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Skyblueabo1111

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  • Today at 12:20 PM
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SHUNT31 said:
Exactly this! We are much more dominant when he’s not playing. There’s a reason he didn’t play in the playoffs and it is nothing to do with appearances.

He puts us under so much pressure against the better sides as nothing sticks to him and in turn we get pinned in. Boro at home perfect example of this. We were under the cosh second half and couldn’t get out our half.
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How did that go?
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Today at 12:20 PM
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TomRad85 said:
He wasn't just getting 9,10 minute appearances?

Also, i don't want strikers on the way down like Morris and Moore but i'm not sure what you are basing Simms being better than them on? At least those players have a presence, Simms offers nothing.
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Better non-penalty goal MPG.
 
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SHUNT31

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  • Today at 12:21 PM
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Mucca Mad Boys said:
I have and in 23/24 he scored more open play goals than Haji. His job is to score goals, doesn’t matter if it’s a rocket of a tap in. Before that ‘purple patch’ Robins was rotating with Godden and Simms so was disrupting both players to be honest.

People will point out that he scored 2 hattricks against weak opposition, Haji played in the same games and didn’t score.
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Haji played on the left for a large portion of that. Better way would be to look at big chances missed and % conversion rate, but you wouldn’t want to do that as it would highlight Simms being one of the worst strikers in the whole league.
 

TomRad85

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  • Today at 12:21 PM
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Mucca Mad Boys said:
Better non-penalty goal MPG.
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Simms has never been a better Championship striker than Moore or Morris.
 

SHUNT31

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  • Today at 12:21 PM
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Skyblueabo1111 said:
How did that go?
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He came off and BTA secured us the points by outmuscling a defender, running half the length of the pitch and then laying the ball off for Rudoni.

Something Simms would NEVER be able to do
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Today at 12:22 PM
  • #1,231
SHUNT31 said:
Exactly this! We are much more dominant when he’s not playing. There’s a reason he didn’t play in the playoffs and it is nothing to do with appearances.

He puts us under so much pressure against the better sides as nothing sticks to him and in turn we get pinned in. Boro at home perfect example of this. We were under the cosh second half and couldn’t get out our half.
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I’m airballing this now, but our record with Simms is actually probably better than without.
 

SHUNT31

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  • Today at 12:23 PM
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Mucca Mad Boys said:
Better non-penalty goal MPG.
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You are a Simmp

He will leave on a free at the end of his contract and will never get a contract as good as he has got now.
 
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TomRad85

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  • Today at 12:24 PM
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Anyway, Lampard clearly doesn't rate him. Hopefully he can ship him out as soon as possible and put an end to this... its almost like arguing with the Wilson crew at this point.
 
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SHUNT31

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  • Today at 12:24 PM
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Mucca Mad Boys said:
I’m airballing this now, but our record with Simms is actually probably better than without.
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In spite of, not because of.

Our record in 23/24 without Sheaf was better than with but are you going to say Kelly and Eccles are/were better players?
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Today at 12:27 PM
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SHUNT31 said:
Haji played on the left for a large portion of that. Better way would be to look at big chances missed and % conversion rate, but you wouldn’t want to do that as it would highlight Simms being one of the worst strikers in the whole league.
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Vik has the highest big chances missed and a low % conversion rate. Does that apply him too?

Actually, Simms out performed his xG in 23/24 whereas Haji didn’t. 24/25 was obviously bad season for Simms which again, is why he gets this season to make an impact before we move him on.

Idk if you were one, but many people on here argued LW was Haji’s best position so why would it matter if he scored less goals?

Simms has played 12 minutes all season in games we won 5-3 and 7-1 and the games all but won. The fact this thread is so excitable is strange.

Go and talk about how great Haji, Rudoni and Torp were. If you’re going to moan about something, go and moan about the 6 set piece goals we’ve conceded.
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Today at 12:29 PM
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SHUNT31 said:
In spite of, not because of.

Our record in 23/24 without Sheaf was better than with but are you going to say Kelly and Eccles are/were better players?
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No, but I know someone who does @Earlsdon_Skyblue1.

You said we look better without Simms so you’d expect a marked difference. There isn’t and it’s potentially the opposite.
 

Herb70

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  • Today at 12:30 PM
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SHUNT31

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  • Today at 12:30 PM
  • #1,238
Mucca Mad Boys said:
Vik has the highest big chances missed and a low % conversion rate. Does that apply him too?

Actually, Simms out performed his xG in 23/24 whereas Haji didn’t. 24/25 was obviously bad season for Simms which again, is why he gets this season to make an impact before we move him on.

Idk if you were one, but many people on here argued LW was Haji’s best position so why would it matter if he scored less goals?

Simms has played 12 minutes all season in games we won 5-3 and 7-1 and the games all but won. The fact this thread is so excitable is strange.

Go and talk about how great Haji, Rudoni and Torp were. If you’re going to moan about something, go and moan about the 6 set piece goals we’ve conceded.
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It’s a forum pal. To discuss things. The discussion is Simms is not good enough and stats back this up.

