.

    Just wondering if Jayne Innes spent the day in Coventry North West for the odds to move this way.
     
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    Never mind about that, Cov Telegraph have their finger on the pulse and know where it's at.

    'Here's Cov Live hustings’ for Coventry North West. Knowing Taiwo well, as I do, I can confirm she’d make a terrific Doctor Who.'
     
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    Did we find out their favourite colour?
     
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    Same colour as David Tennant, obviously.
     
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    Can't wait to see the turnout in Coventry for this election.
     
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    Well it is obviously useless talking with you. I provided you with a link to a Labour supporting news site that proudly proclaims "Everything Labour" which HAS said it is policy & no more on it suggesting it is a non-starter.

    If this were the Tories making some rash but more easily transparent 'policy' you would be all over it like a rash. So stop moaning at people like me trying provide some balance to your bias.

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    Mate. If you don’t understand the policy making process in the Labour Party that’s really not my issue. I quoted the text of the motion. A motion passing does not mean the PLP will implement it. And the motion “urges” the party to look into it. It’s right there.

    A conference motion isn’t binding. It’s an expression of the memberships will, but it’s down to the PLP to create the manifesto for government, not the membership. Labour aren’t the Greens.

    As I say there’s no equivalent in the Tory party because they aren’t democratic in policy making. The closest would be what some right wing think tank says and you are the first on here to defend that as not policy.

    You said you wouldn’t vote Labour because they have been urged to look into a four day week. I think that’s a ridiculous position but I respect it’s yours.
     
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    What kind of world do we live in where looking into whether it's feasible to improve workers' conditions is a vote loser...?
     
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    Think-tank versus motion passed at a party conference.

    Guess it is all about emphasis & context.

    I do understand the policy making process (though happily admit perhaps not fully) but I don't much care...same as the Tories. It is only the published manifesto that a government can be held account of.

    My take on it all is that all parties are too influenced by marketing principles in order to (they perceive) win votes rather than be fully honest about stuff. BUT they are to a greater or lesser degree ALL at it!

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    Well if Labour went through the same process & came up with a policy to abolish the armed forces. Are you saying people would just say it is irrelevant as it isn't actually in the manifesto? Or would they be concerned enough to vote for someone else?

    Some would, some wouldn't...personally, I would.

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    Right? “Bloody Labour trying to save me money and give me time with my loved ones”.
     
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    You know, when you have to start making up imaginary scenarios to make an argument you don’t really have an argument.
     
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    That’s been pretty much the entirety of the anti Labour argument. “But what if this bunch of mental scenarios happen?” Hardly ever “I don’t like this specific actual policy”.

    When did we become so anxious and cowed as a country?

    Weird how the bombastic buccaneering Brexit spirit goes missing and suddenly we’re a useless country that doesn’t deserve better and couldn’t achieve it if we wanted to.
     
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    They are doing something right then!
     
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    Hardly why people aren't going to vote labour is it, think there are many reasons
     
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    Lol Innes is a disaster area
     

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