Sky Blue Pete
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Find my response to Boris with the guy in the Tory party and you’ll find a very similar approach
Why do you think despite probably up to a 1000 trafficked under age girls only Epstein and maxwell have served time
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Why do you think despite probably up to a 1000 trafficked under age girls only Epstein and maxwell have served time
Brighton Sky Blue
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You’re just trying to start an argument out of nothing on this one.
mmttww
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Didn't think I'd have a use for this twice in one night.
and if we're doing the whatabout dance, and you're after a gotcha, be specific. Is this a 'Keir has to go because he hired a wrongun' argument, or 'Kier knew he was a wrongun and lied about it' thing?
because if appointing Tw*ts was a resignation must, no PM would last more than a week. and keep in mind I thought Starmer was a w*nker long before the block 14 crew realised it was cool.
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fernandopartridge
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mmmmm.
Birmingham council 'no longer bankrupt' as proposed budget includes extra £130m | TheBusinessDesk.com
The council has been embroiled in a year-long labour dispute with Unite over fair pay for bin collection workers
www.thebusinessdesk.com
Praise the lord. It was never bust to start with. Totally mismanaged by the council (Labour), managed to miscalculate a huge amount of liabilities, built a 500m surplus in employees DB pension scheme, bumped council tax up by 20% over two years and has significantly reduced services for all residents. All whilst Birmingham became stab capital of the country
Most are asking who the fuck is the is council serving these days….its not the residents
StrettoBoy
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I agree. Starmer just doesn't seem to have any political nouse.
I'm not suggesting that he would have known what would come to light about Mandelson and Epstein but he must surely have known that he was taking a risk. After all, Madelson is well known for his love of money and associating with the rich, powerful and famous and he has form for doing favours for those who fund his lifestyle.
Thankfully, it looks as if at long last Madelson's place in political life is gone for ever. Hopefully, like Mr Mountbatten-Windsor, he will just slink off into obscurity, never to be seen or heard of again unless it's in a court of law.
mmttww
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StrettoBoy
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Possibly but it seems odd, given some of Mandelson's previous comments about Trump (calling him "a bully" and "a danger to the world"), from which he had to do some hasty, slimy backtracking when he was appointed. Was Starmer not aware of these? If not, someone near him such as Morgan McSweeney should have advised him.
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It's possibly Mcsweeney who's the issue here along with the,pM.
StrettoBoy
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I can't believe that Starmer wasn't aware of Mandeson's comments about Trump, unless he has been living in a remote cave for several years.
alexccfc99
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This is genuinely vile…
Grendel
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There would have been a connection with Trump somewhere. Mandleson used to work directly for Robert Maxwell - then became entwined with Ghislaine and then Epstein.
I didn’t know Mandelson was so well connected in French politics too
Captain Dart
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Same everywhere. They're focused on polices that have no positive impact locally.Birmingham council 'no longer bankrupt' as proposed budget includes extra £130m | TheBusinessDesk.com
The council has been embroiled in a year-long labour dispute with Unite over fair pay for bin collection workerswww.thebusinessdesk.com
Praise the lord. It was never bust to start with. Totally mismanaged by the council (Labour), managed to miscalculate a huge amount of liabilities, built a 500m surplus in employees DB pension scheme, bumped council tax up by 20% over two years and has significantly reduced services for all residents. All whilst Birmingham became stab capital of the country
Most are asking who the fuck is the is council serving these days….its not the residents
Potholes are bad everywhere, gradual addition of charge for green waste, but they've got a net zero a diversity policy in place and masses of road closures to build cycle lanes hardly anyone uses.
Doesn’t look good. After years of Tory melodrama I was hoping for a period of stability but nope, another government full of incompetence and infighting
Im personally more concerned about the economy, public services etc than this type of stuff but things aren’t currently great there either, so add poor political judgement to the mix and Starmers in a precarious position.
One thing I would say though is the major issues here happened under the Brown government
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skybluetony176
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Boris went for repeatedly lying about that and other things like pincher by name pincher by nature, including lying in parliament. That’s not spoken incorrectly due to a lack of knowledge, he repeatedly, knowingly and very deliberately lied in parliament to try and save his own arse.
If Starmer is doing the same then yes he has to go too.
Sky Blue Pete
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Captain Dart
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Is this Dumb and Dumber II
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LarryGrayson
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gotta trust the capitals
LarryGrayson
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Brighton Sky Blue
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More patriots keen for the country to be attacked
fernandopartridge
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Quite a farce that the country's prime minister again seems to be the passenger in some no mates weirdo (Cummings and McSweeney) mission. Says a lot for the Westminster circus of media and politicians.
mmttww
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Marty
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They'll spend a fortune putting everything back to how they should be, near where I work they don't even maintain the drainage, any heavy rain they just close the road. It's a pain in the arse.
Sky Blue Pete
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I would just like to remind everyone that Starmer hired someone caught up in a scandal, and he owns that decision. It deserves criticism, and it reflects poorly on his judgement.
But Boris Johnson’s government gave unlawful advice to the Queen to prorogue Parliament, he barreled the country through a Brexit settlement sold on fantasies, he was fined over Partygate and was later found by MPs to have deliberately misled Parliament about it, he presided over sleaze and cronyism, from the Owen Paterson affair onwards, and he still clung on until the sheer accumulation of misconduct finally made his position untenable.
So while the usual voices and faces scream loudly that Starmer must resign, and to be clear I don’t think he comes out of this unscathed, it’s hard to take the outrage seriously when many of them defended Johnson, excused him, or pretended none of it mattered at the time.
If they waved through constitutional vandalism and years of rule-breaking, this sudden moral panic reads squarely as opportunism, and Starmer should answer for poor political nous without letting the loudest hypocrites set the terms of the debate.
But Boris Johnson’s government gave unlawful advice to the Queen to prorogue Parliament, he barreled the country through a Brexit settlement sold on fantasies, he was fined over Partygate and was later found by MPs to have deliberately misled Parliament about it, he presided over sleaze and cronyism, from the Owen Paterson affair onwards, and he still clung on until the sheer accumulation of misconduct finally made his position untenable.
So while the usual voices and faces scream loudly that Starmer must resign, and to be clear I don’t think he comes out of this unscathed, it’s hard to take the outrage seriously when many of them defended Johnson, excused him, or pretended none of it mattered at the time.
If they waved through constitutional vandalism and years of rule-breaking, this sudden moral panic reads squarely as opportunism, and Starmer should answer for poor political nous without letting the loudest hypocrites set the terms of the debate.