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robbiekeane

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  • May 2, 2024
  • #141
biggymania said:
Honestly, football is just a mis-directed output for a bunch of untreated anxiety
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Perfectly summarised
 
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Skyblue Bangkok

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  • May 2, 2024
  • #142
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MrBlueFace said:
We should be doing a Dortmund. They've established themselves amongst Europe's elite by trading players very wisely. Some huge sales with Haaland, Sancho, Bellingham and others over the years. They've still got Hummels for his experience t
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Skyblue Bangkok

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  • May 2, 2024
  • #143
Skyblue Bangkok said:
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In terms of transfers yes although I wish we had their average crowd of 82000 lol.
 
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Hutch11

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  • May 2, 2024
  • #144
I wish we had their "wall" , fkin impressive
 

SBAndy

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  • May 2, 2024
  • #145
Brighton Sky Blue said:
The point is to sign players who will already be at the standard you want when the player ahead of him is sold. So as opposed to going ‘oh shit we need a right back’, we have one ready made.
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It’d be quite nice, although in practice I have doubts over whether it’d work, to sign players in the summer and sell in January. You’d then hope that the new signings had sufficient time to get up to speed to act more as a ready-made replacement.
 
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Deity

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  • May 2, 2024
  • #146
The model is super easy to understand …:

You buy and develop talented players to sell on
You add to that a couple of experienced pro’s to help with that growth and to give the team match day smarts.
You add 1 or 2 loans where the budget won’t stretch to perm signings of a similar calibre.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • May 2, 2024
  • #147
Deity said:
The model is super easy to understand …:

You buy and develop talented players to sell on
You add to that a couple of experienced pro’s to help with that growth and to give the team match day smarts.
You add 1 or 2 loans where the budget won’t stretch to perm signings of a similar calibre.
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Isn’t that the same for most clubs?
 
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Deity

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  • May 2, 2024
  • #148
Sick Boy said:
Isn’t that the same for most clubs?
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Yes. Not all clubs.

Hull for example have gone for the loan route and hope for a promo that way.

Leicester have gambled on established players on big wages and hoped promo would bail them out.

Wolves, and Brentford targeted one particular nationality of player to try to atttact a slighter better player from that country … Wolves ( Portugal ) and Brentford ( Denmark )



However I agree many clubs are trying to follow the Brighton model. The key is to have the funds to actually buy top talent and then the scouting network to identify it !
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • May 2, 2024
  • #149
Deity said:
Yes. Not all clubs.

Hull for example have gone for the loan route and hope for a promo that way.

Leicester have gambled on established players on big wages and hoped promo would bail them out.

Wolves, and Brentford targeted one particular nationality of player to try to atttact a slighter better player from that country … Wolves ( Portugal ) and Brentford ( Denmark )



However I agree many clubs are trying to follow the Brighton model. The key is to have the funds to actually buy top talent and then the scouting network to identify it !
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Most clubs can't follow the Brighton model because they don't have owners funding the club with 100s of millions; we certainly aren't.
 
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Deity

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  • May 2, 2024
  • #150
Sick Boy said:
Most clubs can't follow the Brighton model because they don't have owners funding the club with 100s of millions; we certainly aren't.
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I think we are but from a lower investment start point ….
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 2, 2024
  • #151
Deity said:
Yes. Not all clubs.

Hull for example have gone for the loan route and hope for a promo that way.

Leicester have gambled on established players on big wages and hoped promo would bail them out.

Wolves, and Brentford targeted one particular nationality of player to try to atttact a slighter better player from that country … Wolves ( Portugal ) and Brentford ( Denmark )



However I agree many clubs are trying to follow the Brighton model. The key is to have the funds to actually buy top talent and then the scouting network to identify it !
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Bristol C have gone in on the academy, bearing a lot of fruit from that. Problem for us is we’re surrounded by clubs who can hoover up the talent whereas they’re pretty much on their own.
 
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skybluecam

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  • May 2, 2024
  • #152
Deleted member 9744 said:
I disagree. You end up always with inconsistency playing prospects rather than players at the top of their game.

I think Thomas and Kitching will be really good players but they will leave once they are for example. We'll have them while they are making mistakes regularly.
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Buying and keeping players in their "prime" (26-30 ish) is the most expensive way to run a club. Transfer fees for them will be high, their wage demands will be high and when it's time for them to move on you will get less for them and may also struggle to shift them because of said wage demands.

You're going to have to get used to us buying and playing young, developing players.
 
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ccfcchris

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  • Aug 24, 2024
  • #153
Did he play well enough to stay on? I'm not so sure today.
 
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Sick Boy

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  • Aug 24, 2024
  • #154
Clarkey_CCFC said:
How long before he gets pissed off with being subbed all the time? One of the league's best forwards being subbed to accommodate inferior players.

How the fuck are Simms, Asante and Bassett gonna get minutes to find rhythm? It's bizarre.
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Fucks knows. He’s too good to be subbed off for 20/25 minutes each game, it’s just bizarre.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Aug 24, 2024
  • #155
Clarkey_CCFC said:
How long before he gets pissed off with being subbed all the time? One of the league's best forwards being subbed to accommodate inferior players.

How the fuck are Simms, Asante and Bassett gonna get minutes to find rhythm? It's bizarre.
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Because the subs are pre planned regardless of what’s going on on the pitch.
 
