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Mucca Mad Boys

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Might be a bit early to say but mcnultys team is most likely, unless Southgate bottles it and plays hendo ahead of Mainoo. I’d be happy with that unless a CB can come from somewhere

Southgate isn’t going to be bolder than that and nor should he need to be. Plenty of ability in that midfield and attack to unsettle any opposition
Mainoo is a talent and is certainly the future in that CM role. He’s played 20 professional games and it’s a risk to rely on him. Henderson offers value as a 3rd or 4th choice CM because of his experience and leadership qualities. Look at our experience with Kelly, he’s a valuable squad player even if his game time is limited.

Rice and Bellingham had to start somewhere though and Mainoo deserves a chance.
 

SBT

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Mainoo is a talent and is certainly the future in that CM role. He’s played 20 professional games and it’s a risk to rely on him. Henderson offers value as a 3rd or 4th choice CM because of his experience and leadership qualities. Look at our experience with Kelly, he’s a valuable squad player even if his game time is limited.

Rice and Bellingham had to start somewhere though and Mainoo deserves a chance.
Madness is thinking Henderson should be in over Mainoo.
Henderson absolutely should be in the squad for the reasons listed above. I didn’t know whether Mainoo would be up to it, but credit to the lad, he’s shown he absolutely deserves to be there too.
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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He played very well on Tuesday.

It was better, but taking out Kane, Saka and Bellingham and we really do goals in the team. I want to see Foden score more for England because he’s a fine player, I just think Rashford is potentially better fit if he’s on form.
 

Otis

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Surprised Maddison only got 16 minutes across the 2 games. Both games were crying out for his creativity. I get the feeling he’ll miss out on the squad if Grealish is fit (unless the squad size is increased to 26).
Doesn't it have to be 23 for the tournament? Or have I got that wrong?
 

Otis

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Doesn't it have to be 23 for the tournament? Or have I got that wrong?
Yeah, just checked. It has to be cut to 23, which worries me a little, because isn't GS more likely to go with the experience of Henderson rather than the likes of Mainoo?

More of a gamble to include wild cards and those of lesser experience.

Not going to be many spare places to fill is there, because all the regulars will surely be there.
 

David O'Day

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Henderson absolutely should be in the squad for the reasons listed above. I didn’t know whether Mainoo would be up to it, but credit to the lad, he’s shown he absolutely deserves to be there too.
It's madness to want to include someone is failing already at Ajax and now lacks anything that made him a serviceable player back in the day.

If he isn't a goof enough footballer then he has no right being in any squad.
 

Otis

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There’s a meeting next month where the managers will request squads get increased to 26 (from what I read this morning) due to injuries, no of games. No guarantee that they’ll get their way though.
Be good if that is agreed upon.

23 is quite a small squad size I feel.

I know we always do it, and I guess other countries too, but I wish we wouldn't take 3 keepers to every tournament.

I wonder how often anyone has ever had to use 3 keepers?

2 should be sufficient. 3 out of 23 sounds a bit bonkers to me.
 

SBT

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It's madness to want to include someone is failing already at Ajax and now lacks anything that made him a serviceable player back in the day.

If he isn't a goof enough footballer then he has no right being in any squad.
By what metric is he failing at Ajax?
 

SBAndy

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Be good if that is agreed upon.

23 is quite a small squad size I feel.

I know we always do it, and I guess other countries too, but I wish we wouldn't take 3 keepers to every tournament.

I wonder how often anyone has ever had to use 3 keepers?

2 should be sufficient. 3 out of 23 sounds a bit bonkers to me.

Stipulated in the squad rules - has to be 3 keepers. It’s daft to be honest, and they should scrap it. There’s your squad size, fill it as you wish. If that means an outfield player ends up in goal v France then even better.
 

Otis

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Stipulated in the squad rules - has to be 3 keepers. It’s daft to be honest, and they should scrap it. There’s your squad size, fill it as you wish. If that means an outfield player ends up in goal v France then even better.
Definitely.

Didn't know it was a laid down rule. Sounds bonkers doesn't it.

23 players. Pick who you want.
 

Evo1883

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Behind Kane, he’s an our best player and I’m not sure why people would want him playing as an ‘8’ with more defensive capabilities. He’s better than Madison, Foden, Palmer and anyone else who’d play AM for England.

Our defence is a weak point so as much criticism as Southgate gets for his insistence on playing the double pivot, it’s the right choice for this team.

Foden is exceptional for Man City but calls for him to play centrally are wrong. He’s not impressed there for England yet. If Rashford finds good form at Man U, he gets the LW berth ahead of Foden. Despite this, I do think Foden is a better player than Rashford overall - we need more goals in our team outside Kane, Bellingham and Saka.

Foden has scored 21 goals at city this season and looks unreal in the 10 role , yea bellingham has 20 at Madrid but they aren't as good as city are they ?

Better to fit them both in and if that means playing jude as an 8 next to rice then so be it
 

Otis

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Foden has scored 21 goals at city this season and looks unreal in the 10 role , yea bellingham has 20 at Madrid but they aren't as good as city are they ?

Better to fit them both in and if that means playing jude as an 8 next to rice then so be it
I would definitely choose Foden over Rashford.

His energy is better and his tackling and tracking back is better.
 

SBT

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Foden has scored 21 goals at city this season and looks unreal in the 10 role , yea bellingham has 20 at Madrid but they aren't as good as city are they ?

