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Sky Blue Pete
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Bill Gates the billionaire who is working on giving his riches away before passing away
Give me 10 Bill Gates over Elon Musk
Give me 10 Bill Gates over Elon Musk
shmmeee
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He’s about the only billionaire to do old style philanthropy with his money. Probably because he’s about the only one from old money TBF.
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
Next you'll be trying to tell us that he wasn't implanting microchips inside people via the Death Injection.
Is he? I certainly don’t see him leaving Tesla anytime soon and the Republican Party isn’t going to say no to his cash.
The Philosopher
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The increase in 30 year olds over the last few years is directly linked to the immigration increases.View attachment 43295
Interesting and scary trends.
Ps Birth rate is dropping all over especially in last few years.
A shortage of working aged people in this age group to do lesser paid jobs has acted as a pull to migrants.
There are caveats:
The number of working aged people not working has increased, particularly women from “conservative cultures”. As this demographic increases, we need to be strong enough to talk about the issue.
Training and language courses need to be provided to enable greater access to the work market and sanctions for voluntary non-participation. This is fair.
I think I read that there are 9 million non-working working aged people in the UK.
Rather than import more, why not encourage societal inclusion and participation?
shmmeee
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Sorry kicked out the party of hyperbole. Quietly moved to the back so they can keep his money is more accurate.
Tesla board have been getting twitchy for a while, which is probably why he’s announcing this:
But ultimately if that doesn’t reverse the sales drops they’ve seen he’ll be gone because he’ll be more of a liability than an asset.
The Philosopher
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The reality will be lost on a number of the synaptically challenged on here:
We were told that queues at passport control, Dover and so on would be huge. Not so. Yes, there are slight delays at passport control as they are stamped (and in some cases checks are done to make sure 90 day limits are not exceeded). Did anyone in their right mind think that Spain would want to delay 2.2 million tourists per year by, say, an hour each from spending in bars and restaurants? 2.2 million hours of potential economic activity lost and the potential of losing repeat business by deterring future visits? No. It would actually be in the UK interests to have tourist remain in the UK and spend here.
E-Gate was happening anyway. Fact.
What is the EES?
The Entry/Exit System is an automated IT system for registering non-EU nationals travelling for a short stay, each time they cross the external borders of any of the European countries using the system.
March 2025. lol.
The costs / benefits of Brexit are difficult to measure realistically and many of the figures, like pre-referendum are utter nonsense. On both sides.
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Sick Boy
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The eGates have already been happening for ages now, it’s nothing new.
The Philosopher
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Grendel
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Its pretty ridiculous. Lets introduce a policy essential to fill a mysterious black hole which is always going to be unpopular. Shock at amount of negativity so backtrack hastily.
Grendel
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While we are talking about disproportionate jail sentences it will be interesting where this ends up
www.dailymail.co.uk
Two men are found GUILTY of chopping down beloved Sycamore Gap tree
Daniel Graham, 39, and Adam Carruthers, 32, face up to ten years in prison for felling the Sycamore Gap tree and causing damage to Hadrian's Wall in the process.
Sky Blue Pete
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Changing your mind and admitting a mistake is bad!!!!!!?????? Mmmmm
Sky Blue Pete
Well-Known Member
18 month suspended sentence
While we are talking about disproportionate jail sentences it will be interesting where this ends up
Two men are found GUILTY of chopping down beloved Sycamore Gap tree
Daniel Graham, 39, and Adam Carruthers, 32, face up to ten years in prison for felling the Sycamore Gap tree and causing damage to Hadrian's Wall in the process.
Grendel
Well-Known Member
Its nothing to do with that and it says that Rachel Reeves is in reality a liar
This is just trying to put the fire out when the trust is already burned
Sky Blue Pete
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Trust was burned before they started if we’re all being honest cause for some reason the tories got 14 years and labour following got tarred with their brush after 4 weeks
I just don’t accept that there was a massive hole in the finances there always is they are trying to be sensible
I think this is a good thing
Sky Blue Pete
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Oh well reform it is
MalcSB
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We had been given a vote on whether to remain in the EU or not. There was a clear mandate to do what was necessary following that election and the referendum. Of course, in modern democratic UK a clear majority means nothing to certain sections of the electorate who immediately swung in to destruction mode - seems ant-democratic to
The Labour manifesto did not even mention the EU, in the same way that no mention was made about slashing Winter Fuel Payments. The below is copied from their online manifesto.
