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[SBT]

It is comparing Apples v Apples as it is holding up a sign for a proscribed terrorist organisation.

Assuming for one moment you’re capable of independent thought on this, do you personally see the supporters of Palestine Action and the supporters of ISIS as posing a similar kind of threat?

 

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

Assuming for one moment you’re capable of independent thought on this, do you personally see the supporters of Palestine Action and the supporters of ISIS as posing a similar kind of threat?

Another poster who disagrees with essentially everything this Labour government does, but not this.

 

[shmmeee]

They stood a candidate in the London mayoral election last year, so they can't be classed as terrorists unless something changed in the past year.

Don’t think Britain First have done anything other than recent hotel stuff that you might call direct action. Mostly it’s just turning up and being loud, pissed and racist.

They tend to stay one step away from the full on neo-Nazi groups.

 

[wingy]

Assuming for one moment you’re capable of independent thought on this, do you personally see the supporters of Palestine Action and the supporters of ISIS as posing a similar kind of threat?

Well it can keep you out of this country.

 

[duffer]

“now”? It’s been that way since the legislation was introduced.

The Suffragettes were terrorists by any reasonable definition of the word, they planted bombs FFS!

Don’t follow Greenpeace closely so not sure what they’ve done that could count as serious property damage or threats of violence/acts of violence. Most DA groups don’t go near that line, JSO’s art attacks are arguably the closest. But attacking the UK military is always going to be more of a problem than damaging artwork. XR direct action I don’t think tipped into serious property damage. As I said I think ULEZ stuff does.

I think there’s good arguments for changing the definition to not include property damage or even for scrapping terror laws entirely, but there’s no way in hell a Labour govt is going to be seen being “soft on terror” so good luck with that.

As it stands the law of the land for the last quarter of a century is that if you try and change government policy through serious property damage, threats of violence and actual violence you are a terrorist. If you can find a definition that puts all the good causes one side and all the nasty ones the other then crack on.

I think you're a bit obsessed with whether it's a good cause or not, when the better question is, "is it an appropriate response or not".

The law of the land also covers criminal damage, crimes of or threats of violence, and conspiracy to commit the above, quite well. What does making Palestinian Action a terrorist group add to that - at least whilst they claim to be non-violent?

As for the politics of it, we seem to have a Labour government that is now cracking down overtly on pro-Palestinian protest, whilst doing the square root of fuck all about the Israeli state literally committing genocide and ethnic cleansing in Gaza (actual violent terror).

Personally, I don't think this approach is a vote winner for them.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Don’t think Britain First have done anything other than recent hotel stuff that you might call direct action. Mostly it’s just turning up and being loud, pissed and racist.

They tend to stay one step away from the full on neo-Nazi groups.

If memory serves a Labour MP was sent death threats for saying BF should be proscribed.

 

[Nick]

Assuming for one moment you’re capable of independent thought on this, do you personally see the supporters of Palestine Action and the supporters of ISIS as posing a similar kind of threat?

It doesn't matter what I think, I am sure there are some in this country who think ISIS aren't a threat and others who think the IRA aren't a threat and are the goodies.

Have every group on the list actually carried out violence?

 

[shmmeee]

I think you're a bit obsessed with whether it's a good cause or not, when the better question is, "is it an appropriate response or not".

The law of the land also covers criminal damage, crimes of or threats of violence, and conspiracy to commit the above, quite well. What does making Palestinian Action a terrorist group add to that - at least whilst they claim to be non-violent?

As for the politics of it, we seem to have a Labour government that is now cracking down overtly on pro-Palestinian protest, whilst doing the square root of fuck all about the Israeli state literally committing genocide and ethnic cleansing in Gaza (actual violent terror).

Personally, I don't think this approach is a vote winner for them.

Attacking the UK military, whatever the cause, concerns the UK govt far more than the actions of a sovereign state. I’ve not said it’s a vote winner, but your argument comes down to “come on let’s not apply the law to people we like”

 

[SBT]

It doesn't matter what I think, I am sure there are some in this country who think ISIS aren't a threat and others who think the IRA aren't a threat and are the goodies.

Have every group on the list actually carried out violence?

I’m asking to hear your opinion, of course it matters what you think.

You’re perfectly comfortable ranting about all kinds of other stuff, on this you just clam up and say “well the government says so”….very odd

 

[shmmeee]

If memory serves a Labour MP was sent death threats for saying BF should be proscribed.

I’m not sure they could be is my point, they’d probably win an appeal as they’ve not planned serious property damage or violence. They leave that to groups like National Action, who are proscribed.

 

[Nick]

I’m asking to hear your opinion, of course it matters what you think.

You’re perfectly comfortable ranting about all kinds of other stuff, on this you just clam up and say “well the government says so”….very odd

When have I said that? I said I am comparing Apples against Apples because they are both on the terror list. I didn't put them there

The point is, if somebody knowingly and purposely shows support for a terror group then they are likely (and rightly) going to be in trouble.

It isn't clamming up, it is explaining why people get in trouble for supporting them.

 

[Grendel]

I’m asking to hear your opinion, of course it matters what you think.

You’re perfectly comfortable ranting about all kinds of other stuff, on this you just clam up and say “well the government says so”….very odd

You refused to answer why you wouldn’t support Palestine Action?

 

[SBT]

When have I said that? I said I am comparing Apples against Apples because they are both on the terror list. I didn't put them there

The point is, if somebody knowingly and purposely shows support for a terror group then they are likely (and rightly) going to be in trouble.

It isn't clamming up, it is explaining why people get in trouble for supporting them.

I understand the law Nick - I’m asking for your personal opinion on whether you think Palestine Action supporters pose a similar threat to ISIS supporters. Or do you think they pose the same threat because the government told you they did?

