Do you want to discuss boring politics? (41 Viewers)

[David O'Day]

Don’t underestimate the pull Farage has. He speaks common sense and seems to come from the heart. He doesn’t need to do this, he wants to and people will relate to that.

He’s not your typical career politician, at least he believes in what he says. Starmer is not a natural leader and comes across as a weak person.

People laughed at Farage for years, no one ever took him serious and look what he did with brexit.

When it comes to election time he has Trump and Musk on his side can you just imagine how much they are going to help him too. It’s only going one way.

I love your fake account

Trump and Musk, 2 really unpopular people. 1 of whom has actually swung 2 national elections away from the right

Top work fella.

 

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[Dougin]

I love your fake account

Trump and Musk, 2 really unpopular people. 1 of whom has actually swung 2 national elections away from the right

Top work fella.

Not a fake account, sorry to disappoint you.

2 really unpopular people? prove that?

Here is a list of the top X accounts:

1. Elon Musk: (@elonmusk)
2. Barack Obama: (@BarackObama)
3. Cristiano Ronaldo: (@Cristiano)
4. Donald Trump: (@realDonaldTrump)

 

[RegTheDonk]

If people looked what he did with Brexit he wouldn't be getting any votes!!!

I think the point is Dave he won.

 

[chiefdave]

If they find people renting other accounts then they hammer the companies for not having the correct checks and procedures in place. Fine the company every time somebody is caught using a rented account.

"Only way they can earn money" makes it sound like they aren't getting money from the government and their bills paid for.

You see takeaways getting raided and charged for having illegal workers so why not Uber eats and deliveroo?

That's exactly what the government is trying to do but there's a problem with successfully convicting the likes of Uber, Just Eat etc when they can just turn round and say we have processes in place, its not our fault if people abuse them. That's before you consider the manpower needed for that type of enforcement. That's why its only even a day or two which happens after weeks of planning to ensure they have the resources in place.

Its very different to raiding your local takeaway. At your local the person is actually there in front of the employer, its then very hard for the employer to defend. With app based services the id verification is done at sign up and then periodically during use. Now we don't know the plans for the governments digital id or how it could be tied to employee verification on delivery apps so its hard to say what, if any, impact it will have.

If you're an asylum seeker in a hotel you're getting less than a tenner a week. It shouldn't really be a surprise people are then looking for cash in hand work. The system is designed around quick processing of applications when the reality is its taking years.

Nationwide clampdown on delivery riders working illegally

Ramp-up of arrests and visits set to take place across the UK targeting migrants working illegally in the gig economy

www.gov.uk

 

[chiefdave]

I think the point is Dave he won.

He did indeed. And look how much better off we are now

 

[wingy]

I think the point is Dave he won.

Then the question arises who in the establishment wanted this scenario,a ten to fifteen year project?

 

[Grendel]

He did indeed. And look how much better off we are now

He’d win again

 

[chiefdave]

I can see absolutely no holes in Starmers ID card plans

You won't have to carry IDs around
You'll never be asked to produce it

 

[Sick Boy]

Don’t underestimate the pull Farage has. He speaks common sense and seems to come from the heart. He doesn’t need to do this, he wants to and people will relate to that.

He’s not your typical career politician, at least he believes in what he says. Starmer is not a natural leader and comes across as a weak person.

People laughed at Farage for years, no one ever took him serious and look what he did with brexit.

When it comes to election time he has Trump and Musk on his side can you just imagine how much they are going to help him too. It’s only going one way.

What? Musk has said that Reform needs a new leader and Trump’s presidency will be all but over.

 

[Dougin]

I can see absolutely no holes in Starmers ID card plans

He's using illegal immigration as an excuse to get it through though and people dont trust him.

He should be spedning his time on stopping them getting in here if he really cared. The bloke is hated by almost everybody.

 

[Dougin]

What? Musk has said that Reform needs a new leader and Trump’s presidency will be all but over.

Wishful thinking from you, dont believe everything you hear

 

[Sick Boy]

Wishful thinking from you, dont believe everything you hear

Elon Musk launches fresh attack on ‘weak’ Nigel Farage

Musk’s attack is the latest saga in his deteriorating relationship with Reform UK’s Farage

www.independent.co.uk

Elon Musk calls for Nigel Farage to be replaced as Reform UK leader

Nigel Farage claims Musk's call is due to a disagreement over support for far-right activist Tommy Robinson.

www.bbc.co.uk

'Weak sauce': Elon Musk reignites public spat with Nigel Farage

On Tuesday, Farage vowed to pull the UK out of the European Convention on Human Rights and start mass deportations of anyone who arrived in the country illegally.

www.euronews.com

 

[David O'Day]

Not a fake account, sorry to disappoint you.