Better to fit them both in and if that means playing jude as an 8 next to rice then so be it
It’s an interesting shout but generally speaking you try not to play your best players out of their best positions just to accommodate inferior ones. Yes, Bellingham can do a job anywhere in the midfield, he’s that talented. In his best role (at 10) he can be a match-winner against any opposition. Can we say the same about Foden yet?
 

Otis

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It’s an interesting shout but generally speaking you try not to play your best players out of their best positions just to accommodate inferior ones. Yes, Bellingham can do a job anywhere in the midfield, he’s that talented. In his best role (at 10) he can be a match-winner against any opposition. Can we say the same about Foden yet?
Not quite for England yet
 

Evo1883

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It’s an interesting shout but generally speaking you try not to play your best players out of their best positions just to accommodate inferior ones. Yes, Bellingham can do a job anywhere in the midfield, he’s that talented. In his best role (at 10) he can be a match-winner against any opposition. Can we say the same about Foden yet?
I think foden had accomplished far more than jude by 20 years of age , premier league winner twice , champions league runner up , fa cup etc
 

SBT

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I think foden had accomplished far more than jude by 20 years of age , premier league winner twice , champions league runner up , fa cup etc
He’s a wonderful player playing for a dominant team, no doubt. But you’re answering a different question to the one I asked.
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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Foden has scored 21 goals at city this season and looks unreal in the 10 role , yea bellingham has 20 at Madrid but they aren't as good as city are they ?

Better to fit them both in and if that means playing jude as an 8 next to rice then so be it
Conveniently raised after he overtakes Bellingham’s tally from last night.

The issue you could have with Bellingham, Foden and Kane playing centrally is that they all like to occupy the space a number 10 likes to operate. One of those players performances will likely suffer. With a weak defence, giving Foden and Bellingham more defensive responsibility, to me, isn’t a sensible idea.

Personally, playing Foden on the left makes the most sense because Bellingham and Kane are already top performers in their roles for England. Despite Foden’s Man City form, that hasn’t transferred over to the England setup yet.

On the flip side, it would be nice if we could emulate France’s 2018 setup - Bellingham and Rice being our answer to prime Pogba and Kante. Although Matuidi (a left footed DM) played LM to accommodate that despite France’s embarrassment of talent on the wings.
 

Evo1883

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Conveniently raised after he overtakes Bellingham’s tally from last night.

The issue you could have with Bellingham, Foden and Kane playing centrally is that they all like to occupy the space a number 10 likes to operate. One of those players performances will likely suffer. With a weak defence, giving Foden and Bellingham more defensive responsibility, to me, isn’t a sensible idea.

Personally, playing Foden on the left makes the most sense because Bellingham and Kane are already top performers in their roles for England. Despite Foden’s Man City form, that hasn’t transferred over to the England setup yet.

On the flip side, it would be nice if we could emulate France’s 2018 setup - Bellingham and Rice being our answer to prime Pogba and Kante. Although Matuidi (a left footed DM) played LM to accommodate that despite France’s embarrassment of talent on the wings.

I raised the issue before hence why were having the chat , Bellingham as an 8 that gets forward whilst having foden centrally seems like the best outcome for me .
 

Sky Blue Pete

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Rice is one of the first names on the team sheet these days isn't. Been so impressed with him for England.

It has to be Bellingham and Rice, whatever. Others to fit in around those two
Kasey palmer looking good for a squad place
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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I raised the issue before hence why were having the chat , Bellingham as an 8 that gets forward whilst having foden centrally seems like the best outcome for me .

Every England fan knows how to win a World Cup after 3 pints, the old saying goes.

Who’s playing out on the left?
Would Rice get isolated on his own in midfield?
Does the defence have sufficient cover?

If Bellingham plays as an 8, we’re probably going to play 3-4-3, which may have the benefit of fitting in TAA. Either way, Foden gets shifted out to the left.

International football is slower, a more tactical and defensive in its nature and a lot of England fans seem to think we can play 5 attacking players without compromising
 

SBT

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The issue you could have with Bellingham, Foden and Kane playing centrally is that they all like to occupy the space a number 10 likes to operate. One of those players performances will likely suffer.
It’s a weapons-grade hot take, and obviously there’s no way you’re dropping him even if it’s right, but I have sometimes wondered if Kane is one of the problems stopping England from being the free-flowing dominant side we think they should be. Scores boatloads of goals for England, Spurs and now Bayern, but none of those teams ever win anything….
 

Evo1883

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Every England fan knows how to win a World Cup after 3 pints, the old saying goes.

Who’s playing out on the left?
Would Rice get isolated on his own in midfield?
Does the defence have sufficient cover?

If Bellingham plays as an 8, we’re probably going to play 3-4-3, which may have the benefit of fitting in TAA. Either way, Foden gets shifted out to the left.

International football is slower, a more tactical and defensive in its nature and a lot of England fans seem to think we can play 5 attacking players without compromising
Well Stan collymore said similar this morning too tbh , he's not a fan after 3 pints
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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It’s a weapons-grade hot take, and obviously there’s no way you’re dropping him even if it’s right, but I have sometimes wondered if Kane is one of the problems stopping England from being the free-flowing dominant side we think they should be. Scores boatloads of goals for England, Spurs and now Bayern, but none of those teams ever win anything….
Well, given our performances without Kane in the latest friendlies and North Macedonia… I’d say that’s wrong.

Spurs have never been capable of winning the league or trophies and Bayern are a team on a downward trajectory from Pep’s days. They’ll probably end up winning the league next year and Kane finally wins a league title.

Leverkusen have been fantastic this year but I wouldn’t bet on them going back to back.
 

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