Ellis simms (10 Viewers)

[Skyblueabo1111]

Hopefully some also-ran club decides he's worth a risk as a late window panic buy so we can stop having these conversations about a player who clearly isn't good enough.
Footballers are paid a lot, fans talk about them when they aren't good. I don't agree with going to players personal accounts or tagging them, its the sign of an absolute dickhead... but we can discuss whatever the hell we want on here. We've discussed loads of crap players, i'm not sure why people are so tetchy about Simms compared to ones that have gone before him to be honest, its very we

Hopefully some also-ran club decides he's worth a risk as a late window panic buy so we can stop having these conversations about a player who clearly isn't good enough.
Footballers are paid a lot, fans talk about them when they aren't good. I don't agree with going to players personal accounts or tagging them, its the sign of an absolute dickhead... but we can discuss whatever the hell we want on here. We've discussed loads of crap players, i'm not sure why people are so tetchy about Simms compared to ones that have gone before him to be honest, its very weird.

What's weird is,continuing to slag a player off 5 games into a season, when he has only played twice and scored a goal, that won a game.

 

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[Grendel]

I'm not angry, just don't like constant bullying of one player. Frank doesn't like Basette either. Perhaps start a new thread about him. He is a youngish lad, as well. Go on, you can trash him, as well. Or Obikwu, Franks not playing him either!

He is 24 the same age as Bobby Thomas - he has played nearly 200 games

 

[Skyblueabo1111]

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He is 24 the same age as Bobby Thomas - he has played nearly 200 games

Thought you just did stats Grendel?

 

[Grendel]

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hougjt you just did stats Grendel?

That is a stat

 

[TomRad85]

'Football Fans In Calling Shit Striker, Shit, Shocker' - Critics demand Forum be taken down citing hate speech laws.

 

[Skyblueabo1111]

That is a stat

Done the Assante/ Simms stat yet? Or ignoring that?

 

[Evo1883]

I'm not angry, just don't like constant bullying of one player. Frank doesn't like Basette either. Perhaps start a new thread about him. He is a youngish lad, as well. Go on, you can trash him, as well. Or Obikwu, Franks not playing him either!

Plenty of criticism of Norman on here

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

If SImms is any good clubs would want to buy him. Lampard does not rate him. To suggest otherwise is foolish - he said after the last game the fringe players did nothing to impress. We need a striker whose cost a lot of money to be far more than a guy not coming on until 10 minutes before the end

What are your expectations from a player coming off the bench? There won’t be many players who get to 5 goals as a sub.

It’s an exercise of priority. Is Simms or BTA a worse sub than Rapha? If not, wingers need to prioritised.

Lampard has said we don’t have CBs or wingers given that our formation we play 2 of each, we actually need players in that position. Given that we have 3 CBs (one being injured), the alternative 5-3-2 looks dicey too.

We can keep talking about Simms, but Sakamoto as a starting winger scored less than Simms and our CB in Thomas. BTA already has 50% of Sakamoto’s 24/25 tally playing RW.

My view on Simms is that he’s got this season to sort things out and get back to his 2023/24 form. If he can’t, move him on. There are other higher priority positions that need to be addressed by Monday/Jan.

 

[Grendel]

Done the Assante/ Simms stat yet? Or ignoring that?

I am not ignoring anything. Simms started 7 of the games and was withdrawn in the Derby debacle. He scored 4 of his 6 goals in that spell and scored 2 in the other 36 games - he scored 2 in the first 24 games of the season.

What I think you are attempting to do is make some case for two centre forwards to start

Its never going to happen so Simms as the stats prove is incapable of working in the preferred formation

 

[clint van damme]

What are your expectations from a player coming off the bench?

That he can control a ball.

 

[DT-R]

Threatening violence now. No suprise.

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[Mucca Mad Boys]

That he can control a ball.

That was more any old player to be fair. If Haji is playing 70 minutes minimum, what do we expect from this new, unnamed striker.

