Do you want to discuss boring politics? (16 Viewers)

[Grendel]

Of course it's because we're paying young people a pittance rather than peanuts that is the reason that there's no jobs. And business taxes disincentivising business. if only there was something that shows that the richest people have been getting richer and that large companies have been making bigger profits than ever before to show this to be horseshit.

There's plenty of money being made. Is just not being shared out equitably.

Over 60% of people work for SME’s

 

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[CCFCSteve]

Over 60% of people work for SME’s

I was just about to say the same. Some just don't understand that most business owners aren’t millionaires and many earn fuck all in the grand scheme of things. I’ve known plenty that carried on paying their employees whilst not taking a salary themselves and investing more in the business to keep it afloat.

They also don’t seem to understand that if you increase youth minimum wage by 30%* in two years whilst also increasing emp’ers NIC and bringing down the starting threshold to £5k (from £9k) you are going to impact employment especially youth employment, many of whom are part time.


*i want people and those younger generation to be paid as much as possible but this is the real world

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Over 60% of people work for SME’s

And who are the people that shit all over the SME's whenever it suits them? Big business.

 

[Grendel]

I was just about to say the same. Some just don't understand that most business owners aren’t all millionaires, many earn fuck all in the grand scheme of things. I’ve known plenty that carried in paying their employees whilst not taking a salary themselves and investing more in the business to keep it afloat.

They also don’t seem to understand that if you increase youth minimum wage by 30%* in two years whilst also increasing emp’ers NIC and bringing down the starting threshold to £5k (from £9k) you are going to impact employment especially youth employment, many of whom are part time.


*i want people and those younger generation to be paid as much as possible but this is the real world

Exactly - he’s clueless - I’m sure he never leaves his house

 

[Grendel]

And who are the people that shit all over the SME's whenever it suits them? Big business.

What are you on about? What’s your idea? Nationalise big businesses? Without these businesses the one I now run would have been bankrupt years ago. Clueless. What do you actually do for a living?

 

[fernandopartridge]

They can’t afford to get on the housing ladder due to the fact that population has grown rapidly and house building hasn’t kept up, jobs market has been damaged with increased business taxes/rapid increase in youth minimum wage and goverment is currently removing incentive for people working hard and do well for themselves

Currently? The student loan system has been doing it for years, it just so happens that it has now surfaced as some journalists are affected by it.

 

[CCFCSteve]

Currently? The student loan system has been doing it for years, it just so happens that it has now surfaced as some journalists are affected by it.

Don’t get me started on student loans. The whole system is a mess

When I said ‘currently removing incentive’ I wasn’t talking about student loans though, I’m talking about younger people/families that get to higher rate tax band

 

[Grendel]

I was just about to say the same. Some just don't understand that most business owners aren’t millionaires and many earn fuck all in the grand scheme of things. I’ve known plenty that carried on paying their employees whilst not taking a salary themselves and investing more in the business to keep it afloat.

They also don’t seem to understand that if you increase youth minimum wage by 30%* in two years whilst also increasing emp’ers NIC and bringing down the starting threshold to £5k (from £9k) you are going to impact employment especially youth employment, many of whom are part time.


*i want people and those younger generation to be paid as much as possible but this is the real world

The increase in minimum wage just means the 18 - 24 bracket are becoming less employable compared to experienced people

 

[fernandopartridge]

Labour is absolutely no different from the coalition and predecessor Tory governments on housebuilding. They are fundamentally wedded to the idea that the market will serve when it has shown that it will not. The government needs to directly commission housebuilding, not try to facilitate it through watering down planning policies. All that leads to is further land value inflation.

 

[Nick]

I was just about to say the same. Some just don't understand that most business owners aren’t millionaires and many earn fuck all in the grand scheme of things. I’ve known plenty that carried on paying their employees whilst not taking a salary themselves and investing more in the business to keep it afloat.

They also don’t seem to understand that if you increase youth minimum wage by 30%* in two years whilst also increasing emp’ers NIC and bringing down the starting threshold to £5k (from £9k) you are going to impact employment especially youth employment, many of whom are part time.


*i want people and those younger generation to be paid as much as possible but this is the real world

I really don't get people who don't grasp smes. It's like they think everybody works for a faceless billionaire.

Same as with the national insurance rises "well if they can't afford it they shouldn't be in business".

They think every employer is a Tesco or Amazon.

 

[CCFCSteve]

Labour is absolutely no different from the coalition and predecessor Tory governments on housebuilding. They are fundamentally wedded to the idea that the market will serve when it has shown that it will not. The government needs to directly commission housebuilding, not try to facilitate it through watering down planning policies. All that leads to is further land value inflation.

They haven’t even sorted the planning. Whatever they’ve done so far (directly relating to house building and indirectly) has seen the worse house building start numbers for years (decades in some areas).

God knows why we haven’t seen far greater numbers of social housing built especially at a time when we have seen massive population growth and a social housing sell off. Ridiculous

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I was just about to say the same. Some just don't understand that most business owners aren’t millionaires and many earn fuck all in the grand scheme of things. I’ve known plenty that carried on paying their employees whilst not taking a salary themselves and investing more in the business to keep it afloat.

They also don’t seem to understand that if you increase youth minimum wage by 30%* in two years whilst also increasing emp’ers NIC and bringing down the starting threshold to £5k (from £9k) you are going to impact employment especially youth employment, many of whom are part time.


*i want people and those younger generation to be paid as much as possible but this is the real world

The comments are in relation to the idea of young people wanting to leave the country being a recent phemonenon brought on by the nasty Labour government and not off the back of 14 years+ of managed decline and worsening prospects.

