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shmmeee

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  • Aug 25, 2022
  • #20,371
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
Clearly its all about perception.

Plenty of polls and independent reviews and fact checks show the BBC to be about as fair as possible.
Fairly equal split in those that view it as left leaning, right leaning, liberal and conservative/traditional in its coverage.
As long as those doing the wokey-cokey thinks it's a tory mouthpiece and all the gammon heads think it's a commie lgbt establishment...its doing a good job.

....and speaking of jobs....oh look...Emily's got a new one!
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Its less about lefty righty and more about experty morony that’s my issue. This stuff:

 
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skybluetony176

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  • Aug 25, 2022
  • #20,372
shmmeee said:
Its less about lefty righty and more about experty morony that’s my issue. This stuff:

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It’s worth watching her lecture in full. One point she did make was on the run up to the referendum in an effort to be impartial/balanced they spent 5 hours looking for a pro brexit economist to go on newsnight and bat for brexit, in contrast in five minutes they could find 60 economists who thought (correctly) that it would be a disaster for the economy. That was never mentioned at the time. Maybe it should have been as it gave a false equivalence to put the one pro brexit economist they could find on an equal footing with 60 other economists.

 
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Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 25, 2022
  • #20,373
skybluetony176 said:
It’s worth watching her lecture in full. One point she did make was on the run up to the referendum in an effort to be impartial/balanced they spent 5 hours looking for a pro brexit economist to go on newsnight and bat for brexit, in contrast in five minutes they could find 60 economists who thought (correctly) that it would be a disaster for the economy. That was never mentioned at the time. Maybe it should have been as it gave a false equivalence to put the one pro brexit economist they could find on an equal footing with 60 other economists.

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Thanks for sharing it in full
She makes some excellent balanced points aimed at both sides in our country to make the same point really well
Balance does not mean equal time or status to an opinion.
 

rondog1973

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 25, 2022
  • #20,374
Deleted member 5849 said:
They do - I was involved in one of them! Although I haven't checked recent research to see if that still applies.

Where she's definitely right is in the imbalanced balance, where you have to get the counter-view on for a response, regardless of whether the counter-view is a ridiculous loonish minority. There's a difference between fairly showing two sides of a Brexit debate, say (and even then her economic example is fair as to when two sides can be disengenuous), and two sides of something where consensus is almost entirely in one side, and the opposing view is a distinct rump of nothing.
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On R2 they always wheel out some neo-liberal psychopath from the IEA to combat any left of centre view or employee representative in a head to head debate.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Aug 25, 2022
  • #20,375
See Rishi's batting his eyelids at the mentalists again.

Experts had too much power over Covid lockdowns, says Rishi Sunak

The ex-chancellor says ministers were banned from talking about negative effects of restrictions.
www.bbc.co.uk

Fact is most of the absolute shitshow was down to POLITICIANS ignoring experts, like Boris keeping everything open because he thought it was nothing and we'd get the economic boost.

Other things like not bringing in lockdowns were due to pressure from the politicians not wanting to do so.

The last thing a situation like that needs is for a load of people who want and need to play to the crowd to be making the decisions. People that place an inordinate amount of importance to the economy ahead of literally everything else, including lives.

If anything the politicians should be welcoming the experts being given more control, because they get to do the right thing while being able to maintain their public opinion because they can point elsewhere and say it was them.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Aug 26, 2022
  • #20,376
The more she opens her mouth the more batshit crazy she sounds. No wonder she’s the favourite. The traditional Tory party is dead

 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Aug 26, 2022
  • #20,377
skybluetony176 said:
The more she opens her mouth the more batshit crazy she sounds. No wonder she’s the favourite. The traditional Tory party is dead

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It’s unbelievable she actually said that about one of the country’s closest allies.
 
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 26, 2022
  • #20,378
Time to get on the streets !!
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 26, 2022
  • #20,379
Sick Boy said:
It’s unbelievable she actually said that about one of the country’s closest allies.
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Global Britain
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Aug 26, 2022
  • #20,380
Someone can’t be ‘too criminal’ to be PM but they can be ‘too boring’?

