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chiefdave

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You'll be paying benefits and paying for the programme at the same time. What are you doing if the person completes the course but no employer wants them?
what was that scheme called a few year back where people had to work or else have their benefits taken away. the jobs were sub-minimum wage and the promised jobs at the end of the scheme, to the shock of nobody, didn't materialise.

employers signing up to the scheme were supposed to agree that none of the tasks being done were normally carried out by paid employees but it turned out that wasn't being enforced in the slightest.

upshot being the government was paying employee wages for companies making huge profits.
 

shmmeee

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This is why I’m grateful we have a Westminster quality economist on here, willing to explain it to us plebs!

Westminster quality is probably about right sadly.
 

wingy

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There's some proff I think who is making a speech on Monday who will address the issue of 'foriegn' actor's who are subversive in their aims, think he's been asked by home office,broad ranging,and quite Draconian measures to combat such actions will be suggested.
I think they will need to look closely at what they deem our friends, could be some interesting legislation down the road.
 

MalcSB

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There's some proff I think who is making a speech on Monday who will address the issue of 'foriegn' actor's who are subversive in their aims, think he's been asked by home office,broad ranging,and quite Draconian measures to combat such actions will be suggested.
I think they will need to look closely at what they deem our friends, could be some interesting legislation down the road.
Will be interesting to see who is included. Putin? Trump? Macron? Von der Leyen? Meloni? Friedrich Merz?
 

PVA

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No, it isn’t. Like every other pledge they have made.

Yesterday you were complaining that something wasn't in their manifesto when it was. Now you seem to be upset that something they pledged for 4 or 5 years time hasn't been done inside a year.

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MalcSB

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Yesterday you were complaining that something wasn't in their manifesto when it was. Now you seem to be upset that something they pledged for 4 or 5 years time hasn't been done inside a year.

You might find this useful:

Not on track, not expected to be done/ completed.
 

MalcSB

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Yesterday you were complaining that something wasn't in their manifesto when it was. Now you seem to be upset that something they pledged for 4 or 5 years time hasn't been done inside a year.

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They pledged stuff over 10 years when they have a 5 year term. Disingenuous or dishonest?
 

fernandopartridge

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And young people moan they don't have the living standards of their parents?

About the same number unemployed as immigrants to fill vacant jobs.

It's their grandparents, a lot of 16-24 year olds parents too don't have the same living standards as their parents.
 

chiefdave

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No idea who this chap is but he's got a point. Last time I looked to have any chance of being able to get a mortgage to buy the house my parents have I would need to earn at least £145K. My Dad wasn't particularly senior or doing anything well paid. He got a job at Courtaulds out of school and stayed in the same job until they closed.

The thing about one person always being at home is often overlooked. My Dad would walk through the door to a home cooked meal every night and by 6pm he'd be sat in front of the TV or off out with his evening to himself. And he certainly wasn't spending his weekends doing batch cooking, cleaning, washing etc.

Has to be a factor in the rise in mental health issues, there's no downtime for people. No time to enjoy yourself, relax & recharge.

A while back I listened to a podcast that expanded on this. They suggested that we're creating 'non-jobs' for the sake of people being employed. Just pushing money round in a circle. People paying out for childcare, petcare, cleaners, gardeners etc because they're at work and don't have the time for those things but barely making enough to cover the cost.
 

mmttww

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Has to be a factor in the rise in mental health issues, there's no downtime for people. No time to enjoy yourself, relax & recharge.

This is it. Add in that more jobs are knowledge work now than they were in the past and it's just a recipe for burnout.
 

shmmeee

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The not being able to afford your parents home when you outearn what they ever did really is the kicker. Housing is tied so much to how well off you feel and the pulling up of the ladder seems especially unfair. I think most people would accept a lot if housing had kept up the last fifty years.
 

PVA

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Just had a look and my parents bought a 4 bed house with an acre of land in 1999 for £175k.

That's 330k in today's money.

They don't live there anymore but that house would probably cost minimum 800k if it was on the market today, while 330k gets you a 3 bed semi.

But but Netflix and avocados and iphones.
 

MalcSB

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Just had a look and my parents bought a 4 bed house with an acre of land in 1999 for £175k.

That's 330k in today's money.

They don't live there anymore but that house would probably cost minimum 800k if it was on the market today, while 330k gets you a 3 bed semi.

But but Netflix and avocados and iphones.
Self awareness.
 

The Philosopher

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No idea who this chap is but he's got a point. Last time I looked to have any chance of being able to get a mortgage to buy the house my parents have I would need to earn at least £145K. My Dad wasn't particularly senior or doing anything well paid. He got a job at Courtaulds out of school and stayed in the same job until they closed.

The thing about one person always being at home is often overlooked. My Dad would walk through the door to a home cooked meal every night and by 6pm he'd be sat in front of the TV or off out with his evening to himself. And he certainly wasn't spending his weekends doing batch cooking, cleaning, washing etc.

Has to be a factor in the rise in mental health issues, there's no downtime for people. No time to enjoy yourself, relax & recharge.

A while back I listened to a podcast that expanded on this. They suggested that we're creating 'non-jobs' for the sake of people being employed. Just pushing money round in a circle. People paying out for childcare, petcare, cleaners, gardeners etc because they're at work and don't have the time for those things but barely making enough to cover the cost.

It’s the basis of Mosleyite / Keynesian economics, the principles of which came from Italy and Germany in the 1930’s and to a degree the USA during the Great Depression. Namely, the cure to unemployment is public works (rail, the Hoover Dam) which sets to work the unemployed at the government expense.

However, the difference with these made up jobs provided nowadays is that there is no national asset at the end of it. Keeping childminders and gardeners busy by extension is fine, but to what eventual benefit?

I’ve been astonished to see the lack of brains in Westminster in my recent (at times more close up) times. No clue. Invest in infrastructure such as tidal power and put people to work for an eventual upside

Mental health is a tricky one. Much mental health historically was undiagnosed, take veterans from WW2 for example. This doesn’t necessarily mean that issues are on the rise, just that it is identified more. There are, undoubtedly, some now who use “mental health” as a reason to not work.

No doubt many here don’t agree, no problem, it just provides evidence of mental health issues.
 

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