If he scores 2-3 goals in 20-30 sub appearances, will people consider him rubbish? Probably.

 

[clint van damme]

That was more any old player to be fair. If Haji is playing 70 minutes minimum, what do we expect from this new, unnamed striker.

If he scores 2-3 goals in 20-30 sub appearances, will people consider him rubbish? Probably.

I get the goal thing, but Simms all round performances are poor and he doesn't do any of the basics well, in fact, he's regressed quite badly, (maybe due to lack of minutes).

 

[TomRad85]

I get the goal thing, but Simms all round performances are poor and he doesn't do any of the basics well, in fact, he's regressed quite badly, (maybe due to lack of minutes).

Did Simms have a lack of minutes last season? Seemed like he played quite a bit, especially with injuries to others.

 

[skybluecam]

I get the goal thing, but Simms all round performances are poor and he doesn't do any of the basics well, in fact, he's regressed quite badly, (maybe due to lack of minutes).

Yeah the biggest thing for me about Simms is that he doesn't offer much in terms of bringing others into play because his touch is so bad.

Said in another thread an experienced target man would be a good option for us.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

I get the goal thing, but Simms all round performances are poor and he doesn't do any of the basics well, in fact, he's regressed quite badly, (maybe due to lack of minutes).

It will be down minutes. The one good productive spell for BTA and Simms last year is when they both started upfront in a 5-3-2.

He’s been a non-factor in the league and he was shit against Millwall. The supporting cast was also just as bad.

I wouldn’t give up on him yet, people gave up on BTA before the season started and he’s changed minds scoring 2 goals in 2 games. That’s all it took. On Simms, he’s got this season to sort it out before considering getting rid.

To reiterate, there are just high priority areas on the pitch that need addressing. I’ve said this all season, was pilloried at times and we’re not even in September and already playing players out of position because we’re running out of wingers.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Did Simms have a lack of minutes last season? Seemed like he played quite a bit, especially with injuries to others.

The total minutes worked out to around 26 or 27 games last season.

 

[rob9872]

Simms total record with us in the league 19 in 91, scored in 14 games. 77 games out of 91 he didnt score. As a caveat, 15-20 of those were as a sub. I don't have the stats of when he was up top on his own versus playing in a 2 but I suspect the levels are even lower. Last season was appalling.

My issue is that he's a big lad and doesn't use it. If he held the ball up and brought others into play or had explosive speed or timed his jumps for headers, then we've seen in the past with strikers like Cyrille that you don't need to be prolific, but for me when Simms isn't scoring he offers nothing. Even a bit of indiscipline to put himself about or jump with his elbows etc as we see others doing against our guys.

He's also bland. I don't want to hold his personality against him as it won't be deemed fair or relevant (you don't want too many clowns like Wilson or MVE too), but his lack of charisma and the way he carries himself doesn't help imo. At first I thought he was just laid back or shy, but there is a character flaw for a team sport that prevents him expressing himself and that translates on the pitch too.

 

[TomRad85]

The total minutes worked out to around 26 or 27 games last season.

That's quite a lot really, more than most 'sub' strikers would get. He also definitely wasn't bought as a sub given his cost.

 

[rob9872]

The total minutes worked out to around 26 or 27 games last season.

A lot of the time taken off after an hour for being ineffective, though. It skews it to do it in total minutes. He played 43 out of 46 league games.

 

[procdoc]

Simms total record with us in the league 19 in 91, scored in 14 games. 77 games out of 91 he didnt score. As a caveat, 15-20 of those were as a sub. I don't have the stats of when he was up top on his own versus playing in a 2 but I suspect the levels are even lower. Last season was appalling.

My issue is that he's a big lad and doesn't use it. If he held the ball up and brought others into play or had explosive speed or timed his jumps for headers, then we've seen in the past with strikers like Cyrille that you don't need to be prolific, but for me when Simms isn't scoring he offers nothing. Even a bit of indiscipline to put himself about or jump with his elbows etc as we see others doing against our guys.

