Do you want to discuss boring politics? (30 Viewers)

[Sky Blue Pete]

They won a landslide because of our niche electoral system. I didn’t vote for Labour but it was good they got a majority because they should have pressed ahead with their agenda of NHS reform, ‘smashing the gangs’ and so on. I like that electoral system gives the winners large majorities.

However, it would be misguided to conclude that Labour was voted in enthusiastically. If this wasn’t obvious back then, their polling has tanked pretty aggressively since the election which hasn’t even been a year yet. That first 12 months is typically a ‘honeymoon period’ for most governments, it doesn’t tend to get much better.

It tanked the second they won due to social media mainly

 

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[PVA]

Yeah we had people (including at least one on here) demanding another general election straight away because they couldn't hack the fact they lost.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

It tanked the second they won due to social media mainly

No, the government has made decisions itself admitted were ‘difficult’. The winter fuel allowance being cut whilst the costs of migrant hotels spiralling is absolute toxic to the electorate. Raising taxes in their maiden budget again didn’t go down well.

Starmer is unpopular, people don’t trust him because he doesn’t appear to stand for anything in particular.

Before Xmas, I went to the panto and it was revealing that the biggest boo was an impersonation of Keir Starmer. Bearing in mind this came after Matt Slack did impersonated; Trump, Boris Johnson and Sunak beforehand.

Yesterday there were chants of ‘Starmer is a c**t’ v Andorra which reveals just how much working class voters despise him.

There are genuine questions whether or not Starmer fights the next election already.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

No, the government has made decisions itself admitted were ‘difficult’. The winter fuel allowance being cut whilst the costs of migrant hotels spiralling is absolute toxic to the electorate. Raising taxes in their maiden budget again didn’t go down well.

Starmer is unpopular, people don’t trust him because he doesn’t appear to stand for anything in particular.

Before Xmas, I went to the panto and it was revealing that the biggest boo was an impersonation of Keir Starmer. Bearing in mind this came after Matt Slack did impersonated; Trump, Boris Johnson and Sunak beforehand.

Yesterday there were chants of ‘Starmer is a c**t’ v Andorra which reveals just how much working class voters despise him.

There are genuine questions whether or not Starmer fights the next election already.

And you think that’s rational or logical at Xmas having had what 6 months

 

[Grendel]

And you think that’s rational or logical at Xmas having had what 6 months

Someone on here is criticising a reform council after 4 weeks?

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

And you think that’s rational or logical at Xmas having had what 6 months

Yes because you yourself have said you haven’t got what you voted for.

If you look at the 2024 election with a view that Labour wasn’t that popular in the first place, then their polling ratings today should make sense to anyone.

There’s a sense that Labour are nothing differently to the Tories and given their vote share is tanking again, should tell you everything.

If this government made cutting migration and ‘stopping the boats’ a genuine priority from Day 1, they’d be in a far better position. Instead, they’re drawing up plans to house illegal migrants in privately rented accommodation… pure toxic politically in the context of housing shortages.

Starmer has made the exact same blunder as Sunak by raising the salience of the ‘small boats’ and immigration without a credible plan to stop them.

 

[shmmeee]

They won a landslide because of our niche electoral system. I didn’t vote for Labour but it was good they got a majority because they should have pressed ahead with their agenda of NHS reform, ‘smashing the gangs’ and so on. I like that electoral system gives the winners large majorities.

However, it would be misguided to conclude that Labour was voted in enthusiastically. If this wasn’t obvious back then, their polling has tanked pretty aggressively since the election which hasn’t even been a year yet. That first 12 months is typically a ‘honeymoon period’ for most governments, it doesn’t tend to get much better.

If the electoral system was different the strategy and results would be different. You sound like the corbynites whining at the system cos your man can’t play it.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

If the electoral system was different the strategy and results would be different. You sound like the corbynites whining at the system cos your man can’t play it.

No, not at all. I believe results like 2019 and 2024 is a vindication of first past the post.

There’s point you seem to miss is that Labour’s public support is low to begin with so their landslide majority could become a minority v quickly. Polling suggests this is the case already.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Yes because you yourself have said you haven’t got what you voted for.

If you look at the 2024 election with a view that Labour wasn’t that popular in the first place, then their polling ratings today should make sense to anyone.

There’s a sense that Labour are nothing differently to the Tories and given their vote share is tanking again, should tell you everything.

If this government made cutting migration and ‘stopping the boats’ a genuine priority from Day 1, they’d be in a far better position. Instead, they’re drawing up plans to house illegal migrants in privately rented accommodation… pure toxic politically in the context of housing shortages.

