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Alan Dugdales Moustache

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  • Jun 29, 2022
  • #16,101
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Well, it is because your kids would be able to afford the house and you'd have more money which could spend on them in other ways if you so chose. Ultimately you and your kids end up with less overall.
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Perhaps I should have bought her a used car or vouchers for T K Max instead of money down on a house.
What you say makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
 
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chiefdave

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  • Jun 29, 2022
  • #16,102
The housing issue is just simple supply and demand isn't it? The population is increasing and more people live. Yet social housing has been sold off and not replaced and the rate of building is appallingly slow while developers sit on huge banks of land. Then you have to add in the huge explosion in university attendance which has seen whole areas become house after house that's occupied by students.

Plus things like this

Number of holiday-let homes in England up 40% in three years

Traditional tourist areas of England have seen local people hit by soaring property prices.
www.bbc.co.uk

Also the issue of what type of housing is available. Where I live, in Finham, there's a huge number of 2 and 3 bedroom properties occupied by 1 person. My Mum for example will consider moving to a flat but doesn't want to leave the area so its a non starter and she will spend the next few years the sole occupant of a large house. Was the same when I moved here, I don't really need a house, a flat would do me fine, but there's only a handful and of course they are mostly rentals.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Jun 29, 2022
  • #16,103
dutchman said:
I remember when young people living at home were expected to pay 'board & lodging' which was often almost as much as they could earn.

I'm not talking a million years ago either but 1980s.
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I left school in 89, got £27.50 a week YTS and paid my mum £15 of that for board and lodgings. Same for all my mates. Some may have been paying as little as £10 but they all paid something.
 
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jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Jun 29, 2022
  • #16,104
chiefdave said:
The housing issue is just simple supply and demand isn't it? The population is increasing and more people live. Yet social housing has been sold off and not replaced and the rate of building is appallingly slow while developers sit on huge banks of land. Then you have to add in the huge explosion in university attendance which has seen whole areas become house after house that's occupied by students.

Plus things like this

Number of holiday-let homes in England up 40% in three years

Traditional tourist areas of England have seen local people hit by soaring property prices.
www.bbc.co.uk

Also the issue of what type of housing is available. Where I live, in Finham, there's a huge number of 2 and 3 bedroom properties occupied by 1 person. My Mum for example will consider moving to a flat but doesn't want to leave the area so its a non starter and she will spend the next few years the sole occupant of a large house. Was the same when I moved here, I don't really need a house, a flat would do me fine, but there's only a handful and of course they are mostly rentals.
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The whole market is broken..... Also add in the fact that there something like 650,000 empty houses in England alone......mental
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Jun 29, 2022
  • #16,105
Grendel said:
So you actually now think people should have more money and not less?
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I always been for people that aren't rich having more money.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Jun 29, 2022
  • #16,106
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
Perhaps I should have bought her a used car or vouchers for T K Max instead of money down on a house.
What you say makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
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It's not that difficult.

If we didn't have such a shit system whereby housing is massively overpriced because far too much of it is being used as a means for financial gain rather than as places for people to live, then maybe they'd be able to afford the deposit without your help. In which case the money you're currently having to use for that you could give to them in other ways.
 
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Grendel

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  • Jun 29, 2022
  • #16,107
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
It's not that difficult.

If we didn't have such a shit system whereby housing is massively overpriced because far too much of it is being used as a means for financial gain rather than as places for people to live, then maybe they'd be able to afford the deposit without your help. In which case the money you're currently having to use for that you could give to them in other ways.
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It’s rubbish though in this example as property grows more then any other investment so the house in 30 years will be much higher in value and that’s a good thing if you own property
 

Grendel

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  • Jun 29, 2022
  • #16,108
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
I always been for people that aren't rich having more money.
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I wonder why
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Jun 29, 2022
  • #16,109
Grendel said:
I wonder why
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Because I think about the bigger picture, have compassion for others, realise that there are many different reasons for people to be in their situations and not everyone has the same goal of making loads of money yet constantly get dictated to in policy by those that are.
 
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Grendel

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  • Jun 29, 2022
  • #16,110
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Because I think about the bigger picture, have compassion for others, realise that there are many different reasons for people to be in their situations and not everyone has the same goal of making loads of money yet constantly get dictated to in policy by those that are.
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Or you are jealous
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Jun 29, 2022
  • #16,111
Grendel said:
It’s rubbish though in this example as property grows more then any other investment so the house in 30 years will be much higher in value and that’s a good thing if you own property
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Have you at any point thought of the reasons why it grows more? Or whether that's a good situation?

It's a good thing if you own property, but that's becoming a smaller and smaller section of society and increasingly benefitting a smaller number of people hugely disproportionately. Property is no longer about having a place to live, it's about having an investment. This isn't a good thing.
 
