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[Grendel]

What's divisive about the Greens mate?

comedy gold

 

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[Ccfcisparks]

Congratulations to the Greens!

 

[SBT]

That's kind of what I'm getting at about disenfranchised.

Disenfranchised?

 

[LarryGrayson]

What should be equally worrying for mainstream parties, is how disenfranchised the public are with them. The eyes of the nation were on this, there has probably been more focus and campaigning by all sides since I can remember in a mid term by-election and yet in total, they've still only managed to get 50% of the electorate out to actually vote.

thats better then most byelections

 

[StrettoBoy]

I find it deeply depressing that parties of the hard left and hard right finished first and second in this election.

I'm hoping that it's just one of those by-election blips, fuelled by protest votes, that we have seen before and that sanity returns for the next General Election.

 

[CCFCSteve]

What's divisive about the Greens mate? We've tried the endless centrist neoliberal nonsense, and all it's done is hugely extend wealth inequality and left most people feeling worse off than they were twenty or thirty years ago.

And now we're at a place where people are so unhappy that they are voting for literal racist nutters.

And in the meantime what are you and the other centrists offering? More of the same with a different colour tie?

Come off it, doing the same thing and expecting different results is actually the most irrational approach there is.

We've been waiting a long time for the magical centrist/centre-right beans to grow. It turns out that fairy tale doesn't have a happy ending.

They put a video out in Urdu which included photos of Starmer next to Modi and Lammy next to Netanyahu then a photo bombed Palestine. They seemed to campaign with Palestinian and Pakistani flags. If you wanted to show you’re a party for all, why not have a British flag alongside those ?

Ps I was going to go into detail about the fact the government has been/will be taxing, borrowing and spending £10s of billions more, we havent had any centre left polices (where’s the growth policies ) and the fact the government have only been in power for 18 months. This has been a left wing goverment so far yet those of the left still aren’t happy after giving it only 18 months

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

They put a video out in Urdu which included photos of Starmer next to Modi and Lammy next to Netanyahu then a photo bombed Palestine. They seemed to campaign with Palestinian and Pakistani flags. If you wanted to show you’re a party for all, why not have a British flag alongside those ?

Why select a white British woman as your candidate if you’re going all in on the Muslim vote?

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

This thread has delivered in every way I knew it would this morning.

Denial, whataboutism, allegations of racism. I mean some of you really go the extra mile to miss the reality of the situation.

The idea you can have a go at people for highlighting that the demographic landscape of the UK is being changed when you have an election like this would be funny if it wasn't so sad. The demographics for this region suggest 30% Muslim population (up from 20% in the last 10-15 years). There's obviously a very high Muslim vote, and they're obviously voting for the one party they think they can manipulate.

 

[CCFCSteve]

Why select a white British woman as your candidate if you’re going all in on the Muslim vote?

I was responding to the bits I found divisive

 

[LarryGrayson]

and they're obviously voting for the one party they think they can manipulate.

lick everyone else votes for the party they think stands up for em

 

[duffer]

I didn't say my grand kids. I'd be long dead.

Is it a fiction? I'm not saying it's all in that white people will be killed off etc. I'm pointing out that some areas are very much like it.

I've also said I don't think the answer is reform either. I'm not going to vote for farage so where do I sit? Who's policies will help me the most?

Yes mate, the Great Replacement Theory is a literal racist fiction. And it is what you implied, your grandkids, their grandkids, having to wear burkas, it's the same difference.

If your complaint is about integration, that's going to be difficult to do whilst you're accusing one set of people of literally looking to replace or dominate another. Though that of course, is exactly what Farage and Tommy want - less brown people in the country, even if they were born here, work here, and pay their taxes here.

As for who you should vote for, that's probably depends on what you believe in, or who is going to do the best for you personally. Those things do not always align.

Until recently, it was always Labour for me, because I thought they were the party that was better for the country. Strong public services, humane welfare support for those that need it, fair levels of taxation to pay for it, moderate redistribution of wealth, improving worker's rights, and most importantly, more equality of opportunity so that poor kids get the same life chances as rich ones. No racists welcome.

Also we really need to try to stop the world burning or drowning, or all this becomes irrelevant.

For me, Labour left an awful lot of that behind chasing Tory, and now Reform voters. So the party that seems closer to those concepts, for me, is the Greens.

You could try this website, if you're genuinely interested in seeing who aligns with you. It's a bit out of date now, but it might give you a fair steer....

