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clint van damme

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  • May 7, 2021
  • #2,381
dubed said:
Article by Rakib Ehsan


Last night showed yet again that large swathes of the country are sick of being treated with patronising condescension by Labour politicians and student activists. Labour was crushed in the Hartlepool by-election and suffered ward losses in multiple northern regions, with Conservatives gained control of Dudley, Nuneaton and Bedworth councils.

These areas, with their high numbers of traditional blue collar workers, are leading the charge against a woke agenda that has almost destroyed their traditional party. Working class voters are sending a clear message: they do not need a ‘political re-education’, and they reject the fundamentally warped interpretation of British society held by some of the most vocal Labour representatives.

They see that too many Labour politicians are in thrall to a toxic racialised politics, the extent of this became clear when Sir Keir Starmer ‘took the knee’ in support of Black Lives Matter. The movement's calls for the abolition of the police and a post-capitalist society reflect a crude identitarianism that carries no truck with the vast majority of Britons. Only one in ten of people in this country are in favour of reduced investment for local police forces.

Labour is also too comfortable with elements of the London elite who proudly vilify provincial voters who supported Brexit. It doesn’t help matters that Sir Keir Starmer was the chief architect of Labour’s second referendum policy – an exemplification of the metropolitan, anti-democratic tendencies which have taken hold of the party. It was, naturally, electorally disastrous.

The party had an opportunity to embrace Brexit. It could have framed the constitutional change as an opportunity to reform our democratic system of governance to empower local communities. But Starmer and his team lacked the imagination to do so.

Now, as Labour reflects on this week’s disastrous results, it must avoid the temptation to double down by embracing the ‘energetic’, but ultimately witless, Corbynite brigade. Backbench MPs such as Zarah Sultana and Nadia Whittome may be wildly popular in their social media echo-chambers, but student-style political activism goes down like a lead balloon outside of them.

One would certainly be keen to see Sultana visit Dudley and articulate why fighting racism must be part of a broader anti-capitalist strategy, or to accompany Whittome on a trip to Nuneaton, where she would no doubt attempt to explain why she struggles to condemn violent anti-police riots.

Back in the real world, the existential nature of their party’s problems should not be underestimated. Provincial market towns such as Nuneaton have historically been viewed as the ‘bellwethers’ of Middle England. With Labour rapidly evolving into a rudderless political creature, representing a foul blend of metropolitan liberalism and student-style identity politics, these areas, with their pro-Brexit, community-oriented and quietly traditional electorates, are likely to turn into solid blue territory.

Labour politicians would only have themselves to blame for such an outcome.
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People aren't in favour of reduced investment in the police force so vote for the party thats reduced police by 20k and support workers by 20k in decade?

Totally agree about Brexit. In fact maybe that's the rule he should go down, let's do Brexit better, or something and hilight the issues there's been and come up with policies to improve them rather than sending a high profile remain candidate to contest a seat in a staunch leave area
 
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PVA

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  • May 7, 2021
  • #2,382
Evo1883 said:
whatever your views of the tories are , the country clearly prefers the Conservatives right now ..

How bad are Labour then ? That's the question
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The question, for the millionth time, is why the Tories?

Nobody is saying Labour aren't bad. Not one person in here.

But nobody can answer the question.
 
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AOM

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  • May 7, 2021
  • #2,383
PVA said:
FFS, have you seen the Prime Minister?

Pretty much everything being thrown at Labour (a lot of it rightly and fairly so) is equally applicable to the Conservatives.

The double standards are ridiculous.
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Oh, I agree completely.
I despise Boris and would never vote for him, but clearly there are issues with the level of the opposition too
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • May 7, 2021
  • #2,384
chiefdave said:
Don't think those asking what the attraction is to voting Conservative are sneering, I certainly don't intend to come over that way. Its a genuine question. I look at what's happened since the Conservative came to power in 2010 and can't think of a single reason I would vote for them, if I'm missing something obvious everyone else knows I'd like to know what it is!

Think its only become a bit of a thing because its been asked multiple times and nobody seems able to answer.
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Oh, I'm not suggesting you are sneering at all! Sorry if it came across that way. I just meant that a lot of it goes on and it turns people off.

There needs to be a new party of some sort, but don't have a clue where it would start.
 

Evo1883

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  • May 7, 2021
  • #2,385
PVA said:
The question, for the millionth time, is why the Tories?

Nobody is saying Labour aren't bad. Not one person in here.

But nobody can answer the question.
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I think it's been said a million times over why people don't vote Labour mate you've just not accepted it as a reason .


There is zero point me and others like dubed going over it again when you have no intentions of soaking it in .

Labour will continue to get battered at every election
 
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clint van damme

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  • May 7, 2021
  • #2,386
PVA said:
The question, for the millionth time, is why the Tories?

Nobody is saying Labour aren't bad. Not one person in here.