2 really unpopular people? prove that?

Here is a list of the top X accounts:

1. Elon Musk: (@elonmusk)
2. Barack Obama: (@BarackObama)
3. Cristiano Ronaldo: (@Cristiano)
4. Donald Trump: (@realDonaldTrump)

Yeah you are and X isn't real life and also people hate follow you know.

Good work though, like this one.

 

[David O'Day]

I can see absolutely no holes in Starmers ID card plans

to be fair that isn't the point, it can stop you accessing normal society which actually is one of the reasons people see the UK as an easy touch

most EU countries now have some form of national ID card

 

[RegTheDonk]

Dave / Wingy, not arguing weather Brixit was good or bad, just agreeing with Dougin about Farage. Immigration probably isn't the major issue affecting us working folks, paying the bills etc... but the perception is it's out of control and nobody else seems to want to take radical steps to address it. Digital ID cards, ffs.

 

[fernandopartridge]

to be fair that isn't the point, it can stop you accessing normal society which actually is one of the reasons people see the UK as an easy touch

most EU countries now have some form of national ID card

The UK has lower levels of asylum seeking relative to its population than the European average according to parliament's own report

https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN01403/SN01403.pdf

 

[wingy]

to be fair that isn't the point, it can stop you accessing normal society which actually is one of the reasons people see the UK as an easy touch

most EU countries now have some form of national ID card

An industry of fakes then?

 

[David O'Day]

The UK has lower levels of asylum seeking relative to its population than the European average according to parliament's own report

https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN01403/SN01403.pdf

and, there are still lots of people who cross lots of safe european countries because we are seen as a softer touch

this is just a fact

 

[David O'Day]

An industry of fakes then?

you don't actually get a physical card

 

[Dougin]

Yeah you are and X isn't real life and also people hate follow you know.

Good work though, like this one.

Wrong on both.

 

[fernandopartridge]

and, there are still lots of people who cross lots of safe european countries because we are seen as a softer touch

this is just a fact

why isn't it borne out in the numbers?

 

[David O'Day]

Wrong on both.

nope, top work though

 

[David O'Day]

why isn't it borne out in the numbers?

it is though, the amount of people who stay in other countries is meaningless

it's the reasons why stay in other safe countries but choose not to is what they are looking at and looking for ways to make it less desirable for people to do so.

So yes most people don't come to the uk but a lot do and pass through other safe countries

 

[chiefdave]

Dave / Wingy, not arguing weather Brixit was good or bad, just agreeing with Dougin about Farage. Immigration probably isn't the major issue affecting us working folks, paying the bills etc... but the perception is it's out of control and nobody else seems to want to take radical steps to address it. Digital ID cards, ffs.

This is the issue really. We're in an era of vibe based politics.

Immigration being a prime example. When people are surveyed about what they think the numbers around various related things are they are generally way off which then makes it incredibly difficult to resolve to anyone's satisfaction.

The actual problems, why we're all skint and depressed, isn't even being addressed because people are too busy running about shouting 'stop the boats'.

 

[fernandopartridge]

I found an email from the recruitment department of an employer I applied for a job with (this was all to be provided before I'd even had an interview). I cannot see how adding just another method of ID on top of those below solves any of the problems.

A United Kingdom passport describing the holder as a British citizen or as a citizen of
the United Kingdom and Colonies having the right of abode in the United Kingdom.
 A passport containing a certificate of entitlement issued by, or on behalf of, the
Government of the United Kingdom, certifying that the holder has the right of abode
in the United Kingdom.
 A passport or national identity card, issues by a State which is party to the European
Economic Area Agreement, or any other agreement forming part of the Communities
Treaties which confers the rights of entry or residence into the United Kingdom, which
describes the holder as a national of a State which is party to that Agreement.
 A United Kingdom Residence Permit issued to a national of a State which is party to
the European Economic Area Agreement, or any other agreement forming part of the
Communities Treaties which confirms that the holder has the rights of entry or
residence in the United Kingdom.

Invite to Interview Enclosure
 A passport or other travel document, or a residence document issued by the Home
Office which endorsed to show that the holder has a current right of residence in the
United Kingdom as a family member of a named national of a State which is a party to
the European Economic Area Agreement, or any other agreement forming part of the
Communities Treaties which confers rights of entry to or residence in the United
Kingdom, and who is resident in the United Kingdom.
 A passport or other travel document endorsed to show that the holder is exempt form
immigration control has Indefinite leave to Enter or Remain in the United Kingdom or
has no time limit on their stay.
 A passport or other travel document endorsed to show that the holder has current
leave to enter, or remain in, the United Kingdom and is permitted to take the
employment in question, provided that it does not require the issue of a work permit.
 A registration card which indicates that the holder is entitled to take employment in
the United Kingdom.

