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chiefdave

chiefdave

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SkyBlueDom26 said:

She’ll be so missed with everything she’s done for the city, not
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She's my MP and has been great. Excellent when I've asked for help on stuff that frankly isn't her responsibility but my 3 tory councillors couldn't muster a response to an email between them despite it being their area of responsibility.

Bizarrely my Mum, who is the stereotypical Mail reading, Thatcher loving tory, thinks she's great and in her 70s voted Labour for the first time in her life.
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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chiefdave said:
Presume you're talking about the horrific targeting of refuges with people setting fire to homes and hotels. Not sure I'd really class that purely as properly damage, or direct action, to me you're in the area of attempted murder.

Interestingly I've seen it reported that the police are reluctant to get involved, unless it reaches a point where they have no other option, because those undertaking the violence are backed by the UDA and UVF. They are of course both proscribed groups.
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No the link I gave was to a building site building home that were to be for immigrants, so no chance of death.
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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tisza said:
Think we're treading a very fine line atm (like many other "democracies"). Restricting internet usage (whether it's age checks, amount of online time) is still has a feel that there's too much personal information being stored by tech companies, websites or govt.I'm sure AI will find a way to get kids around age verification.
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The second a kid cries his Roblox has shut off the mum is switching to her age approved account isn’t she really? Age old kid tech of whining.
 
chiefdave

chiefdave

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shmmeee said:
The second a kid cries his Roblox has shut off the mum is switching to her age approved account isn’t she really? Age old kid tech of whining.
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As my boss pointed out every customer of the big 4 (BT, Sky, TalkTalk and Virgin Media) has to opt in to view content deemed for over 18s, by default your internet connection will be filtered. So to start with for kids to be able to access this stuff the parents have to have disabled it.

He then also pointed out that he has copies of all of our driving licenses and passports, what stops him using those to verify?

Absolute performative nonsense that will more than likely make the problem they are trying to solve far worse before you even consider the inevitable data breaches, identify theft, blackmail opportunities.
 
chiefdave

chiefdave

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Just seen a news report that one VPN provider, not even a big name I'd heard of, are reporting a 1,400% increase in subscriptions from the UK and the top search today on google for the UK is VPN.

If only someone could have predicted this and warned the government, oh wait, they did and were ignored as usual.
 
Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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chiefdave said:
As my boss pointed out every customer of the big 4 (BT, Sky, TalkTalk and Virgin Media) has to opt in to view content deemed for over 18s, by default your internet connection will be filtered. So to start with for kids to be able to access this stuff the parents have to have disabled it.

He then also pointed out that he has copies of all of our driving licenses and passports, what stops him using those to verify?

Absolute performative nonsense that will more than likely make the problem they are trying to solve far worse before you even consider the inevitable data breaches, identify theft, blackmail opportunities.
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Doesn't come across as a solution to the problem, more a way of ensuring shady capitalists get to make a buck on people's data.
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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tisza said:
Make a similar case for free speech.
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chiefdave said:
As my boss pointed out every customer of the big 4 (BT, Sky, TalkTalk and Virgin Media) has to opt in to view content deemed for over 18s, by default your internet connection will be filtered. So to start with for kids to be able to access this stuff the parents have to have disabled it.

He then also pointed out that he has copies of all of our driving licenses and passports, what stops him using those to verify?

Absolute performative nonsense that will more than likely make the problem they are trying to solve far worse before you even consider the inevitable data breaches, identify theft, blackmail opportunities.
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Im not sure about that. I think people make a lot of data theft but most of these systems are pretty secure and don’t store your details afaik.

It’s just not practical. But then we keep saying that and if we’re honest we’ve pretty effectively removed content from most people before. We just like to say “oh you can’t censor the internet” but you can and probably should. Not for this though. But for the huge amounts of foreign psyop shit that’s driving the adults crazy.
 
Grendel

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Captain Dart

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tisza said:
news.sky.com

Age verification tools on adult websites bypassed in seconds

Using widely available technology, well-known ethical hackers Chris Kubecka and Paula Popovici quickly accessed numerous pornography sites without ever verifying their ages.
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Kids going to the darkweb doesn't seem a positive step either
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Treat below as unverified but...