The only argument I had for Wright to be LW is that I don’t think he’s particularly good with his back to goal consistently enough but he’s still our best ST by a long way.

I would have Haji on one leg over Simms because if he is not scoring, chances are he’s making something happen.
 

procdoc

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  • Today at 12:31 PM
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We are a better team without Simms. I have eyes and a brain. Look how much more fluid we were on Tuesday when Wright came on
 
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SHUNT31

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  • Today at 12:32 PM
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Mucca Mad Boys said:
No, but I know someone who does @Earlsdon_Skyblue1.

You said we look better without Simms so you’d expect a marked difference. There isn’t and it’s potentially the opposite.
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Not really. There’s so many factors at play that you cannot judge a player based on a team performance.

Ben Wilson got a golden glove in 22/23, was he the best keeper in the league? I doubt he would have been top 10.
 

Evo1883

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  • Today at 12:32 PM
  • #1,241
Mucca Mad Boys said:
Vik has the highest big chances missed and a low % conversion rate. Does that apply him too?

Actually, Simms out performed his xG in 23/24 whereas Haji didn’t. 24/25 was obviously bad season for Simms which again, is why he gets this season to make an impact before we move him on.

Idk if you were one, but many people on here argued LW was Haji’s best position so why would it matter if he scored less goals?

Simms has played 12 minutes all season in games we won 5-3 and 7-1 and the games all but won. The fact this thread is so excitable is strange.

Go and talk about how great Haji, Rudoni and Torp were. If you’re going to moan about something, go and moan about the 6 set piece goals we’ve conceded.
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Vik offered us so much more though , he had 15 championship assists for us alone which is almost as many as Simms has scored for us in the league
 
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SHUNT31

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  • Today at 12:34 PM
  • #1,242
Evo1883 said:
Vik offered us so much more though , he had 15 championship assists for us alone which is almost as many as Simms has scored for us in the league
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Comparing Vik and Simms is absolutely wild btw
 
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Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Today at 12:35 PM
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Evo1883 said:
Vik offered us so much more though , he had 15 championship assists for us alone which is almost as many as Simms has scored for us in the league
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Then clearly that metric in of itself does not make you a bad striker. I’m pretty sure Haaland leads the prem in big chances missed and his conversion rate quite low.
 

Evo1883

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  • Today at 12:38 PM
  • #1,244
Mucca Mad Boys said:
Then clearly that metric in of itself does not make you a bad striker. I’m pretty sure Haaland leads the prem in big chances missed and his conversion rate quite low.
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Ellis simms all round game is absolutely dog shit when compared with viks and hajis .

Sorry
 
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DT-R

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  • Today at 12:45 PM
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Mucca Mad Boys said:
Then clearly that metric in of itself does not make you a bad striker. I’m pretty sure Haaland leads the prem in big chances missed and his conversion rate quite low.
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You dont need stats to tell you how poor a footballer Ellis Simms is.
Hes a nice guy, but to get this far in to a professional career with his talent, he's done very well for himself. He might find a L1/L2 club that'll pay him a few grand a week and make a half decent living, but he's not good enough for the championship. And stats wont convince me otherwise.

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Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Today at 12:47 PM
  • #1,246
Evo1883 said:
Ellis simms all round game is absolutely dog shit when compared with viks and hajis .

Sorry
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Both players are obviously a lot better Simms that was never a serious point of contention

If you’re going to say ‘x’ stat makes you ‘the worst striker’ in the league and arguably our best striker ever had similar stats… either the statement is untrue or you’re not measuring players equally.

People don’t like Simms but at the end of the day, he’s a sub. I’m more interested in the starters. Haji got injured in 24/25 pretty badly but still played 29 games and in 23/24 played 44 games in the league.

Haji is up there with the best strikers in our division, probably a Top 3 striker so I’m worried about that position. I am worried that we don’t have enough wingers and were forced into a formation change or playing players in suboptimal positions.

One of the starting wingers was outscored and shot less than a CB!
 
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Skyblueabo1111

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  • Today at 12:51 PM
  • #1,247
SHUNT31 said:
He came off and BTA secured us the points by outmuscling a defender, running half the length of the pitch and then laying the ball off for Rudoni.

Something Simms would NEVER be able to do
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In the playoffs?
 

Grendel

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  • Today at 12:51 PM
  • #1,248
Mucca Mad Boys said:
Both players are obviously a lot better Simms that was never a serious point of contention

If you’re going to say ‘x’ stat makes you ‘the worst striker’ in the league and arguably our best striker ever had similar stats… either the statement is untrue or you’re not measuring players equally.

People don’t like Simms but at the end of the day, he’s a sub. I’m more interested in the starters. Haji got injured in 24/25 pretty badly but still played 29 games and in 23/24 played 44 games in the league.

Haji is up there with the best strikers in our division, probably a Top 3 striker so I’m worried about that position. I am worried that we don’t have enough wingers and were forced into a formation change or playing players in suboptimal positions.