Emmanuel Macron responds after Liz Truss says 'jury is out' on whether he is 'friend or foe' - as PM calls French president a 'tres bon buddy'

The frontrunner to be the next prime minister said the "jury is out" on when asked if the French president is a "friend or foe" but that if she becomes leader, she will "judge him by deeds, not words".
news.sky.com
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Aug 26, 2022
  • #20,381
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Someone can’t be ‘too criminal’ to be PM but they can be ‘too boring’?

Emmanuel Macron responds after Liz Truss says 'jury is out' on whether he is 'friend or foe' - as PM calls French president a 'tres bon buddy'

The frontrunner to be the next prime minister said the "jury is out" on when asked if the French president is a "friend or foe" but that if she becomes leader, she will "judge him by deeds, not words".
news.sky.com
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She’s the best news Labour has had in ages.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 26, 2022
  • #20,382
Sick Boy said:
She’s the best news Labour has had in ages.
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If they were being very selfish they’d say the economic situation hitting so many people is as big an advantage. Though what odds on Truss basically acting as a placeholder for the clown to return to the stage some time before the next election?
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Aug 26, 2022
  • #20,383
Brighton Sky Blue said:
If they were being very selfish they’d say the economic situation hitting so many people is as big an advantage. Though what odds on Truss basically acting as a placeholder for the clown to return to the stage some time before the next election?
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I genuinely wouldn't be surprised - he would have the audacity to do it as well.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 26, 2022
  • #20,384
Sick Boy said:
I genuinely wouldn't be surprised - he would have the audacity to do it as well.
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Nobody from the pro Clown side would stand against him and he still has a lot of popularity with the membership. The only way I don’t see it happening is if Labour manage to unseat him in a by-election. Which I reckon they could if they really went for it
 

duffer

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 26, 2022
  • #20,385
Incredible, we've gone from a vaguely intelligent but entirely corrupt and sociopathic waster, to a thick as pigshit, completely unsympathetic menace, in a matter of weeks. Thank you, Conservative party.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Aug 26, 2022
  • #20,386
duffer said:
Incredible, we've gone from a vaguely intelligent but entirely corrupt and sociopathic waster, to a thick as pigshit, completely unsympathetic menace, in a matter of weeks. Thank you, Conservative party.
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Seems like the Italians are set to appoint their own version
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 26, 2022
  • #20,387
wingy said:
Time to get on the streets !!
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Posties on strike today. I voiced my support to ours yesterday.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 26, 2022
  • #20,388
We’ve had enough of experts Mk 2

Experts had too much power over Covid lockdowns, says Rishi Sunak

The ex-chancellor says ministers were banned from talking about negative effects of restrictions.
www.bbc.co.uk
 
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 26, 2022
  • #20,389
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Seems like the Italians are set to appoint their own version
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Who’s in the running this time?
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 26, 2022
  • #20,390
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Someone can’t be ‘too criminal’ to be PM but they can be ‘too boring’?

Emmanuel Macron responds after Liz Truss says 'jury is out' on whether he is 'friend or foe' - as PM calls French president a 'tres bon buddy'

The frontrunner to be the next prime minister said the "jury is out" on when asked if the French president is a "friend or foe" but that if she becomes leader, she will "judge him by deeds, not words".
news.sky.com
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All our problems as a country stem from when we decided polcitians were entertainers and not statesmen and I will die on this hill.

