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SkyBlueDom26

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  • Nov 27, 2019
  • #3,676
clint van damme said:
Man who bangs on about antisemitism links newspaper that used anti-Semitic tropes to attack the Milliband family during Ed and Davids Labour leadership contest. But he's not weaponising antisemitism for his own agenda- Honest!
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Fishing for likes again Clint
 

SkyBlueDom26

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 27, 2019
  • #3,677
Corbyn: Lower earners could pay more tax under Labour

Here we go Ian and all the other Corbyn lovers
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 27, 2019
  • #3,678
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Fishing for likes again Clint
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what's not true about my post?
 
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clint van damme

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  • Nov 27, 2019
  • #3,679
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Trump and Boris have already said the NHS will NOT be on the table, why is it so hard to understand
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and they're both renown for their honesty! Fucking hell mate, you're your own worse enemy at times.
 
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Otis

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  • Nov 27, 2019
  • #3,680
Liquid Gold said:
Pete Townshend said he was writing a book, that never happened either
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And OJ Simpson said he was going get people to investigate the gang that killed his ex-wife.
 

Otis

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  • Nov 27, 2019
  • #3,681
clint van damme said:
and they're both renown for their honesty! Fucking hell mate, you're your own worse enemy at times.
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True. Des anyone believe anything at all that comes out of Trump's mouth? Well, apart from him wanting to buy Greenland of course.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 27, 2019
  • #3,682
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Jeremy Corbyn fans admit interview with Andrew Neil 'horrific' | Daily Mail Online

How desperate can you get.... 'drown out' the reaction
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I back Boris 100%
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 27, 2019
  • #3,683
SkyBlueDom26 said:
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I see she’s let Cummings know her Twitter password again.
 
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SkyBlueDom26

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  • Nov 27, 2019
  • #3,684
shmmeee said:
I back Boris 100%
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Yeah ok shmmeee
 

shmmeee

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  • Nov 27, 2019
  • #3,685
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Grendel, they will never admit to Corbyn doing anything wrong and will always look for excuses... even after last nights car crash interview
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Multiple people in this thread: “Corbyn isn’t great, I have the following issues with him but still feel Labour are the best alternative”

You, a very stable genius: “They never admit Corbyn does anything wrong”
 

shmmeee

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  • Nov 27, 2019
  • #3,686
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Yeah ok shmmeee
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SkyBlueDom26

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  • Nov 27, 2019
  • #3,687
shmmeee said:
Multiple people in this thread: “Corbyn isn’t great, I have the following issues with him but still feel Labour are the best alternative”

You, a very stable genius: “They never admit Corbyn does anything wrong”
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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 27, 2019
  • #3,688
CCFCSteve said:
I won’t defend any politician for use of racist language. Johnson was an idiot to use that language in the article and yes, he should have apologised. As I’ve said before I don’t believe he’s a racist but only he will know, his language certainly hasn’t helped with people’s perception. I still haven’t read the whole article but understand it was defending women’s rights to wear the burka. If anyone has got it I’d like to read it (can’t find it anywhere and am not a telegraph reader - no comments please !!!)

I’ve also said previously that I don’t believe Corbyn is an anti Semite but if not his behaviour/handling of the matter is horrifically ill judged. the constant labour response of ‘but the torys are Islamophobes’ is not good enough. They are the party I would always have held in higher regard in respect of such issues. A slap of the wrists and warning letters is not what I (I’m not a blinkered Tory, I’ve voted for labour twice in there not too distant past) or others (including several labour MPs and peers) expect.

My genuine question is could anyone see a Jewish MP serving/being willing to serve in higher positions in a Labour shadow cabinet or cabinet with the way things currently are ?
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Fair post. I think Miliband has been offered SC positions before. He’s very popular in Corbynite circles could see him at Climate Change it similar.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Nov 27, 2019
  • #3,689
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Corbyn: Lower earners could pay more tax under Labour

Here we go Ian and all the other Corbyn lovers
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This is such a disingenuous take from the BBC. They’re removing married tax allowance. It’s £250/year at most and only helps if one of you isn’t working in my experience. It’s not likely to hit many low income people.

They should have been clearer about it but it’s a really desperate attack job.
 
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SkyBlueDom26

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  • Nov 27, 2019
  • #3,690
I wonder what we'll all be able to argue over once the election happens fellas
 

chiefdave

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  • Nov 27, 2019
  • #3,691
CCFCSteve said:
To be fair to Dom I think he was highlighting an example Neil gave last night regarding dividend income on a small pension (from memory - I’d need to check the transcript). The marriage allowance tax break removal is £250, again from memory - I don’t see this a major issue as I presume it’s a tax break for those well off as well as those lower down the income scale.
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How are they calculating £250 worse off?

From what I can see to get the £250 at the moment you'd need to be earning £11,250 or less. If someone is earning that on minimum wage then the day 1 increase in minimum wage proposed by Labour would increase their earnings to £13,703.

Once you factor in tax, NI and the marriage allowance that's a take home of £12,854 against £11,186 currently.

Does it only calculate as a loss in a very small subset who meet a specific criteria?
 
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shmmeee

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  • Nov 27, 2019
  • #3,692
SkyBlueDom26 said:
I wonder what we'll all be able to argue over once the election happens fellas
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Still another few years of Brexit left mate don’t worry.
 

