Do you want to discuss boring politics? (23 Viewers)

[SBT]

The creation of low emissions zones is driven by central government. London led the way most likely because it already had the mayor and the infrastructure to be able to do it. The evidence of pollution related health problems is clear. I genuinely cannot understand why a LEZ in London is a problem for you.

In fairness, it’s not just low emissions zones in London - according to Grendel there’s a thriving global debate around Andy Burnham’s bike lane policy in Manchester. And Andy Street’s road closure regime in the West Midlands has been blowing up on Reddit for months.

 

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[MalcSB]

Funny seeing the headbangers losing their fucking minds over some fish again.

(while actual fishing organisations come out and say this is a good thing.)

Do they?

Scottish Fishermen's Federation says EU deal is 'disastrous'

A new deal extending access for EU boats in UK waters has been agreed as part of a wider softening of relations with the bloc.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[MalcSB]

In fairness, it’s not just low emissions zones in London - according to Grendel there’s a thriving global debate around Andy Burnham’s bike lane policy in Manchester. And Andy Street’s road closure regime in the West Midlands has been blowing up on Reddit for months.

Precisely

 

[Grendel]

In fairness, it’s not just low emissions zones in London - according to Grendel there’s a thriving global debate around Andy Burnham’s bike lane policy in Manchester. And Andy Street’s road closure regime in the West Midlands has been blowing up on Reddit for months.

Where did I say that? Does Andy Burnham and previously Mr Street ever appear on programmes away from regional TV? I’m sure I’ve seen Mr Burnham and I don’t live in Manchester.

 

[OffenhamSkyBlue]

I remember a BBC interview where I was asked if there were any regrets about leaving the EU. I got a bit of backlash about the response.

Essentially, being a member of the EU could only work if we harmonised everything: currency, tax, welfare, healthcare, laws, military; essentially a federal position.

Any half-baked arrangement Is doomed to fail. Not having a central tax policy opens the box to MTIC fraud and huge tax avoidance like we see with Eire tech companies. A federal United States of Europe could possibly work, but so long as the machinery of the EU was not democratic and the ordinary voter had little say in the direction of their own destiny then this was not ever possible.

As an independent nation with the history we have and the relationships with our commonwealth we should have been and still been able to make a huge success of Brexit.

We should be able to elect our own lawmakers, who enact our wishes. Anything else is against the principles of democracy.

I think we should have been given a referendum on whether we wanted to agree to the Maastricht Treaty, which is what paved the way for a Federal Europe, and we were not given a say by the Major government. It was only Fatty Lawson's sage advice that joining the ERM would be a disaster for the UK that we still have the economy that we do.

 

[Sick Boy]

Although I have scoffed at the idea I do think we are edging closer to a Reform government

At this point it’s inevitable and will leave the country worse off.

Starmer seems to have zero principles and is all over the place at the moment.

 

[Sick Boy]

The levels of net migration are off the chart compared to pre-Brexit. It can’t be all down to Covid…so what happened?

 

[MalcSB]

At this point it’s inevitable and will leave the country worse off.

Starmer seems to have zero principles and is all over the place at the moment.

Statement of the bleeding obvious..

Effectively just ripped up over 17,000,000 democratic votes.

Bastard, sooner he goes the better.

Fucking traitor.

 

[PVA]

The levels of net migration are off the chart compared to pre-Brexit. It can’t be all down to Covid…so what happened?

Brexit happened.

 

[MalcSB]

Brexit happened.

Labour government happened as well.

Wankers

 

[PVA]

Labour government happened as well.

Ah yes the Labour government is to blame for Boris Johnsons Brexit deal.

 

[Sick Boy]

Labour government happened as well.

Wankers

It started way before Labour came into power.

 

[Sick Boy]

Brexit happened.

It doesn’t explain why it went up x4 though. It’s almost like the whole point of it wasn’t about reducing migration - who’d have thought it?

 

[SBT]

The levels of net migration are off the chart compared to pre-Brexit. It can’t be all down to Covid…so what happened?

Net migration report (accessible)

the substantial increase in net migration since 2020 is largely explained by 3 factors: an increase in work visas (particularly in health & social care), an increase in student visas, and the opening of humanitarian routes such as the British National (Overseas) (BN(O)) and Ukraine schemes

 

[shmmeee]

Hong Kong Ukraine and Afghanistan account for some ridiculous percentage of the last few years. Id imagine they’re all tapped out now?

 

[PVA]

It doesn’t explain why it went up x4 though. It’s almost like the whole point of it wasn’t about reducing migration - who’d have thought it?

People cry about Starmer being a traitor who ignores the will of the people because he's extended some fishing rights while giving Johnson a free pass for promising to take back control only to let a million people in. Weird.

 

[MalcSB]

Cowardly politicians. You can’t go into an election promising it but you can take some hard decisions on tax and fix it when you’ve got four years left. If you’re lucky you get the benefit of people feeling the care service working before the next election. Worse case the furore has died down a bit. You don’t come in worrying about polls and scared to do anything.

Apparently Starmer has. Has no conviction and is “frit”.

 

[The Philosopher]

The levels of net migration are off the chart compared to pre-Brexit. It can’t be all down to Covid…so what happened?

We technically left the EU but the government was scared to leave the ECHR. Essentially they were scared that the left would whip up an uninformed fervour that it would mean an end to “Human Rights” in the UK. Ridiculous of course.

As a result, migrants entering the UK, legally or illegally (on sketchy student visas, visitor visas or on dinghies) are difficult to return.