I've seen it said that the government are already using the new 'Online Safety' act as a vehicle to censor footage of protests they don't like.

It's also been said Twitter has been blocking some videos coming out of Gaza, I wonder what is likely to happen to YouTube.

There are also some non porn sites that will close because they don't have the resources to implement the id verification checks.

Is this site likely to be effected?

The shit show is unfolding. 😁
 
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chiefdave

chiefdave

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shmmeee said:
Im not sure about that. I think people make a lot of data theft but most of these systems are pretty secure and don’t store your details afaik.

It’s just not practical. But then we keep saying that and if we’re honest we’ve pretty effectively removed content from most people before. We just like to say “oh you can’t censor the internet” but you can and probably should. Not for this though. But for the huge amounts of foreign psyop shit that’s driving the adults crazy.
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How are you defining 'these systems'? There's no regulation, there's not even any recommendations on how it should be implemented.

This is a cost to websites so you can pretty much guarantee they will outsource it to the cheapest provider who could be based who knows where. We've had years of trying to teach people about identity theft and being very careful about what data you had over online to now turn round and say scan your passport, driving license and credit card and hand it over to any website that requests it.

With perfect timing look at what has happened to the Tea app yesterday. That's a women only app that requires photo id verification to open an account. You can now search a google map to see all registered users and link that back to a publicly viewable copy of their photo id. The government managed to accidentally email the details of 18,000 people in Afghanistan. Struggle to buy into the idea that every website on the planet will now be using some super secure, state of the art, ethical and unhackable age verification service.
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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chiefdave said:
How are you defining 'these systems'? There's no regulation, there's not even any recommendations on how it should be implemented.

This is a cost to websites so you can pretty much guarantee they will outsource it to the cheapest provider who could be based who knows where. We've had years of trying to teach people about identity theft and being very careful about what data you had over online to now turn round and say scan your passport, driving license and credit card and hand it over to any website that requests it.

With perfect timing look at what has happened to the Tea app yesterday. That's a women only app that requires photo id verification to open an account. You can now search a google map to see all registered users and link that back to a publicly viewable copy of their photo id. The government managed to accidentally email the details of 18,000 people in Afghanistan. Struggle to buy into the idea that every website on the planet will now be using some super secure, state of the art, ethical and unhackable age verification service.
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You could say this about literally any online database though. We still have online databases.

I think most will go with a photo based system based on AI and all the problems that come with it. They’ll use the ai that lets the most people through while still claiming legitimacy.

Not to bang the drum again but proper ID cards solve most of this really. I’m just not sure this wild west image of online is either particularly useful or particularly realistic considering without any government effort we’ve consolidated the entire web into about six sites owned by billionaire Americans and Chinese ( aided by SEO shitbags who have destroyed the rest of the web). And that’s where the major threat vector is. Not Geoffs Geocities page. Just not sure “hey man information wants to be free” works as an argument after the last ten years.

(I’m out the country right now and may have a totally different opinion once I’ve experienced this stuff back home)
 
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Sick Boy

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chiefdave said:
How are you defining 'these systems'? There's no regulation, there's not even any recommendations on how it should be implemented.

This is a cost to websites so you can pretty much guarantee they will outsource it to the cheapest provider who could be based who knows where. We've had years of trying to teach people about identity theft and being very careful about what data you had over online to now turn round and say scan your passport, driving license and credit card and hand it over to any website that requests it.

With perfect timing look at what has happened to the Tea app yesterday. That's a women only app that requires photo id verification to open an account. You can now search a google map to see all registered users and link that back to a publicly viewable copy of their photo id. The government managed to accidentally email the details of 18,000 people in Afghanistan. Struggle to buy into the idea that every website on the planet will now be using some super secure, state of the art, ethical and unhackable age verification service.
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I think the Tea app is more down 'vibe coding'.
 
chiefdave

chiefdave

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Captain Dart said:
I've seen it said that the government are already using the new 'Online Safety' act as a vehicle to censor footage of protests they don't like.

Twitter has been blocking some videos coming out of Gaza, I wonder what is likely to happen to YouTube..

There are also some non porn sites that will close because they don't have the resources to implement the id verification checks.

