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  • Start date Apr 18, 2021
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robbiekeane

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 20, 2021
  • #806
Lol. What was supposed to be a power move and something to strengthen their position has just significant weakened their positions. Their nuclear option has now proven to be futile
 
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 20, 2021
  • #807
 
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robbiekeane

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 20, 2021
  • #808
God they're all just snakes aren't they. Even the fact that their announcements were at 10:59, 10:59, 10:58, and 10:57...just shows that they were all in agreement to announce it at 11pm but all didnt want to be the last and thought they would sneak in a minute or two early. Snakey snakey
 
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Great_Expectations

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 20, 2021
  • #809
Them pulling out, while the right thing, has almost pissed me off even more.

All that drama, hurt, emotion etc, for what? Things will now go back to normal and they’ll get away with it all. Maybe even be in a better position. There will likely be fan protests etc, but once it opens up again fans will be so desperate to watch live football it won by matter.

Joke of an idea, and I just want to see it reprimanded as such.
 
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tisza

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 20, 2021
  • #810
Time to rewrite the definition of fit and proper owners to keep these parasites out of football.
 
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Paul Anthony

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 20, 2021
  • #811
Let's hope it's been a lesson in humility for them (I don't think they even know the meaning of the word, but there you go)

Doesn't matter how big you think you are, no club is bigger than the sport. And there isn't a club on the planet that should be so quick to disregard their long term fans, especially with the kind of distain this lot showed.
 
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Frostie

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 20, 2021
  • #812
Not a hint of remorse.

Only a matter of time before there's some other kind of power play on the table

 
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Liquid Gold

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 20, 2021
  • #813
50+1 rule now
 
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Frostie

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 21, 2021
  • #814
Liquid Gold said:
50+1 rule now
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If it's to be throughout English football then we can't have the Sky Blue Trust anywhere near us though.
 
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Frostie

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 21, 2021
  • #815
Wtf!?


 

kg82

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 21, 2021
  • #816
Frostie said:
Wtf!?


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“The existing system does not work*”

*for us
 
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Barnsley

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 21, 2021
  • #817
Got to be honest, I’m gutted it turned out like this, I think the ESL would have been a good thing for English football, as long as the 6 were thrown out of the premier league, and that’s the way it was heading.

Now punish the bastards, £40k a week wage cap (once once current contracts are up), so basically start it in 4 years time, for the next 10 years, and any club found to be exploiting loopholes gets an extra 10 years.
 
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Macca

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 21, 2021
  • #818
What a farce, embarrassing. Though I have to say I agree with Barnsley would have been great without them
 
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tisza

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 21, 2021
  • #819
Still an exercise in greed. Most of these clubs' finances have been a mess for a while even before COVID and closed stadia.
wages out of control.
Raiola doing a tour of the Super League clubs a month ago (don't tell me he didn't know the plans) asking for nearly 800k a week wages for Haaland plus 20m a piece for him and the kid's dad. Pogba asking for 500k a week to stay at Its - he's basically done nothing for past few years.
For all the hype of massive wages the Chinese League imploded as the money just isn't there.
it does seem strange for all the talk of big money for this Super League that no media partners/deals were seemingly in place.
 
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Bugsy

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 21, 2021
  • #820
complete disaster from the gecko
 
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Sky Blue Harry H

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 21, 2021
  • #821
tisza said:
t does seem strange for all the talk of big money for this Super League that no media partners/deals were seemingly in place.
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made me wonder if they would set up their own TV company to snaffle all the income?
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 21, 2021
  • #822
chiefdave said:
Never seen fans so happy to not be in Europe!

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Good social distancing
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Apr 21, 2021
  • #823
Evo1883 said:
English football to fall in line with Germany and fans have a 51% stake in each club ???? One can only dream
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How can that work though?
 

SBAndy

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 21, 2021
  • #824
Having seen the Spurs statement, it very much reads as “we think it’s a good idea still and don’t know what the fuss is about”.
 
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mark82

Super Moderator
  • Apr 21, 2021
  • #825
Sky Blue Pete said:
How can that work though?
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It's unrealistic to think that clubs will just give up a 51% stake. Not going to happen.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 21, 2021
  • #826
SBAndy said:
Having seen the Spurs statement, it very much reads as “we think it’s a good idea still and don’t know what the fuss is about”.
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It is a good idea money wise but unfiltered capitalism is just greed.
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 21, 2021
  • #827
SBAndy said:
Having seen the Spurs statement, it very much reads as “we think it’s a good idea still and don’t know what the fuss is about”.
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A club who can't guarantee European football each season still thinks it's a good idea
 
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Hutch11

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 21, 2021
  • #828
While there's rich American and middle east owners this will never go away
It'll reappear in some other guise as soon as the fuss dies down.
The EPL are as culpable as anyone, selling their sole to the highest bidders
 
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Frostie

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 21, 2021
  • #829
SBAndy said:
Having seen the Spurs statement, it very much reads as “we think it’s a good idea still and don’t know what the fuss is about”.
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Bet they couldn't believe their luck at being invited.
 
