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Yeah, I do find it baffling. You can even caveat it by saying you'll do it when economic conditions allow, if you want to look responsible - not like you have to say you'll do it on day one of government!
Yeah, I do find it baffling. You can even caveat it by saying you'll do it when economic conditions allow, if you want to look responsible - not like you have to say you'll do it on day one of government!They are good to be fair. Still not sure why they completely ignore the nationalisation route though… it has overwhelming public support…
So their announced plans to cover this winter - with a comprehensive nationalisation programme to follow the year after. Everyone’s a winner that way.nationalising the railways is far easier
also we aren't going to able to nationalise anything quickly so it will not help people this winter
how do we nationalise companies owned by other governments?So their announced plans to cover this winter - with a comprehensive nationalisation programme to follow the year after. Everyone’s a winner that way.
Didn’t we take back control to stop this kind of thing?how do we nationalise companies owned by other governments?
It'd be a Brexit bonus I could get behind.Didn’t we take back control to stop this kind of thing?
no, how do we nationalise a company owned by a foreign government who are one of our closest trading partners without basically fucked by them?Didn’t we take back control to stop this kind of thing?
The french government has a bigger stakes in British rail and energy than the British government. I don’t think they’re the only EU government with a stake in British railways.Didn’t we take back control to stop this kind of thing?
We’re being fucked by shareholders now anyway - once we’ve suffered the initial hit then it doesn’t happen anymore. Starmer is proposing to give £29 billion to companies anyway in his proposal.no, how do we nationalise a company owned by a foreign government who are one of our closest trading partners without basically fucked by them?
how do we nationalise a german without them giving us a kicking that fucks our economy?
this is the issue, we can pass laws and take control but the economic fallout will be massiveThe french government has a bigger stakes in British rail and energy than the British government. I don’t think they’re the only EU government with a stake in British railways.
I agree with this totally - however this is the kind of forward planning and insight that is absent in politics completely.Don’t need to nationalise energy. Even Corbyns plans were to promote community owned competition IIRC.
You need to shift the up front cost of solar and wind from homeowners to developers really. People will pay another £5k on their house and pay it off over 30 years (along with lower bills) way easier than they’ll shell out for panels that take 15 years to pay back.
Make some level of generation mandatory on all new builds/major renovation, make community owned energy generation and storage a requirement of all developments over say ten houses (or whatever number makes sense). Put finance in place for existing communities to do the same. Then build nationally owned off shore wind, storage and large scale renewables. Let the existing companies wither on the vine.
Along with a proper push on insulation and other sensible retrofitting, you could decimate the residential energy market.
Its so frustrating that we have basically stalled on this stuff for the last decade.
Worse than the economic fallout of what’s coming anyway?this is the issue, we can pass laws and take control but the economic fallout will be massive
the economic reality is taking what belongs to france, germany and china will fuck our economy far moreWe’re being fucked by shareholders now anyway - once we’ve suffered the initial hit then it doesn’t happen anymore. Starmer is proposing to give £29 billion to companies anyway in his proposal.
pretty much thisDon’t need to nationalise energy. Even Corbyns plans were to promote community owned competition IIRC.
You need to shift the up front cost of solar and wind from homeowners to developers really. People will pay another £5k on their house and pay it off over 30 years (along with lower bills) way easier than they’ll shell out for panels that take 15 years to pay back.
Make some level of generation mandatory on all new builds/major renovation, make community owned energy generation and storage a requirement of all developments over say ten houses (or whatever number makes sense). Put finance in place for existing communities to do the same. Then build nationally owned off shore wind, storage and large scale renewables. Let the existing companies wither on the vine.
Along with a proper push on insulation and other sensible retrofitting, you could decimate the residential energy market.
Its so frustrating that we have basically stalled on this stuff for the last decade.
If they banned Hermes Amazon and Yodel, it wouldn't be so bad...Rail and buses are a no brainier, water too. Really don’t understand the support for mail being so high though. We have a decent market in package delivery and other usage has dropped off a cliff post internet age. Is the private market a lot worse when you don’t live in a city or something?
yes, our biggest trading partners going into a trade war with us is the stuff of economic ruin on a macro levelWorse than the economic fallout of what’s coming anyway?
Well if you pay the market rate, it's down to the politicians to do some competent diplomacy. Our utilities were used as examples by some of their very owners to lobby the EU to restrict competition in other markets, it's all so ridiculous!this is the issue, we can pass laws and take control but the economic fallout will be massive
nationalising the railways is far easier
also we aren't going to able to nationalise anything quickly so it will not help people this winter
So compensating shareholders once is worse than repeatedly paying them dividends for years to come?yes, our biggest trading partners going into a trade war with us is the stuff of economic ruin on a macro level
it's not just compensating shareholders is it though, it's the reactions of france, china, and germany will be far worse for us in the long runSo compensating shareholders once is worse than repeatedly paying them dividends for years to come?
Well, Starmers policy is popular amongst voters across the board
Shame we’re being “led” by a zombie government led by a “man” who’s put himself on gardening leave until enough time has passed so he can say he was in the job longer than May. Another Tory balls up, the opportunity was there to boot him out and put a caretaker PM in charge but they chose not to.
Well, Starmers policy is popular amongst voters across the board
Shame we’re being “led” by a zombie government led by a “man” who’s put himself on gardening leave until enough time has passed so he can say he was in the job longer than May. Another Tory balls up, the opportunity was there to boot him out and put a caretaker PM in charge but they chose not to.
Yep. Surely the price they can charge should be linked to the wholesale price they pay. Basically put a maximum mark-up.I still don’t understand why they need to jack up the prices when they’re already raking it in?
They really don't give a fuck. I'm sure most of them would think "if they can't afford to heat their homes they should work harder and stop buying luxuries like chocolate and Netflix."I’m just saying they obviously do give a fuck. Do I think what they’re doing is enough, currently no, do I think they’ve picked the right mechanisms for assistance, also no. Having a leadership battle in the middle of this mess is also not great but let’s be honest, plenty of people wanted it and were calling for it.
I’m just saying that doesn’t mean they don’t give a fuck.
I’ve also said there needs to a debate about nationalisation, water is far easier than energy. I’ll drop a post about France/EDF when I’ve got time later. Our situation is not as simple/straightforward as that and that’s a shitshow
Invade France?how do we nationalise companies owned by other governments?
Always did. Country didn’t want him because he had a blocked noseEd Miliband coming across pretty well
Always did. Country didn’t want him because he had a blocked nose
Ed Miliband coming across pretty well
Always did. Country didn’t want him because he had a blocked nose
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