Could you imagine hiring an accountant cos he looked like a decent bloke to have a p
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Nobody from the pro Clown side would stand against him and he still has a lot of popularity with the membership. The only way I don’t see it happening is if Labour manage to unseat him in a by-election. Which I reckon they could if they really went for it
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What happened with the rumours of a recall petition of something happened with was it the standards committee? I wasn’t really paying attention but recall hearing something.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 26, 2022
  • #20,391
skybluetony176 said:
Who’s in the running this time?
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There’s a far right coalition being spearheaded by Trussolini
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 26, 2022
  • #20,392
Brighton Sky Blue said:
We’ve had enough of experts Mk 2

Experts had too much power over Covid lockdowns, says Rishi Sunak

The ex-chancellor says ministers were banned from talking about negative effects of restrictions.
www.bbc.co.uk
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They’re a bunch of cranks and conspiracy theorists, of course they’re sick of experts.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Aug 26, 2022
  • #20,393
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Seems like the Italians are set to appoint their own version
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Yeah, Meloni is vile - luckily the coalition will stop her from having free rein though and the coalition system means that nothing substantial actually changes - her party is only a couple of % ahead of the left-wing party but there's no chance of them getting in with the right coalition.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Aug 26, 2022
  • #20,394
Sick Boy said:
It’s unbelievable she actually said that about one of the country’s closest allies.
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Currently have our military on joint manoeuvres with theirs. Which has been a constant for decades and rightly so. It’s just more red meat for the nutters.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Aug 26, 2022
  • #20,395
shmmeee said:
All our problems as a country stem from when we decided polcitians were entertainers and not statesmen and I will die on this hill.

Could you imagine hiring an accountant cos he looked like a decent bloke to have a p


What happened with the rumours of a recall petition of something happened with was it the standards committee? I wasn’t really paying attention but recall hearing something.
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If he is found to have misled Parliament he can have a by-election triggered by x % of his constituents. Though I thought that was a rule anyway which was used to oust that Labour MP in Peterborough
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Aug 26, 2022
  • #20,396
shmmeee said:
All our problems as a country stem from when we decided polcitians were entertainers and not statesmen and I will die on this hill.

Could you imagine hiring an accountant cos he looked like a decent bloke to have a p


What happened with the rumours of a recall petition of something happened with was it the standards committee? I wasn’t really paying attention but recall hearing something.
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I'd join you on that hill, if it didn't have resonances of Northampton. It really us the root of all our problems, the idea that if you are popular you are right.

Of course it’s not just this country, although it feels like the damage is greater here . Maybe though that is because we see the impact more. Maybe if I lived in Brazil, I feel the effects of Bolsonaro were even greater.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Aug 26, 2022
  • #20,397
 
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clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 26, 2022
  • #20,398
skybluetony176 said:
Posties on strike today. I voiced my support to ours yesterday.
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'Where's my mail you bone idle wanker'
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 26, 2022
  • #20,399
shmmeee said:
They’re a bunch of cranks and conspiracy theorists, of course they’re sick of experts.
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While promising to invest heavily in the scientific sector a couple of days before, what an absolute tosser he is.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 26, 2022
  • #20,400
clint van damme said:
'Where's my mail you bone idle wanker'
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Word for word
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 26, 2022
  • #20,401
clint van damme said:
While promising to invest heavily in the scientific sector a couple of days before, what an absolute tosser he is.
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Let the bodies pile high
We did all we could
We bought the vaccines first
Professor Lockdown
There were no parties
Dido Harding needs the billions
 

JAM See

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 26, 2022
  • #20,402
clint van damme said:
'Where's my mail you bone idle wanker'
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Mail! Mail! It's fucking post!

You're watching too much American television.
 
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Philosoraptor

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 26, 2022
  • #20,403
There's always a real problem when members of political parties actually rub shoulders with the public.

I apologise if this has already been shared.

 
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David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 26, 2022
  • #20,404
Sick Boy said:
I genuinely wouldn't be surprised - he would have the audacity to do it as well.
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Tories would be mad to have him back as he is electoral cancer and that isn't changing any time soon.

But it is the tories so wouldn't put it past them, a lot of the new tories are dead in the water next election unless they can somehow repeat 2019
 
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 26, 2022
  • #20,405
Collectively all hiding in fridges today.
Can't even blame the heatwave.
 
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