The twist here is that they are normally unable to work legally, and as such get put up in hotels and HMO’s and either do nothing or illegally work or dodgy stuff. EU migrants had a right to work and hence paid tax and contributed.

This comes back to my earlier point about either being all-in or all-out. Leaving the ECHR and instead having a UKCHR is the probable only solution. Farage and Jenrick advocate this, Kemi not so and this makes her position hamstrung in the debate.

 

[shmmeee]

Apparently Starmer has. Has no conviction and is “frit”.

Needs to grow some balls.

 

[shmmeee]

We technically left the EU but the government was scared to leave the ECHR. Essentially they were scared that the left would whip up an uninformed fervour that it would mean an end to “Human Rights” in the UK. Ridiculous of course.

As a result, migrants entering the UK, legally or illegally (on sketchy student visas, visitor visas or on dinghies) are difficult to return.

The twist here is that they are normally unable to work legally, and as such get put up in hotels and HMO’s and either do nothing or illegally work or dodgy stuff. EU migrants had a right to work and hence paid tax and contributed.

This comes back to my earlier point about either being all-in or all-out. Leaving the ECHR and instead having a UKCHR is the probable only solution. Farage and Jenrivk advocate this, Kemi not so and this makes her position hamstrung in the debate.

Proper Brexit has never been tried

 

[Sick Boy]

We technically left the EU but the government was scared to leave the ECHR. Essentially they were scared that the left would whip up an uninformed fervour that it would mean an end to “Human Rights” in the UK. Ridiculous of course.

As a result, migrants entering the UK, legally or illegally (on sketchy student visas, visitor visas or on dinghies) are difficult to return.

The twist here is that they are normally unable to work legally, and as such get put up in hotels and HMO’s and either do nothing or illegally work or dodgy stuff. EU migrants had a right to work and hence paid tax and contributed.

This comes back to my earlier point about either being all-in or all-out. Leaving the ECHR and instead having a UKCHR is the probable only solution. Farage and Jenrick advocate this, Kemi not so and this makes her position hamstrung in the debate.

The better solution, and to have avoided wasting millions/billions and not have had years and even now ongoing division, would have just been to move to something similar to the EEA.

 

[The Philosopher]

Proper Brexit has never been tried

Mr Miyagi proverb fits, to lighten the mood.

Either all in or all out of EU.

 

[chiefdave]

would whip up an uninformed fervour

 

[MalcSB]

This is 17,500,000 voters disenfranchised in secret.

 

[SBT]

This is 17,500,000 voters disenfranchised in secret.

???

It hasn’t been done in secret and no-one has been disenfranchised. Other than that…

 

[OffenhamSkyBlue]

The better solution, and to have avoided wasting millions/billions and not have had years and even now ongoing division, would have just been to move to something similar to the EEA.

Absolutely agree that this is what we should have retained. Customs union, freedom of movement, but no jurisdiction by ECJ.

 

[chiefdave]

Sure this is all part of Starmers genius plan

 

[chiefdave]

 

[fernandopartridge]

This is 17,500,000 voters disenfranchised in secret.

What drivel. I voted leave and the question I voted on was

Do you want the UK to leave the European Union?

Anything short of full EU membership therefore is compatible with that vote.

 

[shmmeee]

Mr Miyagi proverb fits, to lighten the mood.

Either all in or all out of EU.

We are all out the EU you loon. What you want is zero international treaties. If you wanted a referendum on that you should have asked for it instead of this “oh no one wants to leaves the SM…I mean the CU… I mean the EHCR…. I mean the WTO” bollocks.

Brexiters have become the most pathetic losers constantly asking for one more chance and this time I swear it’ll all come good.

 

[PVA]

This is 17,500,000 voters disenfranchised in secret.

What is so upsetting about reduced trade barriers, using e-gates and a youth mobility scheme?

Honestly, what in there can possibly make you think this is a) bad for the UK and b) a disgusting traiterous surrender?

There's nothing offensive or even particularly controversial in there. Getting wound up about this is absolutely pathetic tbh.

 

[OffenhamSkyBlue]

F*ck me - who'd ever have thought that Osborne turns out to be some kind of soothsayer!!

 

[Captain Dart]

I remember a BBC interview where I was asked if there were any regrets about leaving the EU. I got a bit of backlash about the response.

Essentially, being a member of the EU could only work if we harmonised everything: currency, tax, welfare, healthcare, laws, military; essentially a federal position.

Any half-baked arrangement Is doomed to fail. Not having a central tax policy opens the box to MTIC fraud and huge tax avoidance like we see with Eire tech companies. A federal United States of Europe could possibly work, but so long as the machinery of the EU was not democratic and the ordinary voter had little say in the direction of their own destiny then this was not ever possible.

As an independent nation with the history we have and the relationships with our commonwealth we should have been and still been able to make a huge success of Brexit.

We should be able to elect our own lawmakers, who enact our wishes. Anything else is against the principles of democracy.

Tony Benn knew.

 

[Grendel]

The levels of net migration are off the chart compared to pre-Brexit. It can’t be all down to Covid…so what happened?

There has been a huge growth in overseas students and Ukraine - these seem to be the major factors

 

[Grendel]

What is so upsetting about reduced trade barriers, using e-gates and a youth mobility scheme?

Honestly, what in there can possibly make you think this is a) bad for the UK and b) a disgusting traiterous surrender?

There's nothing offensive or even particularly controversial in there. Getting wound up about this is absolutely pathetic tbh.

There is - as ever with Enoch Jnr - little detail.

E-gates are at country discretion and no detail on the youth scheme at all

Also no answer if the uk will now have to make some form of budget contribution into the Eu pot