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Do you want to discuss boring politics? (22 Viewers)

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skybluetony176

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  • May 6, 2021
  • #2,066
TomRad85 said:
Life experience Tone old chap. Got to draw the line somewhere... or shall we let toddlers vote? Free lollipops for the under 5s would be a vote winner.

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How do you judge that? I guarantee that I had more life experience by the time I was 16 than most of the front bench has now. I could tuck a shirt in and comb my hair by the time I left primary, the PM still can’t do that. The leader of the House of Commons still has a nanny. I understood that ferries had lorries on them carrying goods unlike the foreign secretary. I could count without making numbers up unlike the Home Secretary etc etc etc.
 

TomRad85

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  • May 6, 2021
  • #2,067
skybluetony176 said:
How do you judge that? I guarantee that I had more life experience by the time I was 16 than most of the front bench has now. I could tuck a shirt in and comb my hair by the time I left primary, the PM still can’t do that. The leader of the House of Commons still has a nanny. I understood that ferries had lorries on them carrying goods unlike the foreign secretary. I could count without making numbers up unlike the Home Secretary etc etc etc.
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Sounds like you should be running country. Good luck with that.

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Grendel

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  • May 6, 2021
  • #2,068
Ian1779 said:
You’re a dinosaur.
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It’s why Hitler believed in the hitler youth - brainwashing the youth is much easier than the ones enjoying the benefits of capitalism
 
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Grendel

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  • May 6, 2021
  • #2,069
TomRad85 said:
Sounds like you should be running country. Good luck with that.

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Tony wanted a UKIP government not that long ago
 
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skybluetony176

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  • May 6, 2021
  • #2,070
TomRad85 said:
Sounds like you should be running country. Good luck with that.

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Not really. It does highlight how under qualified those that are running the country are though. Most can’t tie their own shoe laces and the rest wouldn’t say half the things they do if they understood how stupid it was to say it in the first place. The PM suffering with both issues.

I would suggest that a 16 year old from a single parent home has some real life experiences unlike a grown man who was born with a sense of entitlement by accident of birth who still has a nanny. So if life experience is the measuring tape you want to use then age is irrelevant. That’s the point I’m making.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • May 6, 2021
  • #2,071
Grendel said:
It’s why Hitler believed in the hitler youth - brainwashing the youth is much easier than the ones enjoying the benefits of capitalism
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A bit like the young Conservatives then.
 
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Grendel

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  • May 6, 2021
  • #2,072
I think we should offer 12 year olds the vote
 

skybluetony176

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  • May 6, 2021
  • #2,073
Grendel said:
Tony wanted a UKIP government not that long ago
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If you have to make things up you really don’t have a point to make.
 

skybluetony176

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  • May 6, 2021
  • #2,074
Grendel said:
I think we should offer 12 year olds the vote
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If we’re going by mental age you already do.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 6, 2021
  • #2,075
Evo1883 said:
Problem with the reproducing part is people have sex with or without caring about law , and often sex happens below the age of 16 ..how do you plan to make a law based on that alone ...quite hard

Be interesting to see the statistics of successful marriages for people below the age of 18 ,marriage effects 2 people ,it doesn't contributes towards voting In policies effecting millions

We already know younger drivers cause more accidents

They actively have control over who can vote and who can drive
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I’m not bothered about legalities just what we seem ok entrusting people with
 
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skybluetony176

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  • May 6, 2021
  • #2,076
Just reading up on the young Conservatives and it seems that in an effort to be more like the Nazis they rebranded as Youth Conservatives in 2018 under the guidance of a man who spends more time apologising for the last stupid thing he said than he does breathing, Ben Bradley.
 

shmmeee

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  • May 6, 2021
  • #2,077
Grendel said:
I think we should offer 12 year olds the vote
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My six year old pays tax when she spends her pocket money! She deserves a vote!

18 is adulthood, I think there’s a good argument for 21 for a lot of things. We don’t allow 16 year olds to marry without parental consent, sleep with people who might have influence over them, or AFAIK fully join the forces. And we’ve just upped the leaving age basically to 18.

No way should 16 year olds have the vote and it’s blatant politicking from the left on this.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 6, 2021
  • #2,078
shmmeee said:
My six year old pays tax when she spends her pocket money! She deserves a vote!

18 is adulthood, I think there’s a good argument for 21 for a lot of things. We don’t allow 16 year olds to marry without parental consent, sleep with people who might have influence over them, or AFAIK fully join the forces. And we’ve just upped the leaving age basically to 18.

No way should 16 year olds have the vote and it’s blatant politicking from the left on this.
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What age should people be allowed to drive?
 

Ian1779

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  • May 6, 2021
  • #2,079
shmmeee said:
My six year old pays tax when she spends her pocket money! She deserves a vote!