But nobody can answer the question.
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The people who were on the radio earlier in Teeside were talking about the big projects that have been brought to the area, a lot of it delivered by the mayor, Teeside Airport, the Freeport etc.
 

clint van damme

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  • May 7, 2021
  • #2,387
Evo1883 said:
I think it's been said a million times over why people don't vote Labour mate you've just not accepted it as a reason .


There is zero point me and others like dubed going over it again when you have no intentions of soaking it in .

Labour will continue to get battered at every election
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You've just literally avoided the question again. Its quite incredible.
The question is not why didn't you vote Labour.

Why did you voterory? Answered clearly and concisely by a succession of people from Teeside on the radio tonight.
 
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Ian1779

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  • May 7, 2021
  • #2,388
Evo1883 said:
I think it's been said a million times over why people don't vote Labour mate you've just not accepted it as a reason .


There is zero point me and others like dubed going over it again when you have no intentions of soaking it in .

Labour will continue to get battered at every election
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So what is so different in places like Manchester and Liverpool then? Are there no wokies there or is the place full of them?
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • May 7, 2021
  • #2,389
Evo1883 said:
I haven't seen Coventry as been at work , I'm guessing it's still basically Labour .

Or not announced yet
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I voted Labour. Don’t get the support for tories or Boris at all. Beggars belief
 
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PVA

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  • May 7, 2021
  • #2,390
Evo1883 said:
I think it's been said a million times over why people don't vote Labour mate you've just not accepted it as a reason .


There is zero point me and others like dubed going over it again when you have no intentions of soaking it in .

Labour will continue to get battered at every election
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Oh come on man. Seriously. You've done it again.

I'm not asking why people aren't voting Labour.

I don't know how I can make that any clearer.
 

clint van damme

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  • May 7, 2021
  • #2,391
Sky Blue Pete said:
I voted Labour. Don’t get the support for tories or Boris at all. Beggars belief
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Amen Pete!
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • May 7, 2021
  • #2,392
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I get that to an extent but if Labour didn’t ask they’d be accused of ‘not listening to the people’ and when they do they’re ‘demanding everyone justify the vote’.
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I think some general feedback would be a good idea to help improve.
 

Evo1883

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  • May 7, 2021
  • #2,393
Ian1779 said:
So what is so different in places like Manchester and Liverpool then? Are there no wokies there or is the place full of them?
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Scousers would never vote tories though ... I doubt that will ever change .

Doesn't matter how bad Labour are , they wouldn't vote conservative
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • May 7, 2021
  • #2,394
stupot07 said:
That speaks volumes


Sent from my SM-G965F using Tapatalk
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And what does it say? That the pay rise doesn’t matter as it’s not Labour so it’s ok?? Ffs
 

Evo1883

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  • May 7, 2021
  • #2,395
clint van damme said:
You've just literally avoided the question again. Its quite incredible.
The question is not why didn't you vote Labour.

Why did you voterory? Answered clearly and concisely by a succession of people from Teeside on the radio tonight.
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Well ofcourse part of the question will always be why them and not Labour.

You're driving me mad clint mate

You've been told .. either accept it as a reason or don't I couldn't be arsed

No offence mate
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • May 7, 2021
  • #2,396
clint van damme said:
I'm genuinely interested and still haven't heard a salient answer on here.
On the way home I was listening to the radio and they were interviewing people on Teeside and they were giving perfectly logical explanations as to why they'd gone tory, and they're descended from people who hung a monkey!!
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What were they? I’ve not heard a logical reason
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 7, 2021
  • #2,397
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
I think some general feedback would be a good idea to help improve.
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I think it should start from a common understanding that neither party actively wants to make the country worse
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 7, 2021
  • #2,398
Sky Blue Pete said:
What were they? I’ve not heard a logical reason
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Popularity contest
 

Evo1883

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  • May 7, 2021
  • #2,399
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Popularity contest
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There is definitely a culture war going on , people are driving out the people on the wrong side of it.

That's something that's definitely happening
 

clint van damme

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  • May 7, 2021
  • #2,400
Evo1883 said:
Well ofcourse part of the question will always be why them and not Labour.

You're driving me mad clint mate

You've been told .. either accept it as a reason or don't I couldn't be arsed

No offence mate
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You've told me nothing!
As I said, there were some clear answers on the radio this evening and while some of it was about Labour not listening the majority wereaboutthe economy of the region. Obviosly this was specific to the by-election and the Mayoral election
 

Evo1883

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  • May 7, 2021
  • #2,401
clint van damme said:
You've told me nothing!
As I said, there were some clear answers on the radio this evening and while some of it was about Labour not listening the majority wereaboutthe economy of the region. Obviosly this was specific to the by-election and the Mayoral election
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I can't... we will never get to the bottom of this
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • May 7, 2021
  • #2,402
clint van damme said:
You've told me nothing!
As I said, there were some clear answers on the radio this evening and while some of it was about Labour not listening the majority wereaboutthe economy of the region. Obviosly this was specific to the by-election and the Mayoral election
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After 10 years of national tory government austerity that meant hartleoool was a shut hole they voted for the mp who represented those policies. Please explain the logic!
 