Starmer has made the exact same blunder as Sunak by raising the salience of the ‘small boats’ and immigration without a credible plan to stop them.

There is no quick easy solution

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

There is no quick easy solution

To be honest, I’m coming round to the idea that we need to leave the ECHR, repeal the Human Rights Act and replace it with a British Bill of Rights.

Labour scrapping Rwanda without an alternative was a serious blunder. Even if it was a flawed plan and didn’t do what set out to do, it removed any deterrent there was.

If that it takes to solve the small boats issue and deport people who commit crimes and violate their visas, then it’s worth it.

 

[SBT]

Labour scrapping Rwanda without an alternative was a serious blunder. Even if it was a flawed plan and didn’t do what set out to do, it removed any deterrent there was.

What evidence is there that the Rwanda scheme acted as any kind of deterrent?

 

[chiefdave]

Before Xmas, I went to the panto and it was revealing that the biggest boo was an impersonation of Keir Starmer. Bearing in mind this came after Matt Slack did impersonated; Trump, Boris Johnson and Sunak beforehand.

Sounds like an entertaining night out for the kids

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

To be honest, I’m coming round to the idea that we need to leave the ECHR, repeal the Human Rights Act and replace it with a British Bill of Rights.

Labour scrapping Rwanda without an alternative was a serious blunder. Even if it was a flawed plan and didn’t do what set out to do, it removed any deterrent there was.

If that it takes to solve the small boats issue and deport people who commit crimes and violate their visas, then it’s worth it.

It didn’t remove any deterrent and those that come on boats are known to the system and are registered

 

[skybluetony176]

Labour scrapping Rwanda without an alternative

Ha ha ha, without an alternative. What’s the alternative to spanking £700 million to achieve nothing?

Not spanking £700 million to achieve nothing?

 

[MalcSB]

It’s like all the rights “cost savings” stealing from tomorrow to pay for today.

And Labour seem to be continuing that trend.

 

[MalcSB]

No, the government has made decisions itself admitted were ‘difficult’. The winter fuel allowance being cut whilst the costs of migrant hotels spiralling is absolute toxic to the electorate. Raising taxes in their maiden budget again didn’t go down well.

Starmer is unpopular, people don’t trust him because he doesn’t appear to stand for anything in particular.

Before Xmas, I went to the panto and it was revealing that the biggest boo was an impersonation of Keir Starmer. Bearing in mind this came after Matt Slack did impersonated; Trump, Boris Johnson and Sunak beforehand.

Yesterday there were chants of ‘Starmer is a c**t’ v Andorra which reveals just how much working class voters despise him.

There are genuine questions whether or not Starmer fights the next election already.

I’ve cast doubt on Starmer’s likely lack of longevity from the beginning. He is a patsy.

 

[SBAndy]

Sounds like an entertaining night out for the kids

Production of Jack and the Budget Deficit.

 

[MalcSB]

Ha ha ha, without an alternative. What’s the alternative to spanking £700 million to achieve nothing?

Not spanking £700 million to achieve nothing?

If the money has been spent and is non returnable, isn’t it a bit daft to just cut the scheme without trying it out for a while. Unless you are dogmatically opposed to it in principle and worried it might actually have some impact?
Labour has spanked the scheme as you so elegantly put it.

 

[MalcSB]

Ha ha ha, without an alternative. What’s the alternative to spanking £700 million to achieve nothing?

Not spanking £700 million to achieve nothing?

What a pointless alternative to quote when it wasn’t a possibility. Labour living in an alternative reality. As usual. Prepared to waste public money. As usual.

 

[skybluetony176]

If the money has been spent and is non returnable, isn’t it a bit daft to just cut the scheme without trying it out for a while. Unless you are dogmatically opposed to it in principle and worried it might actually have some impact?
Labour has spanked the scheme as you so elegantly put it.

Ha ha ha, trying it out for a while. Good one. The Tories tried it out for 2 years. They planned on spanking as much of £10 billion on it if re-elected. Labour saved the country £9.7 billion simply by being elected.

I bet come the next GE no one will be running on a manifesto to bring it back. It’s not an election winner, simple as that. As proved at the GE and every opinion poll ever taken on the Rwanda scheme. More people oppose it in one way or another than approve it.

 

[SBT]

If the money has been spent and is non returnable, isn’t it a bit daft to just cut the scheme without trying it out for a while. Unless you are dogmatically opposed to it in principle and worried it might actually have some impact?
Labour has spanked the scheme as you so elegantly put it.