18 is adulthood, I think there’s a good argument for 21 for a lot of things. We don’t allow 16 year olds to marry without parental consent, sleep with people who might have influence over them, or AFAIK fully join the forces. And we’ve just upped the leaving age basically to 18.

No way should 16 year olds have the vote and it’s blatant politicking from the left on this.
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I disagree - if 16 year olds can be expected to make decisions that influence their future directions in terms of school, college or apprenticeships, they deserve the right to have a voice over who and how they will be governed in the future.
 
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shmmeee

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  • May 6, 2021
  • #2,080
Ian1779 said:
I disagree - if 16 year olds can be expected to make decisions that influence their future directions in terms of school, college or apprenticeships, they deserve the right to have a voice over who and how they will be governed in the future.
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So we should give the vote to 13 year olds cos they pick options? Some 11 year olds are given a say in their schooling.

Either everyone does or adults do, anything else is a fudge.
 

Ian1779

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  • May 6, 2021
  • #2,081
shmmeee said:
So we should give the vote to 13 year olds cos they pick options? Some 11 year olds are given a say in their schooling.

Either everyone does or adults do, anything else is a fudge.
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Everything is a fudge regardless, arbitrary ages for all sorts of things with no consistency whatsoever.

I’d be very interested to see the numbers of 16/17 year olds that exercise their right to vote where they’ve been allowed to, before judging on its suitability.
 

Philosoraptor

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  • May 7, 2021
  • #2,082
Holy fuck!

 

Philosoraptor

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  • May 7, 2021
  • #2,083
 

Philosoraptor

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  • May 7, 2021
  • #2,084
Tory vaccine bounce my ass. People are not voting Labour.

 
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Philosoraptor

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  • May 7, 2021
  • #2,085
The green vaccine bounce. Oh wait, Labour's support dropped by 50%

 
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Philosoraptor

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  • May 7, 2021
  • #2,086
Camp Hill!

 

Philosoraptor

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  • May 7, 2021
  • #2,087
 

Philosoraptor

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  • May 7, 2021
  • #2,088
Fingers crossed to get rid of the lovely Jayne Innes.
 

SBAndy

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  • May 7, 2021
  • #2,089
Some of these local results are fucking mind-blowing. Camphill voting Tory. Fair to say Labour are even more fucked than I had initially thought. I knew the Tories would pick up control of N&B council, they’ve put so much effort into it. Labour have done next to fuck all.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 7, 2021
  • #2,090
I had in my mind Keir Starmer laughing at teachers earlier this year.
 
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Skybluefaz

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  • May 7, 2021
  • #2,091
Hartlepool goes Conservative.
 

fatso

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  • May 7, 2021
  • #2,092
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Whereas I've always thought communism was totally and utterly unworkable. Even socialism I thought had massive flaws in the theory. Actually took me the longest to work out the flaws with capitalism, but once you see them you can't unsee them.
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The one common denominator that causes all of these political ideologies to fail is human greed.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 7, 2021
  • #2,093
Skybluefaz said:
Hartlepool goes Conservative.
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7,000 vote majority delivered by modern science
 

clint van damme

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  • May 7, 2021
  • #2,094
Where does Starmer go from here?
 

fernandopartridge

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  • May 7, 2021
  • #2,095
What does this shit even mean?

We’ve said all along the north-east and the Midlands would be difficult. We also said the places declaring Thursday would be particularly difficult.

But, the message from voters is clear and we have heard it. Labour has not yet changed nearly enough for voters to place their trust in us.

We understand that. We are listening. And we will now redouble our efforts.

Labour must now accelerate the programme of change in our party, to win back the trust and faith of working people across Britain.

People don’t want to hear excuses. Keir has said he will take responsibility for these results – and he will take responsibility for fixing it and changing the Labour party for the better.
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  • May 7, 2021
  • #2,096
Momentum saying its proof that their message was better
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 7, 2021
  • #2,097
clint van damme said:
Where does Starmer go from here?
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For a long walk off a short pier I hope, I’m pretty disgusted by the results and only a fraction are in yet.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 7, 2021
  • #2,098
Anyone else noticed that the Tory ploy of ‘rewarding’ places that vote for them while ignoring the ones that don’t seems to go contrary to the idea that people not voting for you should lead to the opposite effect?
 
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  • May 7, 2021
  • #2,099
clint van damme said:
Where does Starmer go from here?
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Back down the M1?
 

Ian1779

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  • May 7, 2021
  • #2,100
clint van damme said:
Where does Starmer go from here?
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Well he’s got two choices IMO. He either starts to accept that there is a ‘left’ that he should embrace and bring into the Labour fold properly - there are Green councillors taking Labour seats. Or he ignores what’s staring him in the face and entrenches further right.
 
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