I will ask now - how can you have a manifesto pledge to deliver a decade of anything for a 5 year term in office? Unless the change envisaged is actually so malignant that the impacts will drag on beyond a change in government. 2029 and beyond should be interesting.
This Labour government was elected on the promise of change – to deliver a decade of national renewal. Our manifesto promised, through mission-led government, to put the country back in the service of working people.
Our five missions are ambitious but long-term goals, a decade long-project to completely transform government and move away from sticking-plaster politics.
Labour’s five missions for Government are:
Kickstart economic growth – to drive growth, rebuild Britain, support good jobs, unlock investment, and improve living standards across the country. GOING REALLY WELL
Make Britain a clean energy superpower through delivering clean power by 2030 and accelerating to net zero.
Take back our streets by halving serious violent crime and raising confidence in the police and criminal justice system to its highest levels. Confidence in police and criminal justice system must be pretty low at the moment.
Break down barriers to opportunity by reforming our childcare and education systems, to make sure there is no class ceiling on the ambitions of our young people. should reserve judgement on this until the impact of VAT on private school fees can be clearly seen. Could be that a new, lower class ceiling is imposed which seems to be a problem with a lot of Labour levelling. I.e. its levelling down, not up.
Good luck to those that get it.
Now, where’s my Moet?
Can’t overdo it, have an oncology appointment tomorrow.
MalcSB
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The latter two.
You do have parallels in the states though, apparently, not that I'm advocating either but.We had been given a vote on whether to remain in the EU or not. There was a clear mandate to do what was necessary following that election and the referendum. Of course, in modern democratic UK a clear majority means nothing to certain sections of the electorate who immediately swung in to destruction mode - seems ant-democratic to
The Labour manifesto did not even mention the EU, in the same way that no mention was made about slashing Winter Fuel Payments. The below is copied from their online manifesto.
I will ask now - how can you have a manifesto pledge to deliver a decade of anything for a 5 year term in office? Unless the change envisaged is actually so malignant that the impacts will drag on beyond a change in government. 2029 and beyond should be interesting.
This Labour government was elected on the promise of change – to deliver a decade of national renewal. Our manifesto promised, through mission-led government, to put the country back in the service of working people.
Our five missions are ambitious but long-term goals, a decade long-project to completely transform government and move away from sticking-plaster politics.
Labour’s five missions for Government are:
Kickstart economic growth – to drive growth, rebuild Britain, support good jobs, unlock investment, and improve living standards across the country. GOING REALLY WELL
Make Britain a clean energy superpower through delivering clean power by 2030 and accelerating to net zero.
Take back our streets by halving serious violent crime and raising confidence in the police and criminal justice system to its highest levels. Confidence in police and criminal justice system must be pretty low at the moment.
Break down barriers to opportunity by reforming our childcare and education systems, to make sure there is no class ceiling on the ambitions of our young people. should reserve judgement on this until the impact of VAT on private school fees can be clearly seen. Could be that a new, lower class ceiling is imposed which seems to be a problem with a lot of Labour levelling. I.e. its levelling down, not up.
Good luck to those that get it.
Now, where’s my Moet?
Can’t overdo it, have an oncology appointment tomorrow.
The referendum result delivered a mandate to leave the EU, which we did. Your decision to vote Leave didn’t give you veto powers over all future trade and diplomatic policy with Europe in perpetuity.
shmmeee
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Starmers Labour has never has outriders in the media like the fringes do. So there’s never been anything but anger from the left and right since his election and zero counterbalance. They’ve started poorly but the hyperbole from both sides is ludicrous. One would have you believe he’s Enoch Powell mk2 but this time he hates grannies and the disabled and trans people and Gazans, the other thinks he’s a Marxist secret gay tent boy addict with frankly a far more exciting sex life than his appearance suggests who is hell bent on locking up his political enemies (because that’s what they said in America so just copy and paste).