2024 general election survey - Vote for Policies

Not sure who to vote for? Compare promises without seeing which party they belong to. Vote with confidence in the 2024 general election.

voteforpolicies.org.uk

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I was responding to the bits I found divisive

If you include all the bits that are and ignore all the bits that aren't then obviously they'll be extremely divisive.

 

[duffer]

Is this a serious question?

Obviously it's a serious question. Is this a serious question?

Do you want to engage on it or just chuck in pointless chaff.

 

[Nick]

Yes mate, the Great Replacement Theory is a literal racist fiction. And it is what you implied, your grandkids, their grandkids, having to wear burkas, it's the same difference.

If your complaint is about integration, that's going to be difficult to do whilst you're accusing one set of people of literally looking to replace or dominate another. Though that of course, is exactly what Farage and Tommy want - less brown people in the country, even if they were born here, work here, and pay their taxes here.

As for who you should vote for, that's probably depends on what you believe in, or who is going to do the best for you personally. Those things do not always align.

Until recently, it was always Labour for me, because I thought they were the party that was better for the country. Strong public services, humane welfare support for those that need it, fair levels of taxation to pay for it, moderate redistribution of wealth, improving worker's rights, and most importantly, more equality of opportunity so that poor kids get the same life chances as rich ones. No racists welcome.

Also we really need to try to stop the world burning or drowning, or all this becomes irrelevant.

For me, Labour left an awful lot of that behind chasing Tory, and now Reform voters. So the party that seems closer to those concepts, for me, is the Greens.

You could try this website, if you're genuinely interested in seeing who aligns with you. It's a bit out of date now, but it might give you a fair steer....

2024 general election survey - Vote for Policies

Not sure who to vote for? Compare promises without seeing which party they belong to. Vote with confidence in the 2024 general election.

voteforpolicies.org.uk

Again, I said fuck all about my grandkids, did I? I made a point of saying not tomorrow but in a fair few years if nothing changes.

Read my posts, I have said nothing about just kicking brown people out. I have said I'd happily ship out white british people who were lazy cunts and just wanted to live on benefits.

It's really not racist fiction if you go out into particular areas that things are happening. It's a bit naive to completely deny the points and just shout "conspiracy".


So the lack of integration is because people mention the lack of integration? how does that even make sense?

 

[Nick]

If you include all the bits that are and ignore all the bits that aren't then obviously they'll be extremely divisive.

I mean that's kind of the point of answering "what is divisive?"

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Will we get stats on the vote, e.g. the ethnic breakdown of those who voted green?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I mean that's kind of the point of answering "what is divisive?"

Politics is literally divisive.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I'm confused, you're now trying to make out it's pro women because of it?

Not at all I’m just asking you who’ve decided that the Muslim community are colonising areas of the country with their anti women religion that it’s a surprise they’ve voted for the woman
Doesn’t that show what sbt was saying

I’m not saying that there aren’t issues at all

 

[CCFCSteve]

If you include all the bits that are and ignore all the bits that aren't then obviously they'll be extremely divisive.

So Reform have some black and brown politicians, they can’t be divisive. Nonsense

 

[Grendel]

Why select a white British woman as your candidate if you’re going all in on the Muslim vote?

Are you seriously trying to suggest they didn’t target the vote?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

So Reform have some black and brown politicians, they can’t be divisive. Nonsense

The comments were that the Greens went all in on hoovering up the brown vote and didn't do much to show 'Britishness'. They selected a white British woman as their candidate.

Given how much we hear about how horrible towards white women Muslims are this seems an odd choice.

 

[Grendel]

The comments were that the Greens went all in on hoovering up the brown vote and didn't do much to show 'Britishness'. They selected a white British woman as their candidate.

Given how much we hear about how horrible towards white women Muslims are this seems an odd choice.

Why? George Galloway is white and British?

 

[fernandopartridge]

Are you seriously trying to suggest they didn’t target the vote?

For a constituency with the demographic it has this campaign video is missing something

 

[Grendel]

Clearly not targeting the Muslim vote

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

What should be equally worrying for mainstream parties, is how disenfranchised the public are with them. The eyes of the nation were on this, there has probably been more focus and campaigning by all sides since I can remember in a mid term by-election and yet in total, they've still only managed to get 50% of the electorate out to actually vote.

