Sick Boy
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It's mostly a continuation of the current deal with minimal changes - not sure there's much to see.
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Grendel
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God you're so fucking tedious.
As said, it's minor changes but a step in the right direction.
Nobody is claiming it to be a game changer, you're pretending that's what people are saying so you can get angry about it.
If only the information was widely available.
The Philosopher
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It looks like we are ceding fishing rights agreeing some regulatory stuff and aligning food standards a bit. The latter doesn’t look much but might have deeper repercussions along the way. Ie, we will have to be mindful of EU existing and upcoming regulations prior to making our own free trade deals in that area.
However, we have at least finalised India and US trade “deals” prior to this EU deal. Remember that we were unable to do deals like those pre-Brexit.
Youth mobility is a tricky one. Great in theory to be able to work in the EU and could plug skills gaps in the reverse in areas like hospitality.
One must smirk though at “equality Labour” now putting discrimination policies in place based on age, origin etc.
However, we have at least finalised India and US trade “deals” prior to this EU deal. Remember that we were unable to do deals like those pre-Brexit.
Youth mobility is a tricky one. Great in theory to be able to work in the EU and could plug skills gaps in the reverse in areas like hospitality.
One must smirk though at “equality Labour” now putting discrimination policies in place based on age, origin etc.
Grendel
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Although I have scoffed at the idea I do think we are edging closer to a Reform government
shmmeee
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So you want freedom of movement for the entire planet? Or you want the same visa rules for every country? Do you even know what you want?
Razzle Dazzle Dean Gordon
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God help us if so
The Philosopher
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Read my posts.
Equality is key. Immigration should be about who you are, not where you are from. Same rules for all.
Is that a problem?
Grendel
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Starmer is an idiot. He tries this week to be on the side of EU and last week was trying to be an Enoch Powell tribute act.
The Tories are beyond pathetic.
It’s going to be a reality unless one of the main parties actually have an identity and some conviction politics
I don’t trust Starmer to do anything for ordinary British people. Its all about ideology with him and continuing the status quo that the Torys put in place for too many years. Woke fucking nonsense and trying to brown nose round almost anyone who he can then say he’s struck a deal with!
The Philosopher
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So, Trump went on to speak with the PM’s of France, Italy, Germany……
Not Starmer.
Why?
Not Starmer.
Why?
shmmeee
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So you want us to treat people from North Korea the same as the USA?
The Philosopher
Well-Known Member
Yes
Captain Dart
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They have exchanged prisoners before. This is nothing new.
Ian1779
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Please, please, please
shmmeee
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mmttww
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Just rewatched this; worth a look re: how Musk actually uses what he bought and why be bought it:
shmmeee
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“Slashed overheads and wasted spending”
meanwhile
meanwhile
OffenhamSkyBlue
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I have to say i was very undecided about which way to vote on Brexit, and i was not against freedom of movement for economically active people who allow our economy to grow (e.g. people from Eastern Europe who work hard, even for below minimum wage, in sectors where Brits are too lazy to, such as social care, hospitality and food production), who we are now missing terribly.
However, I wanted our country to be free from the jurisdiction of federal courts and to set our own laws (but admittedly, the deal we ended up with has caused a bureaucratic nightmare). I think the deal Starmer has done on export of food is positive for farmers and exporters, but the fact that WE have to maintain THEIR standards of food production (bloody cheek - most of what is required in the EU was framed by OUR practices) and that any disputes will be decided upon by the ECJ really undermines the democratic decision that this country made.
However, I wanted our country to be free from the jurisdiction of federal courts and to set our own laws (but admittedly, the deal we ended up with has caused a bureaucratic nightmare). I think the deal Starmer has done on export of food is positive for farmers and exporters, but the fact that WE have to maintain THEIR standards of food production (bloody cheek - most of what is required in the EU was framed by OUR practices) and that any disputes will be decided upon by the ECJ really undermines the democratic decision that this country made.
It also shows the economic reality of what can happen when a smaller trading bloc tries to renegotiate terms with a bigger one.
fernandopartridge
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The creation of low emissions zones is driven by central government. London led the way most likely because it already had the mayor and the infrastructure to be able to do it. The evidence of pollution related health problems is clear. I genuinely cannot understand why a LEZ in London is a problem for you.
OffenhamSkyBlue
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We've traditionally had much higher standards of animal welfare, food processing and production standards, and border controls because we are an island with a huge dependency on maintenance of our agricultural economy (all of which feed into "keeping the bugs out"). They have taken those standards, photocopied them onto European Commission headed paper and told us that we have to abide by them. It's exactly the same picture with health & safety legislation, which we are now having to re-write so that we don't have to comply with any "gold-plating" that the EU wish to apply.
An example was the outcome of the enquiry into the Foot & Mouth Disease outbreak in 2007, which recommended that there should be an alignment of the three sets of legislation covering the use of biological agents. The DWP and HSE spent years drafting what was known as the "single regulatory framework", which would have improved and streamlined safety standards, only to be told by the European Court of Justice that it wasn't legal to make the improvements because it contravened the parallel EC Regulation.
MalcSB
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A LEZ in London isn’t necessarily a problem to me, but if it was it isn’t really something you need to understand. It’s the potential for proliferation of such Khan initiatives that worry me. Presumably as EV adoption increases they should fall by the wayside. I won’t hold my breath.
fernandopartridge
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We also need to be realistic though. The EU represents 75%+ of the UK food and drink exports (USA, China and Singapore the rest and it's probably whisky which is most likely not even subject to the deal) and 90%+ imports. Why would you not match standards in that context?
Yes.
London’s low emission zones save lives and money, new study finds
There has been a 18.5% reduction in sick leave in Greater London following LEZ implementation compared to areas in England without low emission zones.
www.bath.ac.uk
The Philosopher
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I remember a BBC interview where I was asked if there were any regrets about leaving the EU. I got a bit of backlash about the response.
Essentially, being a member of the EU could only work if we harmonised everything: currency, tax, welfare, healthcare, laws, military; essentially a federal position.
Any half-baked arrangement Is doomed to fail. Not having a central tax policy opens the box to MTIC fraud and huge tax avoidance like we see with Eire tech companies. A federal United States of Europe could possibly work, but so long as the machinery of the EU was not democratic and the ordinary voter had little say in the direction of their own destiny then this was not ever possible.
As an independent nation with the history we have and the relationships with our commonwealth we should have been and still been able to make a huge success of Brexit.
We should be able to elect our own lawmakers, who enact our wishes. Anything else is against the principles of democracy.