 

[Dougin]

This is the issue really. We're in an era of vibe based politics.

Immigration being a prime example. When people are surveyed about what they think the numbers around various related things are they are generally way off which then makes it incredibly difficult to resolve to anyone's satisfaction.

The actual problems, why we're all skint and depressed, isn't even being addressed because people are too busy running about shouting 'stop the boats'.

I think the boats thing really gets people angry for a few reasons.

1. A lot of Families are working full time, both partners and they are still absolutley skint. They see people getting given things for free when they have contributed nothing to this country and have entered illegally, its like rubbing salt in the wound.

2. We have no idea who they are, the vast majority are economic migrants because if they wasnt they would stay in the first safe country they entered.

3. Its embarrasing for our nation that we cant deal with it as career politicians are more interested in keeping their job than dealing with the divisve issue.


I think that vast majority of people in this country welcome migration and are open and welcoming. It the "illegal" immigration they dont want.

 

[Captain Dart]

While I disagree with this chaps politics I think he has every right to state his opinion even if it offends however in Starmer's UK if you say the wrong thing the Police may come round in the middle of the night to arrest you, here is a video of a social media transgressor being arrested.
View attachment ARREST.mp4

Posted I guess after he was released.

 

[TomRad85]

While I disagree with this chaps politics I think he has every right to state his opinion even if it offends however in Starmer's UK if you say the wrong thing the Police may come round in the middle of the night to arrest you, here is a video of a social media transgressor being arrested.
View attachment 46229

Posted I guess after he was released.

This country is actually embarrassing. We need change now.

 

[Captain Dart]

I found an email from the recruitment department of an employer I applied for a job with (this was all to be provided before I'd even had an interview). I cannot see how adding just another method of ID on top of those below solves any of the problems.

A single point of failure when the hackers get to work.
I'm not complying whatever the consequences, Starmer can get to fuck.

PS The petition to parliament is going well over 1 million signed, it was only 300,000 2 days ago.

Petition: Do not introduce Digital ID cards

We demand that the UK Government immediately commits to not introducing a digital ID cards. There are reports that this is being looked at.

petition.parliament.uk

 

[Nick]

While I disagree with this chaps politics I think he has every right to state his opinion even if it offends however in Starmer's UK if you say the wrong thing the Police may come round in the middle of the night to arrest you, here is a video of a social media transgressor being arrested.
View attachment 46229

Posted I guess after he was released.

It's embarrassing really.

 

[mmttww]

Just seen what he posted. It's beyond grim, but I don't see how you make a case that it's inciting anyone to do anything. If that's the basis for the arrest, that's a stretch and probs. a waste of time.

You could probably make an argument that it's hate speech so I don't think it'd be mad if you got your profile suspended for it and I reckon the world would be a better place if people didn't post stuff like that.

What's the idea that this is on the government btw? Is there something they brought in since the election that means the outcome would've been different under the last lot? or is it just the Kier Stalin meme?

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Just seen what he posted. It's beyond grim, but I don't see how you make a case that it's inciting anyone to do anything. If that's the basis for the arrest, that's a stretch and probs. a waste of time.

You could probably make an argument that it's hate speech so I don't think it'd be mad if you got your profile suspended for it and I reckon the world would be a better place if people didn't post stuff like that.

What's the idea that this is on the government btw? Is there something they brought in since the election that means the outcome would've been different under the last lot? or is it just the Kier Stalin meme?

Are you seriously trying to say saying ‘fuck Hamas’ is hate speech? You are a lost cause and a very very strange bloke. Time for a reality check from yourself, it’s an embarrassing moment

 

[David O'Day]

While I disagree with this chaps politics I think he has every right to state his opinion even if it offends however in Starmer's UK if you say the wrong thing the Police may come round in the middle of the night to arrest you, here is a video of a social media transgressor being arrested.
View attachment 46229

Posted I guess after he was released.

What law has this government brought in to make this happen? Or is the already existing laws that are used and you want to just say "starmers UK".

Genuine question.

 

[mmttww]

Are you seriously trying to say saying ‘fuck Hamas’ is hate speech? You are a lost cause and a very very strange bloke

Have you read what he posted? because that's not all it said. Have a look, lemme know if you feel different.

 

[David O'Day]

A single point of failure when the hackers get to work.
I'm not complying whatever the consequences, Starmer can get to fuck.

PS The petition to parliament is going well over 1 million signed, it was only 300,000 2 days ago.

Petition: Do not introduce Digital ID cards

We demand that the UK Government immediately commits to not introducing a digital ID cards. There are reports that this is being looked at.

petition.parliament.uk

You'll have to or you won't have a job. If it's the law that your employer or bank has to check these things what are you going to do?

It does make me laugh.