One of the starting wingers was outscored and shot less than a CB!
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Simms scored one more league goal than said centre back
 
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fatso

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  • Today at 12:51 PM
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SHUNT31 said:
It’s a forum pal. To discuss things. The discussion is Simms is not good enough and stats back this up.

The only argument I had for Wright to be LW is that I don’t think he’s particularly good with his back to goal consistently enough but he’s still our best ST by a long way.

I would have Haji on one leg over Simms because if he is not scoring, chances are he’s making something happen.
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The only opinion that matters a fuck is Lampard's, and he ain't playing him.

I think we all need to bow to Frank's far better judgment

Im sure there's people on here who just want to argue the toss about anything, but there's a reason he isnt playing, and its the same reason we cant find a buyer.
 
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SHUNT31

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  • Today at 12:53 PM
  • #1,250
Skyblueabo1111 said:
In the playoffs?
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I said Boro tbf. Maybe you need to be clearer which point you were responding to. Although my point stands.
 

SHUNT31

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  • Today at 12:54 PM
  • #1,251
Grendel said:
Simms scored one more league goal than said centre back
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But Thomas played more minutes…..
 
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Speedie's Head

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  • Today at 12:54 PM
  • #1,252
clint van damme said:
One things for sure, he definitely can't play in our current formation.
He needs to go somewhere more suited.

If his agents scoped out his options and no-one is willing to offer what he's on here so he's going to see it out then I don't blame him but you can't blame supporters for getting frustrated with him either.
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Who is his agent? He's letting him down I think, I'd have had Ellis out in the summer in his shoes but maybe his personality leads him to sticking with what he knows.
 

SHUNT31

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  • Today at 12:57 PM
  • #1,253
Speedie's Head said:
Who is his agent? He's letting him down I think, I'd have had Ellis out in the summer in his shoes but maybe his personality leads him to sticking with what he knows.
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No one will pay him the wages he’s on now in reality.

He would be looking at Preston, Charlton level. And they won’t pay it so we’ll be stuck with him unless he magically improves 10 fold overnight.
 
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Skyblueabo1111

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  • Today at 12:57 PM
  • #1,254
SHUNT31 said:
I said Boro tbf. Maybe you need to be clearer which point you were responding to. Although my point stands
SHUNT31 said:
I said Boro tbf. Maybe you need to be clearer which point you were responding to. Although my point stands.
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I did ask about the play offs, how did that go? I bet that was Simms fault , as well!
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SHUNT31

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  • Today at 1:01 PM
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No one blames Simms for the playoffs. How could they when he didn’t play a minute. Surely that tells you all you Simmps need to know? Regardless, result would have still been the same.

If FL, who sees him train everyday isn’t giving him game time, then he doesn’t rate him. I’m glad my eyes align with the judgement of a footballing legend and not the Simmps on SBT.
 
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Speedie's Head

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  • Today at 1:03 PM
  • #1,256
SHUNT31 said:
No one will pay him the wages he’s on now in reality.

He would be looking at Preston, Charlton level. And they won’t pay it so we’ll be stuck with him unless he magically improves 10 fold overnight.
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Any club in the Championship parking the bus and playing quickly on the break would really suit him, I think. It should do anyway! Look how he destroyed the likes of Rotherham and Maidstone that season. He seems to need a bit of time and space around him. I think we'll see more of these tactics a bit like Forest last season too.
 
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Skyblueabo1111

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  • Today at 1:08 PM
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SHUNT31 said:
No one blames Simms for the playoffs. How could they when he didn’t play a minute. Surely that tells you all you Simmps need to know? Regardless, result would have still been the same.

If FL, who sees him train everyday isn’t giving him game time, then he doesn’t rate him. I’m glad my eyes align with the judgement of a footballing legend and not the Simmps on SBT.
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He didn't play, how do you know, the result would have been the same? Bizarre comment.
 

Grendel

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  • Today at 1:14 PM
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Speedie's Head said:
Any club in the Championship parking the bus and playing quickly on the break would really suit him, I think. It should do anyway! Look how he destroyed the likes of Rotherham and Maidstone that season. He seems to need a bit of time and space around him. I think we'll see more of these tactics a bit like Forest last season too.
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The colossus Fabio Tavares managed 3 goals against Maidstone and Rotherham
 
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wingy

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  • Today at 1:17 PM
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Evo1883 said:
Are you as angry at lampard as you are with us , because frank clearly doesnt rate him
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I am tbf!
 
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Calista

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  • Today at 1:44 PM
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Pretty sure the person that suggested "taking the forum down" actually just meant this thread? (Quite silly nonetheless!)

Anyway FWIW I think centre forward is probably the most difficult job on the pitch, and players continue to grow into it well into their late 20's or even 30's. IMO Simms isn't remotely as poor as some of the belittling comments on here suggest. He's capable of bringing much more to the table than we've seen so far, including a lot of goals, if we can rediscover the formula to unlock him. People talk about his "purple patch" as if it was an unrepeatable freak - why not talk about getting that out of him consistently? I'd be disappointed if he was moved on.
 
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