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Evo1883

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  • May 7, 2021
  • #2,403
Sky Blue Pete said:
After 10 years of national tory government austerity that meant hartleoool was a shut hole they voted for the mp who represented those policies. Please explain the logic!
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Let's spin it ...

How shocking must you be to lose to that

What do people think about Labour and it's MPs ... there's you're answer , I know this because I work with similar minded people
 

clint van damme

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  • May 7, 2021
  • #2,404
Sky Blue Pete said:
What were they? I’ve not heard a logical reason
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Mainly to do with the economy of the region and some big infrastructure projects that thematic delivered.
Also some government jobs relocating from London.
 

clint van damme

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  • May 7, 2021
  • #2,405
Evo1883 said:
Let's spin it ...

How shocking must you be to lose to that

What do people think about Labour and it's MPs ... there's you're answer , I know this because I work with similar minded people
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You love Rees Mogg !!
 

Evo1883

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  • May 7, 2021
  • #2,406
clint van damme said:
You love Rees Mogg !!
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PVA

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  • May 7, 2021
  • #2,407
Evo1883 said:
Let's spin it ...

How shocking must you be to lose to that

What do people think about Labour and it's MPs ... there's you're answer , I know this because I work with similar minded people
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You keep spinning it to answer the question that isn't being asked.
 

Evo1883

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  • May 7, 2021
  • #2,408
PVA said:
You keep spinning it. Because you can't answer the question.
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it's been answered...many times .

This is the jist for the final time

The people who used to vote Labour , now think they are a bunch of wankers .
They'd rather vote for the tories than see you and your MPs in charge .

You told brexiteers they were wrong
Your MPs spend time engaging in social politics on social media (bend that knee keir )
You don't like the working class you call racist , thick and privileged
You involve yourself in activism and social politics that most people reject and couldn't give 2 shits about
You're the party for the well educated middle class yuppies

And the people said fuck you

And now you keep losing .

People don't like you very much anymore

Simple really when you think about it
 
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skybluetony176

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  • May 7, 2021
  • #2,409
clint van damme said:
You love Rees Mogg !!
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I see your Rees Mogg and raise you Ben Bradley.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • May 7, 2021
  • #2,410
Evo1883 said:
it's been answered...many times .

This is the jist for the final time

The people who used to vote Labour , now think they are a bunch of wankers .
They'd rather vote for the tories than see you and your MPs in charge .

You told brexiteers they were wrong
Your MPs spend time engaging in social politics on social media (bend that knee keir )
You don't like the working class you call racist , thick and privileged
You involve yourself in activism and social politics that most people reject and couldn't give 2 shits about
You're the party for the well educated middle class yuppies

And the people said fuck you

And now you keep losing .

People don't like you very much anymore

Simple really when you think about it
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Brexiteers are wrong. It’s delivered literally nothing it promised and it’s took a pandemic that’s killed over 3 million people for the government to have something to latch onto to spin into a bonus.
 

Evo1883

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  • May 7, 2021
  • #2,411
skybluetony176 said:
Brexiteers are wrong. It’s delivered literally nothing it promised and it’s took a pandemic that’s killed over 3 million people for the government to have something to latch onto to spin into a bonus.
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Enjoy the tories ..basically forever .

An attitude shift is massively needed somewhere
 
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skybluetony176

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  • May 7, 2021
  • #2,412
Evo1883 said:
Enjoy the tories ..basically forever .

An attitude shift is massively needed somewhere
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Correct. An acknowledgment that Brexit has shit on the country would be a good starting point. The only thing that the government can talk about is Covid. Saw it again on question time last night. First mention of fishermen, change the subject to Covid.
 

Evo1883

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  • May 7, 2021
  • #2,413
Listen I'm the thick one , but I work with the very people Labour have lost , in what you would call "the dead end jobs " people talk about politics and il tell you for the final time .... people really do not like Labour, some people that always voted Labour genuinely hate them .


Something has got to change otherwise they are never getting back in power
 
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Evo1883

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  • May 7, 2021
  • #2,414
skybluetony176 said:
Correct. An acknowledgment that Brexit has shit on the country would be a good starting point. The only thing that the government can talk about is Covid. Saw it again on question time last night. First mention of fishermen, change the subject to Covid.
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I tried
 
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Ian1779

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  • May 7, 2021
  • #2,415
Sky Blue Pete said:
After 10 years of national tory government austerity that meant hartleoool was a shut hole they voted for the mp who represented those policies. Please explain the logic!
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Hartlepool - the worst possible Lab candidate they could have picked for that seat. Staunch remainer in a 70% leave area. At the very least pick someone who is from the constituency, had no association with the PV debacle and then at least it might have been a fight.
 
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