Grendel
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She will probably be elected next time
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She will probably be elected next time
I think you’ll find I was saying “this government has passed actual legislation that actually gives renters more rights and that’s more important than whether one of their MPs is a landlord” but go off.
I’ll ask again, which government in your lifetime or before was more left wing in your opinion? We might not have had it raining free gumdrops but we’ve had investment on rail, energy, the NHS far above what we would have got. We’ve got planning reform to come if the environmental groups don’t fuck it that could seriously dent the housing crisis and get infrastructure built before everyone in this thread is in care.
“sElF iMpOsEd DeFiCiT pInChInG”
£41bn of new taxes, mostly on wealth and corporations, £30bn a year extra investment spending.
It may not be enough for you, Blair wasn’t enough for a lot of people either. But I’d sure as hell take it over any of the alternatives. And doing nothing but shitting on the only left wing option we’ve got in a sea of proto-fascists doesn’t seem particularly progressive to me
“but the vibes man”
All of this.
If you ignore all of the left wing things this government have done then they're the most right wing government ever.
In the same way that if you ignore the fact that the 2015 and 2019 lot didn't get elected they're bestest and most left wing government ever.
Arse licking is your speciality, your desperation to be liked by someone, anyone, is quite tragic at times.
Grendel
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You literally swallow every word he says
He is a total idiot. I felt marginally sorry for him that his father sold him a lie which should have conflicted him but he then just digs down on the nonsense he believes he’s still got a left wing mantra.
He’s an idiot - his father tried to weaponise the Trust against its own fanbase and he supported it.
It’s not me who said it is only you and he who said labours doing a great job is it?
chiefdave
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Its going to do very little, it will be same shit under a different flag. Doesn't even attempt to do anything about issues like ROSCOs.
Just a way to say they've made the railways public while actually doing very little.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Read this in a cockney accent
fernandopartridge
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chiefdave
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Homelessness Minister Rushanara Ali quits over rent increase claims
It comes after she increased rent on a house she owns within weeks of the previous tenants' contracts ending.
www.bbc.co.uk
fernandopartridge
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I mean a few months is an incredibly long time for a house to be on the market, and with the passing of such a period of time only right that the rent was increased by £700 per month.
Corbyn's shadow cabinet contained MPs who rented out flats.
Nothing will ever be left wing enough for you. It just doesn't exist.
But I guess if Reform get in next time round you can pat yourselves on the back for another job well done
Homelessness Minister Rushanara Ali quits over rent increase claims
It comes after she increased rent on a house she owns within weeks of the previous tenants' contracts ending.
I'm not surprised she's resigned, the optics of it are pretty awful.
But my original point was the headline was awful clickbait shite that made it sound a million times worse than it is.
fernandopartridge
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I am really not sure why you continue to talk about Corbyn as if he is the be all and end all of left wing politics or somebody I care about the next.Corbyn's shadow cabinet contained MPs who rented out flats.
Nothing will ever be left wing enough for you. It just doesn't exist.
But I guess if Reform get in next time round you can pat yourselves on the back for another job well done
I know to a dyed in the wool Tory like you or shmmeee he's probably akin to Vladimir Lenin but he isn't really far left by any historical standard.
Because I doubt you ever raised concerns about Labour MPs renting out flats back then, now all of a sudden it's a big deal for you.
And yes, quite. As I say, nothing will ever be far enough left for you.
shmmeee
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If “abolishing the private rented sector” is your bar for an acceptable government then boy have you got some disappointment in your future.
fernandopartridge
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You will agree with me that the reliance on the private rental sector to provide houses for people who can't buy one is wrong and unsustainable
shmmeee
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Will I? It seems to have sustained itself pretty well so far.
I’ll agree that the market is distorted thanks to decades of undersupply and that’s leads to all sorts of unwanted side effects including excessive landlordism. The best thing that could happen is we start building houses. Hopefully Labour can get that through and your mates won’t scupper it and claim to be left wing.
mmttww
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Some people don't want to buy a home. Lots of people could afford to buy one but choose not to because renting suits their circumstances. I don't get this take at all.
Isn't it a sector that's more widely used and gives better outcomes for tenants in a lot of countries in Europe? i.e. it's more closely regulated, encourages stability etc.?
shmmeee
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Our housing market is a big reason why renting is shit here. It makes houses an investment and sucks investment from elsewhere in the economy while hiking prices for people who just want to live near a job. It’s all downstream of not building enough houses where we need them because of spurious complains mostly from people who live there and want to keep their values high because they too see it as an investment.
Building a surplus of houses where they’re needed literally solves so many issues, but men would rather literally reorganise the economy and human nature rather than build a three bed semi I guess.
chiefdave
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What about rent controls? Set a maximum that can be charged for each property, would that help?
Would be very easy to implement here as every property already has a 'value' as it has a council tax band.
Ultimately we need to build a lot of houses and fast but there's little sign of that happening. Where I live there's been plans for a new housing estate with 2.5K houses for as long as I can remember, its had planning permission for 5 years, still no sign of any work starting anytime soon. What was the last build of more than a handful of houses in Cov, Bannerbrook?
Would be very easy to implement here as every property already has a 'value' as it has a council tax band.
Ultimately we need to build a lot of houses and fast but there's little sign of that happening. Where I live there's been plans for a new housing estate with 2.5K houses for as long as I can remember, its had planning permission for 5 years, still no sign of any work starting anytime soon. What was the last build of more than a handful of houses in Cov, Bannerbrook?
mmttww
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Meanwhile, in totally normal BAU politics land...
www.bbc.co.uk
Rupert Lowe mistakes charity rowers for 'illegal migrants'
Rupert Lowe says he will donate £1,000 to charity but makes "no apologies over being vigilant".
www.bbc.co.uk
Brighton Sky Blue
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You'd probably need to base it on whatever the landlord bought the house for. A number of my Tory friends are private landlords who have bemoaned that the previous government made life easier for tenants, which probably sums up the general state of play. If the juice isn't worth the squeeze they'll sell up.
shmmeee
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Rent controls help people in rented accommodation now but tend to push up prices for everyone else.
We really need planning reform.
fernandopartridge
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The key word is private
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Has it sustained itself?
We've got increasing homelessness (which is also linked to increase in population) but most importantly the cost of housing as a percentage of earnings is going up and a major factor in the cost of living crisis.
Part of that will be due to poor wages and wage stagnation but the fact people are buying properties as investments and income generators increases the cost as those people offer more than people wanting a house to live in as it's a business investment and then recoup that (plus profit) in rent is a huge factor as well.
Increasing supply by building houses is undoubtedly an important factor in sorting out the cost of housing, but if you added in big restrictions on the private rental market in terms of number of properties allowed to be owned and not allowing for profit companies to own residential property this would also have a huge impact.
mmttww
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Is it? Some people can afford to buy but don't want to. Why is that not a market the private sector would want a piece of? Genuinely confused on this one.
fernandopartridge
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Jesus wept
mmttww
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What are you bring a patronising tw*t for?
Grendel
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The main objection to the rental economy is that people generally would prefer a house to purchase. It’s a tiny percentage of people who would prefer to rent
fernandopartridge
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Because you are being obtuse
I think the main driver is the access to finance,it seems to me
mmttww
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because of how sh*t the rental market is.
Grendel
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No it isn’t? Why would anyone in their right minds want to rent if they could buy?