He's also bland. I don't want to hold his personality against him as it won't be deemed fair or relevant (you don't want too many clowns like Wilson or MVE too), but his lack of charisma and the way he carries himself doesn't help imo. At first I thought he was just laid back or shy, but there is a character flaw for a team sport that prevents him expressing himself and that translates on the pitch too.

Simms has no swagger. Wright is also a chilled out guy but he has a certain swagger when playing well

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

That's quite a lot really, more than most 'sub' strikers would get. He also definitely wasn't bought as a sub given his cost.

6 goals in 26-27 games is good. It’s better than some of the alternatives people put forward like Moore and Morris etc.

Of course 9, 10 minute appearances equates to 90m but it’s not the same as playing 60-70 minutes in a game.

 

[procdoc]

Also I don’t get why Simms always looks so distraught after scoring a goal. I’m not asking him to do cartwheels but at least show a little bit of emotion

 

[jordan210]

Simms has no swagger. Wright is also a chilled out guy but he has a certain swagger when playing well

Wright Is also very social and can play the clown/attention seeker role when needs to. Like in unseen with basket ball and foot tennis.

Ellies is an introvert both on and off the pitch. I dont think iv ever seen him messing around with team mates. It's not something he can help. Just how he is. But it does appear to affect his performances.

 

[SHUNT31]

6 goals in 26-27 games is good. It’s better than some of the alternatives people put forward like Moore and Morris etc.

Of course 9, 10 minute appearances equates to 90m but it’s not the same as playing 60-70 minutes in a game.

Not when it costs you £5m+ and £20k a week it isn’t.

How can fans be happy with his output? Madness.

 

[clint van damme]

It will be down minutes. The one good productive spell for BTA and Simms last year is when they both started upfront in a 5-3-2.

He’s been a non-factor in the league and he was shit against Millwall. The supporting cast was also just as bad.

I wouldn’t give up on him yet, people gave up on BTA before the season started and he’s changed minds scoring 2 goals in 2 games. That’s all it took. On Simms, he’s got this season to sort it out before considering getting rid.

To reiterate, there are just high priority areas on the pitch that need addressing. I’ve said this all season, was pilloried at times and we’re not even in September and already playing players out of position because we’re running out of wingers.

But if it is down to minutes then he's no good in his role as back up striker
I don't expect him to come off the bench and score, but I do expect him to be able to get hold of the ball and keep us in possesion which he consistently fails to do.

He did one of his specials recently, (may have been Saturday), where his first touch was so bad he took out our midfield, it's just not acceptable at this level.

For what it's worth, I expect him to be here until at least the end of the season.

 

[SHUNT31]

What are your expectations from a player coming off the bench? There won’t be many players who get to 5 goals as a sub.

It’s an exercise of priority. Is Simms or BTA a worse sub than Rapha? If not, wingers need to prioritised.

Lampard has said we don’t have CBs or wingers given that our formation we play 2 of each, we actually need players in that position. Given that we have 3 CBs (one being injured), the alternative 5-3-2 looks dicey too.

We can keep talking about Simms, but Sakamoto as a starting winger scored less than Simms and our CB in Thomas. BTA already has 50% of Sakamoto’s 24/25 tally playing RW.

My view on Simms is that he’s got this season to sort things out and get back to his 2023/24 form. If he can’t, move him on. There are other higher priority positions that need to be addressed by Monday/Jan.

The 23/24 form is a myth. Go through and break it down. One purple patch of which a lot of tap ins.

 

[SHUNT31]

But if it is down to minutes then he's no good in his role as back up striker
I don't expect him to come off the bench and score, but I do expect him to be able to get hold of the ball and keep us in possesion which he consistently fails to do.

He did one of his specials recently, (may have been Saturday), where his first touch was so bad he took out our midfield, it's just not acceptable at this level.