Grendel

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  • Nov 27, 2019
  • #3,693
SkyBlueDom26 said:
I wonder what we'll all be able to argue over once the election happens fellas
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Well if Johnson wins it was Putin, Trump and Elvis from his double decker bus on the moon Wot Won It I’d imagine
 
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chiefdave

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  • Nov 27, 2019
  • #3,694
Grendel said:
Well if Johnson wins it was Putin, Trump and Elvis from his double decker bus on the moon Wot Won It I’d imagine
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If only someone had conducted a report on Russian interference that would put peoples minds at ease.
 
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SkyBlueDom26

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  • Nov 27, 2019
  • #3,695
shmmeee said:
Still another few years of Brexit left mate don’t worry.
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 27, 2019
  • #3,696
shmmeee said:
This is such a disingenuous take from the BBC. They’re removing married tax allowance. It’s £250/year at most and only helps if one of you isn’t working in my experience. It’s not likely to hit many low income people.

They should have been clearer about it but it’s a really desperate attack job.
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Even then if Labour get in and deliver their free broadband pledge based on the average cost of broadband being £30 a month the average household is going to be £360 better of a year or if you receive married tax allowance £110 a year.
 

SkyBlueDom26

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  • Nov 27, 2019
  • #3,697
Grendel said:
Well if Johnson wins it was Putin, Trump and Elvis from his double decker bus on the moon Wot Won It I’d imagine
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 27, 2019
  • #3,698
It seems that this is about more than the NHS. According to Global Justice Now

“The US pushing lower food standards on Britain post Brexit, including allowing imports of chlorine-washed chickens, less nutritional labelling on foods, and less protection for regional food like stilton cheese. The US offered to help the UK government ‘sell’ chlorine chicken to a sceptical British public and stated that parliamentary scrutiny of food standards is ‘unhelpful’.

The US banning any mention of climate change in a US-UK trade deal.

US officials threatening UK civil servants that they would undermine US trade talks if they supported certain EU positions in international forums.

The US suggesting a ‘corporate court system’ in a US-UK deal, which would allow big business to sue the British government, in secret and without appeal, for anything they regard as ‘unfair’. Recent similar cases have included suing governments for trying to phase out use of coal.

US officials pushing a far reaching proposals on the digital economy, giving big tech companies like Facebook, Google and Amazon sweeping freedoms to move and use our online data, which would make taxation and regulation of these companies more difficult and prohibit Labour proposals for a public broadband service.

Threats to public services like the NHS, via sweeping services liberalisation. The British government would need to exclude everything not subject to liberalisation in order to protect public services, while bringing formerly public services like the mail, or rail companies back into public ownership would be much harder.

US officials making a further threat to NHS in terms of medicine pricing policy, with special concern about Brits paying more for cancer medicines which the US feels Britain doesn’t pay enough for. Trade negotiators have received special lobbying from pharmaceutical corporations as part of the trade talks.

US officials demanding US experts and multinational corporations are able to participate in standard-setting in Britain post Brexit.

A promise by both sides to keep talks secret from the public.”

Explosive leaked trade papers show NHS, chlorinated chicken already on table in US trade talks
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 27, 2019
  • #3,699
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Corbyn: Lower earners could pay more tax under Labour

Here we go Ian and all the other Corbyn lovers
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Are you married Dim?
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 27, 2019
  • #3,700
skybluetony176 said:
A promise by both sides to keep talks secret from the public
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Always a sign that what's being said publicly is the truth.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 27, 2019
  • #3,701
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Are you married Dim?
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Are you going to ask him out?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 27, 2019
  • #3,702
chiefdave said:
How are they calculating £250 worse off?

From what I can see to get the £250 at the moment you'd need to be earning £11,250 or less. If someone is earning that on minimum wage then the day 1 increase in minimum wage proposed by Labour would increase their earnings to £13,703.

Once you factor in tax, NI and the marriage allowance that's a take home of £12,854 against £11,186 currently.

Does it only calculate as a loss in a very small subset who meet a specific criteria?
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It’s almost like the BBC is using ‘gotcha’ headlines from ‘gotcha’ questions posed by a poor Shrek tribute act
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 27, 2019
  • #3,703
Grendel said:
Are you going to ask him out?
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Yes but only if he wears ConDoms
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 27, 2019
  • #3,704
Brighton Sky Blue said:
It’s almost like the BBC is using ‘gotcha’ headlines from ‘gotcha’ questions posed by a poor Shrek tribute act
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Oh dear Andrew Neil is about the most respected political journalist there is. You do sound very silly.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 27, 2019
  • #3,705
SkyBlueDom26 said:
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Lies are bad, mmmmkay
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 27, 2019
  • #3,706
Grendel said:
Oh dear Andrew Neil is about the most respected political journalist there is. You do sound very silly.
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His performance last night wasn’t respectable.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 27, 2019
  • #3,707
chiefdave said:
Always a sign that what's being said publicly is the truth.
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I don’t even think that the NHS is going to be the most shocking thing to come out from this. The right for US companies to sue the British Government in secret with no course for appeal is unbelievable, yet true. Forget the NHS, what exactly can we trust this Tory government with?
 
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Grendel

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  • Nov 27, 2019
  • #3,708
Brighton Sky Blue said:
His performance last night wasn’t respectable.
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It really was - it does not matter if even only one person in the country below £80,000 pays one extra penny in income tax the fact is the strap line is a lie

It was superb journalism and interviewing
 

SkyBlueDom26

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 27, 2019
  • #3,709
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Lies are bad, mmmmkay
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clint van damme

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  • Nov 27, 2019
  • #3,710
Grendel said:
Well if Johnson wins it was Putin, Trump and Elvis from his double decker bus on the moon Wot Won It I’d imagine
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have you seen what the Spanish are claiming about he Catalan unrest - Russian interference! I never read the whole article so don't know how valid it is.
 
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