Is this site likely to be effected?

The shit show is unfolding. 😁
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Twitter have absolutely fucked it already. They've implemented it Europe wide when it only applies to the UK and have no method of allowing you to verify your age. You've got the left complaining news such as Gaza is being blocked and you've got the right complaining news such as the immigrant protests are blocked, then a whole bunch of people who don't realise that their feed is now being censored. We used to mock countries like China for doing this kind of thing.

Some people are assuming it's just porn, it is not at all. The wording of the act is incredibly vague so anything that could be in anyway considered harmful has to be considered but of course its the service provider who has to make that call and if they get it wrong they are liable so of course all sorts of things are getting caught in the net.

You can't access the cider reddit ffs, is that really a danger to kids? More seriously things like support for victims of sexual assault & domestic violence are now blocked. Want help with drug addition, alcoholism, stopping smoking, eating disorders, self harm etc etc? You can't get it unless you hand over your ID, it's insane.

Some people seem very trusting of who they hand their data over to and what they will do with it. When there's leaks there's an excuse, it was a badly coded app, human error or some other similar excuse yet not a week passes by where we don't hear about a major company having an issue. Do you check every website you visit and every app you use to ensure they meet a certain standard of coding and data security? Of course not. It's a disaster waiting to happen.
 
Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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chiefdave said:
Twitter have absolutely fucked it already. They've implemented it Europe wide when it only applies to the UK and have no method of allowing you to verify your age. You've got the left complaining news such as Gaza is being blocked and you've got the right complaining news such as the immigrant protests are blocked, then a whole bunch of people who don't realise that their feed is now being censored. We used to mock countries like China for doing this kind of thing.

Some people are assuming it's just porn, it is not at all. The wording of the act is incredibly vague so anything that could be in anyway considered harmful has to be considered but of course its the service provider who has to make that call and if they get it wrong they are liable so of course all sorts of things are getting caught in the net.

You can't access the cider reddit ffs, is that really a danger to kids? More seriously things like support for victims of sexual assault & domestic violence are now blocked. Want help with drug addition, alcoholism, stopping smoking, eating disorders, self harm etc etc? You can't get it unless you hand over your ID, it's insane.

Some people seem very trusting of who they hand their data over to and what they will do with it. When there's leaks there's an excuse, it was a badly coded app, human error or some other similar excuse yet not a week passes by where we don't hear about a major company having an issue. Do you check every website you visit and every app you use to ensure they meet a certain standard of coding and data security? Of course not. It's a disaster waiting to happen.
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The UK seems to be reaching new lows on its passage to rock bottom at a staggering pace. I just cannot believe the level of such consistent incompetence. It actually has me questioning how much of it is actually that, or if they're just on a permanent wind up.

They've just announced they want to lower the voting age to 16, yet want to block people that age from seeing the world around them. I don't see how anyone can argue that makes sense.
 
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wingy

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chiefdave said:
Twitter have absolutely fucked it already. They've implemented it Europe wide when it only applies to the UK and have no method of allowing you to verify your age. You've got the left complaining news such as Gaza is being blocked and you've got the right complaining news such as the immigrant protests are blocked, then a whole bunch of people who don't realise that their feed is now being censored. We used to mock countries like China for doing this kind of thing.

Some people are assuming it's just porn, it is not at all. The wording of the act is incredibly vague so anything that could be in anyway considered harmful has to be considered but of course its the service provider who has to make that call and if they get it wrong they are liable so of course all sorts of things are getting caught in the net.

You can't access the cider reddit ffs, is that really a danger to kids? More seriously things like support for victims of sexual assault & domestic violence are now blocked. Want help with drug addition, alcoholism, stopping smoking, eating disorders, self harm etc etc? You can't get it unless you hand over your ID, it's insane.

Some people seem very trusting of who they hand their data over to and what they will do with it. When there's leaks there's an excuse, it was a badly coded app, human error or some other similar excuse yet not a week passes by where we don't hear about a major company having an issue. Do you check every website you visit and every app you use to ensure they meet a certain standard of coding and data security? Of course not. It's a disaster waiting to happen.
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It's almost like that's what it's designed to be like?
 
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