For what it's worth, I expect him to be here until at least the end of the season.

Exactly this! We are much more dominant when he’s not playing. There’s a reason he didn’t play in the playoffs and it is nothing to do with appearances.

He puts us under so much pressure against the better sides as nothing sticks to him and in turn we get pinned in. Boro at home perfect example of this. We were under the cosh second half and couldn’t get out our half.

 

[Mr Meaners]

Whatever was injected into Gyokores that turned him into an animal needs to be given to Simms. Let’s hope we have another vial of it knocking about somewhere.

 

[clint van damme]

That's quite a lot really, more than most 'sub' strikers would get. He also definitely wasn't bought as a sub given his cost.

One things for sure, he definitely can't play in our current formation.
He needs to go somewhere more suited.

If his agents scoped out his options and no-one is willing to offer what he's on here so he's going to see it out then I don't blame him but you can't blame supporters for getting frustrated with him either.

 

[TomRad85]

6 goals in 26-27 games is good. It’s better than some of the alternatives people put forward like Moore and Morris etc.

Of course 9, 10 minute appearances equates to 90m but it’s not the same as playing 60-70 minutes in a game.

He wasn't just getting 9,10 minute appearances?

Also, i don't want strikers on the way down like Morris and Moore but i'm not sure what you are basing Simms being better than them on? At least those players have a presence, Simms offers nothing.

 

[Grendel]

6 goals in 26-27 games is good. It’s better than some of the alternatives people put forward like Moore and Morris etc.

Of course 9, 10 minute appearances equates to 90m but it’s not the same as playing 60-70 minutes in a game.

He had the 7th most minutes on the pitch last season and of other 6 3 were defenders and one was a goalkeeper.

 

[Skyblueabo1111]

That is a stat

Done the Assante/ Simms stat yet? Or ignoring that?

I am not ignoring anything. Simms started 7 of the games and was withdrawn in the Derby debacle. He scored 4 of his 6 goals in that spell and scored 2 in the other 36 games - he scored 2 in the first 24 games of the season.

What I think you are attempting to do is make some case for two centre forwards to start

Its never going to happen so Simms as the stats prove is incapable of working in the preferred formation

I have no doubt , during this season, due to injuries, especially to Wight, we will end up in a 442.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

A lot of the time taken off after an hour for being ineffective, though. It skews it to do it in total minutes. He played 43 out of 46 league games.

He also brought on a lot to defend leads/draws so was brought on as an extra big in the box. Which he is good at ironically, as people cry about our set-piece defending.

But if it is down to minutes then he's no good in his role as back up striker
I don't expect him to come off the bench and score, but I do expect him to be able to get hold of the ball and keep us in possesion which he consistently fails to do.

He did one of his specials recently, (may have been Saturday), where his first touch was so bad he took out our midfield, it's just not acceptable at this level.

For what it's worth, I expect him to be here until at least the end of the season.

That wasn’t a touch, it was a first time pass but yeah it was rubbish.

The 23/24 form is a myth. Go through and break it down. One purple patch of which a lot of tap ins.

I have and in 23/24 he scored more open play goals than Haji. His job is to score goals, doesn’t matter if it’s a rocket of a tap in. Before that ‘purple patch’ Robins was rotating with Godden and Simms so was disrupting both players to be honest.

People will point out that he scored 2 hattricks against weak opposition, Haji played in the same games and didn’t score.

 

[TomRad85]

One things for sure, he definitely can't play in our current formation.
He needs to go somewhere more suited.

If his agents scoped out his options and no-one is willing to offer what he's on here so he's going to see it out then I don't blame him but you can't blame supporters for getting frustrated with him either.

He is paid a lot of money and struggles with the basics. People can point to his goals record and spin it around to try and make it look half decent but the fact is its not just a lack of goals people are frustrated with, its a lack of, well, anything really.

Like you, backed him for a long time but how much longer can it go on? Watching him now is painful.