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Grendel

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  • Jun 29, 2022
  • #16,112
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Have you at any point thought of the reasons why it grows more? Or whether that's a good situation?

It's a good thing if you own property, but that's becoming a smaller and smaller section of society and increasingly benefitting a smaller number of people hugely disproportionately. Property is no longer about having a place to live, it's about having an investment. This isn't a good thing.
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It’s good for me
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Jun 29, 2022
  • #16,113
Grendel said:
It’s good for me
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But millions of people aren't you.
 
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  • Jun 29, 2022
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Grendel said:
Or you are jealous
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I don't know but I think it is unlikely. Not everyone is motivated by money and studies consistently show that over a fairly modest level extra weath doesn't make people any happier.
 
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David O'Day

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  • Jun 29, 2022
  • #16,115
skybluetony176 said:
I left school in 89, got £27.50 a week YTS and paid my mum £15 of that for board and lodgings. Same for all my mates. Some may have been paying as little as £10 but they all paid something.
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I am later but a gave my mum half half my 5p something part time wages in 1997.

Own her house now and no it was never a council house

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Alan Dugdales Moustache

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  • Jun 30, 2022
  • #16,116
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
But millions of people aren't you.
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So what should I have done instead ? The answer is absolutely nothing. You'd have done the same as me.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jun 30, 2022
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Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
So what should I have done instead ? The answer is absolutely nothing. You'd have done the same as me.
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That doesn't stop the policy from being flawed though.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Jun 30, 2022
  • #16,118
Mad Nad strikes again!

Redirect Notice

www.google.com

She's going to need her own thread soon.
 
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PVA

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  • Jun 30, 2022
  • #16,119
They're just all so fucking useless.

It's no wonder they have no policies when they struggle with the most basic day to day details.
 

chiefdave

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  • Jun 30, 2022
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clint van damme

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  • Jun 30, 2022
  • #16,121
chiefdave said:
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At least that explains Williamsons CBE
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Jun 30, 2022
  • #16,122
clint van damme said:
Mad Nad strikes again!

Redirect Notice

www.google.com

She's going to need her own thread soon.
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If you were being kind you would say her team don’t like her so deliberately screw her brief up to make her look stupid, then I remember that she’s Nadine Dorries and she doesn’t need help to look stupid.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jun 30, 2022
  • #16,123
chiefdave said:
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Must have been a very surreal image. Could very easily have been mistaken for a horse noshing off an albino honey monster.
 

David O'Day

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  • Jun 30, 2022
  • #16,124
The US supreme court is doing everything it can to seemingly prop up the Democrats in November. Today's ruling is another in a line of rulings that going against everything the vast majority of Americans support.

An example is Warnock is 10 points ahead in a senate race in Georgia that the Republicans should be looking to win back.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jun 30, 2022
  • #16,125
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
So what should I have done instead ? The answer is absolutely nothing. You'd have done the same as me.
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It’s not about you, people act in their own interest generally. It’s governments job to create policy that makes sure that doesn’t cause systemic harm or disadvantage others unfairly. Same as I don’t blame Amazon for not paying tax, I blame the people who made the rules so they could.
 
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Grendel

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  • Jun 30, 2022
  • #16,126
Deleted member 5849 said:
That doesn't stop the policy from being flawed though.
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Why is it flawed?
 

shmmeee

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  • Jun 30, 2022
  • #16,127
Grendel said:
Why is it flawed?
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Grendel

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  • Jun 30, 2022
  • #16,128
shmmeee said:
View attachment 25125
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That’s hardly answering the question to ADM and his situation, great photo shop though your father would be proud
 

Terry Gibson's perm

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  • Jun 30, 2022
  • #16,129
I paid board after a couple of years at work and my parents put it all in the bank and when I bought my first house they gave it me all back to spend on it, it was a nice surprise
 
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SBAndy

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  • Jun 30, 2022
  • #16,130
Terry Gibson's perm said:
I paid board after a couple of years at work and my parents put it all in the bank and when I bought my first house they gave it me all back to spend on it, it was a nice surprise
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That’s what I plan to do when the time comes.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Jun 30, 2022
  • #16,131
SBAndy said:
That’s what I plan to do when the time comes.
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What stay with Terry Gibson's parents' and get them to save you a deposit?
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jun 30, 2022
  • #16,132
Grendel said:
great photo shop though your father would be proud
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?
 

SBAndy

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  • Jun 30, 2022
  • #16,133
fernandopartridge said:
What stay with Terry Gibson's parents' and get them to save you a deposit?
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I mean, it’s not a bad idea!
 

stupot07

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  • Jun 30, 2022
  • #16,134
Dorris as ever with her fingers on the pulse


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fernandopartridge

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  • Jun 30, 2022
  • #16,135
Jesus wept


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