We had been given a vote on whether to remain in the EU or not. There was a clear mandate to do what was necessary following that election and the referendum. Of course, in modern democratic UK a clear majority means nothing to certain sections of the electorate who immediately swung in to destruction mode - seems ant-democratic to
The Labour manifesto did not even mention the EU, in the same way that no mention was made about slashing Winter Fuel Payments. The below is copied from their online manifesto.
I will ask now - how can you have a manifesto pledge to deliver a decade of anything for a 5 year term in office? Unless the change envisaged is actually so malignant that the impacts will drag on beyond a change in government. 2029 and beyond should be interesting.
This Labour government was elected on the promise of change – to deliver a decade of national renewal. Our manifesto promised, through mission-led government, to put the country back in the service of working people.
Our five missions are ambitious but long-term goals, a decade long-project to completely transform government and move away from sticking-plaster politics.
Labour’s five missions for Government are:
Kickstart economic growth – to drive growth, rebuild Britain, support good jobs, unlock investment, and improve living standards across the country. GOING REALLY WELL
Make Britain a clean energy superpower through delivering clean power by 2030 and accelerating to net zero.
Take back our streets by halving serious violent crime and raising confidence in the police and criminal justice system to its highest levels. Confidence in police and criminal justice system must be pretty low at the moment.
Break down barriers to opportunity by reforming our childcare and education systems, to make sure there is no class ceiling on the ambitions of our young people. should reserve judgement on this until the impact of VAT on private school fees can be clearly seen. Could be that a new, lower class ceiling is imposed which seems to be a problem with a lot of Labour levelling. I.e. its levelling down, not up.
Good luck to those that get it.
Now, where’s my Moet?
Can’t overdo it, have an oncology appointment tomorrow.
The impact of VAT on private schools can be seen. It’s a drop of about 2-3%, mostly in new intakes. So no feared exodus of poor children no longer able to afford it. Who woulda thunk?
Part of your problem is you spend your time making stuff up then getting angry. Seems easier just to not make stuff up?
On what was in the Labour manifesto:
Yes and that's exactly what you got.
To now complain that the electorate, and Leavers in particular, aren't being asked for their views on trade deals is hilarious.
skybluetony176
Well-Known Member
Except for that time it did
“With Labour, Britain will stay outside of the EU. But to seize the opportunities ahead, we must make Brexit work. We will reset the relationship and seek to deepen ties with our European friends, neighbours and allies. That does not mean reopening the divisions of the past. There will be no return to the single market, the customs union, or freedom of movement.
Instead, Labour will work to improve the UK’s trade and investment relationship with the EU, by tearing down unnecessary barriers to trade. We will seek to negotiate a veterinary agreement to prevent unnecessary border checks and help tackle the cost of food; will help our touring artists; and secure a mutual recognition agreement for professional qualifications to help open up markets for UK service exporters.
Labour will seek an ambitious new UK-EU security pact to strengthen co-operation on the threats we face. We will rebuild relationships with key European allies, including France and Germany, through increased defence and security co-operation. We will seek new bilateral agreements and closer working with Joint Expeditionary Force partners. This will strengthen NATO and keep Britain safe.”
Copy and pasted from Labours 2024 election manifesto.
fernandopartridge
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These things all cost money and you were posting the other day about cutting spending as being the only answer.
The Philosopher
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A program to get people off benefits and in to work else benefits stop?
Talk me through your logic…..
MalcSB
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I’m neither a US citizen nor resident so basically don’t give a fuck about parallels.
MalcSB
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fernandopartridge
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You'll be paying benefits and paying for the programme at the same time. What are you doing if the person completes the course but no employer wants them?
MalcSB
Well-Known Member
Keeping Britain safe. From nonogenarian amputees.
Moment police ‘sprayed 92-year-old with pepper spray in care home before Tasing'
WARNING DISTURBING CONTENT: The jurors were shown body-worn video footage of officers in the moments after Donald Burgess, a single-leg amputee and wheelchair user, was restrained at Park Beck care home in St Leonards-on-Sea, East Sussex.