 

[Captain Dart]

I’ve been trying to flag the housing issue for the younger generation for years. I’ve also said that the government deserves more time, whilst the signs aren’t great it’s still relatively early days. Its many on the ideological left that want the government/ Starmer out now even though they have only been bringing in the policies many of them wanted, it’s bizarre.

Just to be clear I also believe the Tories were an absolute shambles in the final years of government

No thanks, Labour are a shit show.

 

[fernandopartridge]

They haven’t even sorted the planning. Whatever they’ve done so far (directly relating to house building and indirectly) has seen the worse house building start numbers for years (decades in some areas).

God knows why we haven’t seen far greater numbers of social housing built especially at a time when we have seen massive population growth and a social housing sell off. Ridiculous

It's well evidenced and documented that housebuilders very carefully manage the supply of housing to maintain prices. They are not going to even with planning flood the market with housing.

I think what we're seeing is the consequence of winning an election by default.

 

[fernandopartridge]

What an utterly cringe worthy empty vessel this man is

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

I really don't get people who don't grasp smes. It's like they think everybody works for a faceless billionaire.

Same as with the national insurance rises "well if they can't afford it they shouldn't be in business".

They think every employer is a Tesco or Amazon.

I used to work for small accountancy firms and spent every day dealing with owner's of SME's from loads of different business sectors and putting together their accounts. Vast majority were doing alright for themselves. Not rich, but well off and far better than if they'd just got a normal job. Quite a few ran a number of small companies, allowing them to benefit from numerous tax allowances etc., rather than running it all under one. Running an SME is a very time consuming task, so if they're not making money from it why go through all that stress and instead just get a normal job with a steady wage? Because they wouldn't be better off. No-one forces people to run a small business as their means of income.

And low, or even no, business tax and reducing minimum wage for smaller enterprises has been tried in places like America cos of the mantra of job creation and businesses/employers being wealth/job creators. It led to no extra job creation, wages went down and just led to the business owners pocketing the amount that would previously have been paid in tax or wages. Resulting in the local authority going bankrupt, while local employees now needed extra help because they were being paid less but saw that help being axed due to lack of funding. Whenever this shit is tried in real world situations it just makes things worse.

Why should someone who owns a business get more sympathy than someone who works for a small business? Seemingly if you're an employer you deserve help but if you're an employee tough shit.

Ask yourself if you worked for an SME and they said they couldn't afford to pay you a living wage and stay in business, so your choice is either a job paying a pittance or no job at all, would your response be:
a) "ok, I'll get paid a wage I can't live on" or
b)"fuck that, I'll go find a job with someone who can pay me a wage I can live on"?

If your answer is a, get some self respect. If your answer is b, why should anyone else accept it if you wouldn't?

 

[Nick]

What an utterly cringe worthy empty vessel this man is

It's very trump

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

What an utterly cringe worthy empty vessel this man is

The problem is that you have got people advising him that this is a good idea. It just goes to show how clueless and out of touch those in charge are. The video looks like a budget version of that Borat character 'The Dictator' and one of his cut scenes.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

What an utterly cringe worthy empty vessel this man is

Bad ass, Hell yeah!!

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The problem is that you have got people advising him that this is a good idea. It just goes to show how clueless and out of touch those in charge are. The video looks like a budget version of that Borat character 'The Dictator' and one of his cut scenes.

 

[chiefdave]

I was just about to say the same. Some just don't understand that most business owners aren’t millionaires and many earn fuck all in the grand scheme of things. I’ve known plenty that carried on paying their employees whilst not taking a salary themselves and investing more in the business to keep it afloat.

I suspect most people go off their own experience with their employers. A lot of us will currently or have previously worked for SMEs. I've spent the last 20 ish years working for and with SMEs and have seen very little evidence of the owners of the business struggling.

At my current place there's two owners. One lives in a mansion in the country, the other is in the process of moving to a new place costing 7 figures. Both arrive to the office in different cars on a regular basis. Meanwhile the people working for them cancelled a planned meal out after work recently because half the office couldn't afford it.

I've also seen staff let go, or more often not replaced, despite an increasing workload. A prevailing attitude at the top of you're lucky to have a job and therefore can just take on the extra workload. Positions filled by experienced staff have been replaced by government subsidised apprentices.

People will go off what they see and they see themselves having an ever smaller piece of the pie while those at the top seemingly get a greater share and tell us there's no money.

 

[chiefdave]

What an utterly cringe worthy empty vessel this man is

Look on the bright side. Its not the AI slop that the official White House account puts out.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Look on the bright side. Its not the AI slop that the official White House account puts out.

Which means someone is actually being paid to produce this nonsense.

 

[chiefdave]

Which means someone is actually being paid to produce this nonsense.

Hopefully its someone who is taking the piss and they don't actually think this is good

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Hopefully its someone who is taking the piss and they don't actually think this is good

Starmer's YouTube channel is full of this shite.

 

[Captain Dart]

And who are the people that shit all over the SME's whenever it suits them? Big business.

This Labour government is doing it. The rises in NI & Business Rates are a death knell for many smaller businesses.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

This Labour government is doing it. The rises in NI & Business Rates are a death knell for many smaller businesses.

And if the big businesses and rich people didn't avoid as much tax, we could lower taxes and rates for smaller businesses so they were less of a burden on them or give them support with grants etc.. But don't worry, you just keep on believing the rich when they tell you it's everyone else's fault and they're the good guys creating the wealth and jobs.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

This Labour government is doing it. The rises in NI & Business Rates are a death knell for many smaller businesses.

I don’t think many people support that, myself included. There’s a misconception that progressives support higher taxes regardless of who they’re on.