Alternatively you could cut your losses and not spend time, money and government resources on a scheme that you don’t believe to be effective, have no evidence to show is effective, and was roundly rejected by voters at the last election.

At some point you’re just going to have to accept that not only is it never going to happen, but you are wildly out of touch with public opinion on this one.

 

[skybluetony176]

What a pointless alternative to quote when it wasn’t a possibility. Labour living in an alternative reality. As usual. Prepared to waste public money. As usual.

WTAF are you talking about?

 

[PVA]

If the money has been spent and is non returnable, isn’t it a bit daft to just cut the scheme without trying it out for a while. Unless you are dogmatically opposed to it in principle and worried it might actually have some impact?
Labour has spanked the scheme as you so elegantly put it.

It was never going to work. It's not Labour's fault the previous government pissed loads of money up the wall on it.

If your concern is wasting public money it seems odd that you're so keen on Rwanda and throwing more money at it.

Could gift millions to a cabinet members pub landlord instead I guess?

 

[rob9872]

It was never going to work. It's not Labour's fault the previous government pissed loads of money up the wall on it.

If your concern is wasting public money it seems odd that you're so keen on Rwanda and throwing more money at it.

Could gift millions to a cabinet members pub landlord instead I guess?

Aren't the current lot looking at sensible them to the Balkans? Same scheme, different badge?

 

[ccfcchris]

Excellent Interview.

 

[shmmeee]

And Labour seem to be continuing that trend.

Less so but not where I’d like them. Despite the memes capital investment and funding for public services has gone up significantly.

 

[shmmeee]

Aren't the current lot looking at sensible them to the Balkans? Same scheme, different badge?

The Rwanda scheme was paying people to move to Rwanda and shifting people there for asylum.

Labours plan is offshore processing. So they’d still be able to claim asylum here they’d just have to wait outside the country.

So no.

 

[MalcSB]

Outrage as boy, 8, refused NHS treatment 'for going to private school'

Mother blames Labour's VAT raid on private school fees for emboldening the NHS to deny her son help with his crippling joint condition

www.standard.co.uk

 

[MalcSB]

The Rwanda scheme was paying people to move to Rwanda and shifting people there for asylum.

Labours plan is offshore processing. So they’d still be able to claim asylum here they’d just have to wait outside the country.

So no.

Different money.

 

[shmmeee]

Different money.

Outrage as boy, 8, refused NHS treatment 'for going to private school'

Mother blames Labour's VAT raid on private school fees for emboldening the NHS to deny her son help with his crippling joint condition

www.standard.co.uk

amazing how thick private school parent are every single time. I don’t think I’ve ever met a normal one. Weird entitled cry babies who can’t understand basic English the lot of them.

 

[MalcSB]

It was never going to work. It's not Labour's fault the previous government pissed loads of money up the wall on it.

If your concern is wasting public money it seems odd that you're so keen on Rwanda and throwing more money at it.

Could gift millions to a cabinet members pub landlord instead I guess?

The money wasn’t wasted until the scheme was cancelled, without the option of a refund, by the Labour government.

 

[SBT]

The money wasn’t wasted until the scheme was cancelled, without the option of a refund, by the Labour government.

You make it sound like the Rwanda scheme was fully paid for and ready to go - it wasn't. The ultimate cost of actually running the Rwanda system was estimated to be £600 million - that would have paid for a grand total of 300 people to be sent to Rwanda.

The Labour government decided it no longer wanted to throw money into a pit that the previous government had started to dig. Again, how are you so bad at this?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

You make it sound like the Rwanda scheme was fully paid for and ready to go - it wasn't. The ultimate cost of actually running the Rwanda system was estimated to be £600 million - that would have paid for a grand total of 300 people to be sent to Rwanda.

The Labour government decided it no longer wanted to throw money into a pit that the previous government had started to dig. Again, how are you so bad at this?

The WFP decision just scrambled his brain

 

[MalcSB]

amazing how thick private school parent are every single time. I don’t think I’ve ever met a normal one. Weird entitled cry babies who can’t understand basic English the lot of them.

Given they have paid their income tax and NI which does entitle them and their families to NHS treatment, free at the point of
need, is it any wonder they are acting in an entitled fashion.

In terms of understanding basic English, it’s amazing how many posters on here use “of” instead of “have”.

 

[MalcSB]

The WFP decision just scrambled his brain

Far too little, too late.