Agreed no easy answer though

 

[Ccfcisparks]

What should be equally worrying for mainstream parties, is how disenfranchised the public are with them. The eyes of the nation were on this, there has probably been more focus and campaigning by all sides since I can remember in a mid term by-election and yet in total, they've still only managed to get 50% of the electorate out to actually vote.

I think a lot of people are in the boat I am, and dont feel like any party represents them and are purely acting in self interest.

 

[Marty]

Not at all I’m just asking you who’ve decided that the Muslim community are colonising areas of the country with their anti women religion that it’s a surprise they’ve voted for the woman
Doesn’t that show what sbt was saying

I’m not saying that there aren’t issues at all

Useful idiot Pete, they know they can manipulate people like her.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I love looking at underlying stats like this and was just googling myself. Think numbers available are 2021 and had already changed quite a bit in prior few years. I’m guessing across the ward Muslim population is now maybe around 33-35% (think it was 29% in 2021, 19% in 2011). Looks like Greens targeted them and that plus the threat of Reform got them out to vote en masse

Worryingly Reform and Greens and their fairytale divisive politics picked up 70%+. Hopefully this is just a mid term by election protest vote but I fear not.

It’s the new norm I agree
It’s a shame and both the Conservative 14 year term and labours 18 months have a lot to answer for not finding a way to improve things

 

[CCFCSteve]

The comments were that the Greens went all in on hoovering up the brown vote and didn't do much to show 'Britishness'. They selected a white British woman as their candidate.

Given how much we hear about how horrible towards white women Muslims are this seems an odd choice.

No, Duffer referred to my comment about reform and greens being divisive and asked why did I think Greens were divisive. I gave a couple of examples

 

[Grendel]

Obviously it's a serious question. Is this a serious question?

Do you want to engage on it or just chuck in pointless chaff.

With respect "mate" thats all you do

I suspect you are not even aware the Greens and the "Workers Party" joined forces on this - you are just an AI bot trawling out drivel

 

[rob9872]

Clearly not targeting the Muslim vote

Tbf if it means Sultana loses her seat, I'm all for it!

 

[LarryGrayson]

Why? George Galloway is white and British?

on galloway in rochdale

“My father supported Labour, my mother, my uncle, my sisters, my brothers,” said Maqsood Ahmad, sitting in a branch of Chaiiwala having heard Galloway’s pitch. “But they are not listening to us. You can’t tell the difference between them and the government.

“George Galloway may not be able to do anything about it, but the message we’re sending is ‘Don’t take our vote for granted.’”

looks lick the problem ant culture but thats the symptom of neglect the problem is labour leaving there homelands neglected in trying to head off others both they and the tories seem scared to say what they stand for and thats holding them back if they went old school economic then palestine wouldnt be an issue as theyd be standing up for the community

 

[SkyBlueMatt]

The comments were that the Greens went all in on hoovering up the brown vote and didn't do much to show 'Britishness'. They selected a white British woman as their candidate.

Given how much we hear about how horrible towards white women Muslims are this seems an odd choice.

The way the right wing portrays the Muslim stereotype and the belief of cheating with 'family voting'. I'm sure husbands forced their wives/daughters/sons to vote for a white woman with a gay Jew as leader.

 

[Nick]

Obviously it's a serious question. Is this a serious question?

Do you want to engage on it or just chuck in pointless chaff.

Christ.

Well being in Coventry, before any of the recent stuff I wouldn't have voted Green for obvious reasons.

Isn't their whole recent campaign divisive in itself? It's one big contradiction, the same as most of the extreme left stuff. Who do they pander to, LGBT or the people shouting Allahu Akbar? Saying to legalise crack and heroin is divisive. Wanting to hand out benefits the minute somebody steps into the country illegally is pretty divisive. Standing about with Pakistan flags outside polling stations is pretty divisive.

I was trying to engage but you were just shouting "conspiracy".

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Christ.

Well being in Coventry, before any of the recent stuff I wouldn't have voted Green for obvious reasons.

Isn't their whole recent campaign divisive in itself? It's one big contradiction, the same as most of the extreme left stuff. Who do they pander to, LGBT or the people shouting Allahu Akbar? Saying to legalise crack and heroin is divisive. Wanting to hand out benefits the minute somebody steps into the country illegally is pretty divisive. Standing about with Pakistan flags outside polling stations is pretty divisive.

I was trying to engage but you were just shouting "conspiracy".

Nick genuine question, if you were to vote tomorrow who would you vote for.