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Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Apr 21, 2021
  • #830
SBAndy said:
Having seen the Spurs statement, it very much reads as “we think it’s a good idea still and don’t know what the fuss is about”.
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Man Utd's seems to read they'll keep looking for ways to do something similar.
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 21, 2021
  • #831
mark82 said:
It's unrealistic to think that clubs will just give up a 51% stake. Not going to happen.
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It was only introduced in the 90s in Germany wasn't it. How did they bring it in?
 

kg82

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 21, 2021
  • #832
Hutch11 said:
While there's rich American and middle east owners this will never go away
It'll reappear in some other guise as soon as the fuss dies down.
The EPL are as culpable as anyone, selling their sole to the highest bidders
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David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 21, 2021
  • #833

Boris Johnson says fans will be at centre of wider review of English football

UK minister Oliver Dowden promises to look at football governance after Super League fiasco
www.theguardian.com

Government still looking at Football Governance
 

Ccfcisparks

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 21, 2021
  • #834
Anyone seen John Henry's apology?
 

AOM

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 21, 2021
  • #835
Great_Expectations said:
Them pulling out, while the right thing, has almost pissed me off even more.

All that drama, hurt, emotion etc, for what? Things will now go back to normal and they’ll get away with it all. Maybe even be in a better position. There will likely be fan protests etc, but once it opens up again fans will be so desperate to watch live football it won by matter.

Joke of an idea, and I just want to see it reprimanded as such.
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Agreed, but I'm just glad FIFA/UEFA didn't hit the panic button straight away and make compromises for the teams involved for Champions League/Europa qualifications, etc
 

mark82

Super Moderator
  • Apr 21, 2021
  • #836
chiefdave said:
It was only introduced in the 90s in Germany wasn't it. How did they bring it in?
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They were mostly not-for-profit membership associations prior to that which didn't allow private ownership, so the 51% rule was essentially a relaxation that allowed some private ownership.
 
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Liquid Gold

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 21, 2021
  • #837
What about fan representation on the board which carries a veto on any matter. Can’t force owners to sell but can change the governance structure.
 

tisza

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 21, 2021
  • #838
SBAndy said:
Having seen the Spurs statement, it very much reads as “we think it’s a good idea still and don’t know what the fuss is about”.
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They would have been 2nd or 3rd class members of the league anyway. Likes of Utd, Real & Barca were going to get a much bigger slice of the pie.
 
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Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Apr 21, 2021
  • #839
Liquid Gold said:
What about fan representation on the board which carries a veto on any matter. Can’t force owners to sell but can change the governance structure.
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Vetos are dangerous - fans generally (not all, obviously!) aren't the experts in running a club, after all and, if you happen to have the wrong fan at that time...

Sell player to pay off immediate debt or nope, spunk a greater fortune going for it for a season!

The German system is probably ideal but, tbh, progress on where we are would be no one board member being able to own more than 25% of the shares, with a minimum 25% of shares being distributed to the fans. It doesn't stop cockups (we had similar under Richardson, McGinnity, Robinson!) but it does at least mean that shareholders have to be in agreement to a certain extent and, at least fans are aware of what's going down!

In an ideal world we'd limit loans to clubs, but de-restrict grants too. If a wealthy owner wants to give a club £eleventy billion they're welcome, it's when they want it back or take the ground as collateral, that's the danger. So... you need to protect grounds too...

Somewhere, you don't want to take away risk, or the ability of a wealthy benefactor buying their plaything. What you want to do is limit the use of a club for one individual or group's profit, and make the investment incentive sporting, rather than financial. The main problem is it's not easy to row back, and it's been shifting since the 1980s when clubs could list on the stock exchange, and the distribution of gates shifted more in favour of the home team.
 
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chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 21, 2021
  • #840
What can the government do to prevent things like this and get ownership in line. Could they legislate that money can't be extracted from clubs? You need to stop the sort of sums being taken out of clubs like Man Utd in dividends and interest payments but also be careful not to block access to borrowing when genuinely needed.

Could they bring in some sort of fan veto, presumably would have to be via trusts, would that even stand up legally?

I worry that its easy to shout 'governance' or 'fit and proper' but a lot harder, or even impossible, to put something in place. You have to fundamentally change the way clubs operate and essentially make them non-profits but we seem a million miles away from that.
 
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