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Alkhen

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  • Aug 24, 2024
  • #156
Clarkey_CCFC said:
How long before he gets pissed off with being subbed all the time? One of the league's best forwards being subbed to accommodate inferior players.

How the fuck are Simms, Asante and Bassett gonna get minutes to find rhythm? It's bizarre.
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All players get subbed off at points, he'll get over it
 

Nick

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  • Aug 24, 2024
  • #157
ccfcchris said:
Did he play well enough to stay on? I'm not so sure today.
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Had zero service.
 
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ccfcchris

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  • Aug 24, 2024
  • #158
Clarkey_CCFC said:
Haaland wouldn't score for us with the service Simms had.
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Fair comment.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Aug 24, 2024
  • #159
Clarkey_CCFC said:
How long before he gets pissed off with being subbed all the time? One of the league's best forwards being subbed to accommodate inferior players.

How the fuck are Simms, Asante and Bassett gonna get minutes to find rhythm? It's bizarre.
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Bta outperformed him today
 
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Sick Boy

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  • Aug 24, 2024
  • #160
Sky Blue Pete said:
Bta outperformed him today
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Really?
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Aug 24, 2024
  • #161
Sick Boy said:
Really?
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More of the ball showed for it moved off it got a stuck in
Could have scored poor shot and could have put wright through too
Simms is way too passive
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Aug 24, 2024
  • #162
Sky Blue Pete said:
More of the ball showed for it moved off it got a stuck in
Could have scored poor shot and could have put wright through too
Simms is way too passive
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They’re different types of players but Simms is way superior, IMO.
 
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Evo1883

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  • Aug 24, 2024
  • #163
Had a slow start to the season after a slow finish to last season .

No goals in his last 8 league games , but it's a spell.... poor today just 6 touches simply not involved
 
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SIR ERNIE

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  • Aug 24, 2024
  • #164
Sky Blue Pete said:
Bta outperformed him today
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Nonsense
 

Para1140

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  • Aug 24, 2024
  • #165
Evo1883 said:
Had a slow start to the season after a slow finish to last season .

No goals in his last 8 league games , but it's a spell.... poor today just 6 touches simply not involved
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To be fair he got 0 service from our ineffective midfield again
 
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TomRad85

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  • Aug 24, 2024
  • #166
I'm a big Simms fans but he was poor today not sure how that can be denied. Not been a great start to the season for him.

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Tommo1993

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  • Aug 24, 2024
  • #167
Had absolutely fuck all to feed off today, calm down.
 
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junglej13

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  • Aug 24, 2024
  • #168
Hard to be too critical of any of the starting front players when the midfield has been non existent.
 
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ms639

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  • Aug 24, 2024
  • #169
junglej13 said:
Hard to be too critical of any of the starting front players when the midfield has been non existent.
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This is so lazy. The creativity of the midfield is equally reliant on the runs of the forward.


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Marty

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  • Aug 24, 2024
  • #170
Have to agree, players don't have the chance to get into a rhythm. The squad is dare I say, barron in some areas and bloated in others. Couldn't with the fact Torp is an absolute passenger 95% of the time.
 
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fatso

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  • Aug 24, 2024
  • #171
ms639 said:
This is so lazy. The creativity of the midfield is equally reliant on the runs of the forward.


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True, but if your midfield keep passing to the opposition instead of our forwards, what chance have they got?

It was obvious early on that Simms wasn't going to get much service, so taking him off at least keeps him fresh for Tuesday.
 

ms639

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  • Aug 24, 2024
  • #172
fatso said:
True, but if your midfield keep passing to the opposition instead of our forwards, what chance have they got?

It was obvious early on that Simms wasn't going to get much service, so taking him off at least keeps him fresh for Tuesday.
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Again this is so lazy. I know a first team player. They were baffled when Simms signed as to how bad his basic skills were. Dreadful first touch etc.

With Wright and Tats playing off him, the ball has to stick when it goes into him and it doesn’t, as a fan it’s so easy to say ‘he’s not getting the service’ but when you watch football you have to question how much the other players trust him to fix it into feet and think it’s the right thing to do.

I know 100% that the confidence from other players isn’t there.


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ms639

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  • Aug 24, 2024
  • #173
Clarkey_CCFC said:
Its the fact he's so willfully replaced that's the issue. We're turning a 20 million quid player into a 3 million quid one through lack of midfield and constantly subbing him because of expensive forwards on the bench.
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This is bollocks. If he was a 20 million quid player he wouldn’t be pulled.


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fatso

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  • Aug 24, 2024
  • #174
ms639 said:
Again this is so lazy. I know a first team player. They were baffled when Simms signed as to how bad his basic skills were. Dreadful first touch etc.

With Wright and Tats playing off him, the ball has to stick when it goes into him and it doesn’t, as a fan it’s so easy to say ‘he’s not getting the service’ but when you watch football you have to question how much the other players trust him to fix it into feet and think it’s the right thing to do.

I know 100% that the confidence from other players isn’t there.


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Remind me again how many he scored last season.
 
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ms639

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  • Aug 24, 2024
  • #175
fatso said:
Remind me again how many he scored last season.
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Oh absolutely. Do not get me wrong. I’m not in the camp of Simms is not a good goal scorer. But and it’s a big but, the system we play is ball into him, other players run off and create.

The issue is, so far, the ball into him doesn’t stick and it undermines everything we’re about.

We have arguably 2 of the best wingers in the division in Wright and Tats and at the moment Simms inability to bring them into the game is hurting us


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