 

[SBT]

You refused to answer why you wouldn’t support Palestine Action?

Why is it relevant? I don’t agree with their methods.

 

[Grendel]

When have I said that? I said I am comparing Apples against Apples because they are both on the terror list. I didn't put them there

The point is, if somebody knowingly and purposely shows support for a terror group then they are likely (and rightly) going to be in trouble.

It isn't clamming up, it is explaining why people get in trouble for supporting them.

He plays this game a lot but ducks direct questions all the time

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I’m not sure they could be is my point, they’d probably win an appeal as they’ve not planned serious property damage or violence. They leave that to groups like National Action, who are proscribed.

I'm sure if Palestine Action members sent death threats to MPs they wouldn't be proscribed.

 

[Grendel]

I understand the law Nick - I’m asking for your personal opinion on whether you think Palestine Action supporters pose a similar threat to ISIS supporters. Or do you think they pose the same threat because the government told you they did?

It isn’t a league table of terrorist groups is it? Some are totally obscure.

 

[wingy]

Won't matter next week anyway,riot,civil war starts next week!

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

When have I said that? I said I am comparing Apples against Apples because they are both on the terror list. I didn't put them there

The point is, if somebody knowingly and purposely shows support for a terror group then they are likely (and rightly) going to be in trouble.

It isn't clamming up, it is explaining why people get in trouble for supporting them.

Labour decides a group is a terrorist group, they must be right.

Labour decides their economic policy is the best way to improve the economy, they're wrong.

Why is there this assumption that they're wrong about basically everything else but right on this?

 

[Grendel]

Labour decides a group is a terrorist group, they must be right.

Labour decides their economic policy is the best way to improve the economy, they're wrong.

Why is there this assumption that they're wrong about basically everything else but right on this?

Because any group who wants to cause crimes damage to our national security forces is a terrorist group. Why you can’t accept this is just weird.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Because any group who wants to cause crimes damage to our national security forces is a terrorist group. Why you can’t accept this is just weird.

This is how we feel when you wont admit that what Israel are doing to palastine is bad

 

[SBT]

It isn’t a league table of terrorist groups is it? Some are totally obscure.

While it’s very dashing of you to try and be Nick’s knight in shining armour here, none of what you’re saying precludes him from having his own opinion on the two groups, which he is strangely reluctant to share here.

 

[Grendel]

While it’s very dashing of you to try and be Nick’s knight in shining armour here, none of what you’re saying precludes him from having his own opinion on the two groups, which he is strangely reluctant to share here.

You don’t have to be blowing up people left right and centre to be a terrorist group. Having read up on Greenpeace I see why they are - it’s practically supporting anarchy.

Their actions and aims are clearly against the State. People can still oppose the Israel occupation perfectly legitimately. If when those group are given terrorist status then you protest the next day you deserve all you get

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Because any group who wants to cause crimes damage to our national security forces is a terrorist group. Why you can’t accept this is just weird.

This a defence of the Labour Party that would bring tears to shmmeee's eyes, what a pity he can't see it.

 

[Grendel]

This a defence of the Labour Party that would bring tears to shmmeee's eyes, what a pity he can't see it.

I support some of the welfare cuts as well and they shouldn’t have u turned

 

[Grendel]

I'm pretty sure BF is.

It isn’t

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I support some of the welfare cuts as well and they shouldn’t have u turned

Of course you do.

 

[Nick]

I understand the law Nick - I’m asking for your personal opinion on whether you think Palestine Action supporters pose a similar threat to ISIS supporters. Or do you think they pose the same threat because the government told you they did?

How do you want the threat to be measured?

Do all the "organisations" on the list pose the same threat on the threat-o-meter?

 

[SBT]

How do you want the threat to be measured?

Do all the "organisations" on the list pose the same threat on the threat-o-meter?

I personally don’t feel that the people who’ve been arrested for waving Palestine Action banners pose as much threat to the country as those who wave ISIS flags. I also think ISIS have done more damage to our country than Palestine Action have.

This isn’t a difficult conclusion for me to draw, but it seems like you’re still struggling with it?

 

[Grendel]

I personally don’t feel that the people who’ve been arrested for waving Palestine Action banners pose as much threat to the country as those who wave ISIS flags. I also think ISIS have done more damage to our country than Palestine Action have.

This isn’t a difficult conclusion for me to draw, but it seems like you’re still struggling with it?

I dont think Gordon Wardell poses as much threat to society as Harold shipman

 

[Nick]

I personally don’t feel that the people who’ve been arrested for waving Palestine Action banners pose as much threat to the country as those who wave ISIS flags. I also think ISIS have done more damage to our country than Palestine Action have.

This isn’t a difficult conclusion for me to draw, but it seems like you’re still struggling with it?

Can you go through and give me a scale of 1-10 of the threat of them all on the list and which ones people should be able to support and which they shouldn't?

I think motorways should have their speed limits as 100MPH personally, not sure it would get me off the speeding charge.

 

[SBT]

Can you go through and give me a scale of 1-10 of the threat of them all on the list and which ones people should be able to support and which they shouldn't?

You’re just being a bit silly now - if you’re too scared to share a basic opinion like I have then that’s fine.

 

[Nick]

You’re just being a bit silly now - if you’re too scared to share a basic opinion like I have then that’s fine.

It isn't about sharing an opinion or being "too scared".

The point is, it doesn't matter what I think. If people are holding up things supporting a group on the terror list then they are probably going to end up in trouble.

Unless of course the lawyers are going to bring up the thoughts of Nick on SBT as their defence along with the amount of tears from others to get them off any charges?

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

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Good luck to the lad

 

[Grendel]

You’re just being a bit silly now - if you’re too scared to share a basic opinion like I have then that’s fine.

He is being a bit silly…