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Bugsy

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  • Jun 23, 2022
  • #15,856
skybluetony176 said:
Mick Lynch has dealt with Piers Morgan’s critique of his profile picture and changed it. To one of Piers Morgan partying with Ghislaine Maxwell.
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what a guy
 
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Bugsy

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  • Jun 23, 2022
  • #15,857

British Airways workers at Heathrow vote to strike during school summer holidays

The strike action follows a wave of discontent expressed by workers across the country in recent months. Many are demanding higher wages to deal with the cost of living crisis.
news.sky.com
 
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PVA

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  • Jun 23, 2022
  • #15,858
Looks like the Tories will lose both by-elections .

Wakefield obviously is expected but Tiverton would be a huge blow to them
 

Grendel

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  • Jun 23, 2022
  • #15,859
PVA said:
Looks like the Tories will lose both by-elections .

Wakefield obviously is expected but Tiverton would be a huge blow to them
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Why they’ll win in back at the next election - no one could name a single Lib Dem policy - it’s back to normal in a couple of years
 

Otis

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  • Jun 23, 2022
  • #15,860
Grendel said:
Why they’ll win in back at the next election - no one could name a single Lib Dem policy
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No tuition fees?
 
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PVA

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  • Jun 23, 2022
  • #15,861
Grendel said:
Why they’ll win in back at the next election - no one could name a single Lib Dem policy - it’s back to normal in a couple of years
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I knew you'd instantly respond to say it's irrelevant. You're nothing if not predictable.

It's not irrelevant, it would be a big deal. It would be a huge swing.
 

Grendel

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  • Jun 23, 2022
  • #15,862
PVA said:
I knew you'd instantly respond to say it's irrelevant. You're nothing if not predictable.

It's not irrelevant, it would be a big deal. It would be a huge swing.
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How it it relevant? Theyll lose it again - what’s the most notable huge swing?
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 23, 2022
  • #15,863
PVA said:
I knew you'd instantly respond to say it's irrelevant. You're nothing if not predictable.

It's not irrelevant, it would be a big deal. It would be a huge swing.
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It is pretty irrelevant, the Lib Dems are a good Tory protest vote but it's doubtful the electorate in a seat that's been nothing but Tory will vote Lib Dem again in 2024.
 
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Grendel

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  • Jun 23, 2022
  • #15,864
fernandopartridge said:
It is pretty irrelevant, the Lib Dems are a good Tory protest vote but it's doubtful the electorate in a seat that's been nothing but Tory will vote Lib Dem again in 2024.
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Also labour have just surrendered there and invited and encouraged their votes to go to Lib Dems - it’s pathetic from labour they may as well not have stood
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jun 23, 2022
  • #15,865
Otis said:
No tuition fees?
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Nick Clegg has a lot to answer for.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Jun 23, 2022
  • #15,866
Deleted member 5849 said:
Nick Clegg has a lot to answer for.
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And that's just in his time at Facebook
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jun 23, 2022
  • #15,867
clint van damme said:
And that's just in his time at Facebook
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In all seriousness though, there's been a combination of stupidity that's created the conditions for Johnson.

  • Iraq has nobbled Blair's legacy, so nobody listens to him on anything else;
  • Clegg backtracking on his manifesto and going into power with the Tories gave them a free pass the following election;
  • Add to that him not liking Brown so not even entertaining a Lib-Lab coalition at the time;
  • Both Blair and Lib Dems being discredited meant voices against Brexit were diminished, lacked credibility, and couldn't carry people along.

So here we are, when a fair few who voted Lib Dem can't again for the foreseeable, even if some of their policies align with their own beliefs, because the betrayal was enormous. That's given the Tories a free ride in some places, and allowed them to focus on other areas as a result, and take seats from Labour where they normally wouldn't.

Add to the fact that nobody within Labour will now listen to Blair on how to win an election, despite the fact he's the only one to manage it, and you have an opposition divided between the legacy MPs who were around at his time, the newer intake, and the party members - meaning they're doomed to be ineffective as long as they don't all come together in some way, whoever the leader is (be it Corbyn, Starmer, or Donald Duck).
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jun 23, 2022
  • #15,868
Starmer called a tosser on the campaign trail

 

Grendel

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  • Jun 23, 2022
  • #15,869
Deleted member 5849 said:
In all seriousness though, there's been a combination of stupidity that's created the conditions for Johnson.

  • Iraq has nobbled Blair's legacy, so nobody listens to him on anything else;
  • Clegg backtracking on his manifesto and going into power with the Tories gave them a free pass the following election;
  • Add to that him not liking Brown so not even entertaining a Lib-Lab coalition at the time;
  • Both Blair and Lib Dems being discredited meant voices against Brexit were diminished, lacked credibility, and couldn't carry people along.

So here we are, when a fair few who voted Lib Dem can't again for the foreseeable, even if some of their policies align with their own beliefs, because the betrayal was enormous. That's given the Tories a free ride in some places, and allowed them to focus on other areas as a result, and take seats from Labour where they normally wouldn't.

Add to the fact that nobody within Labour will now listen to Blair on how to win an election, despite the fact he's the only one to manage it, and you have an opposition divided between the legacy MPs who were around at his time, the newer intake, and the party members - meaning they're doomed to be ineffective as long as they don't all come together in some way, whoever the leader is (be it Corbyn, Starmer, or Donald Duck).
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I mean really Blair was a snake whose only interest was Blair

the Lib Dems would sleep with Stalin if they had a seat at the top table. They are a slimy bunch of opportunists with not one ounce of principal
 
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Northants Sky Blue

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  • Jun 23, 2022
  • #15,870
Grendel said:
the Lib Dems would sleep with Stalin if they had a seat at the top table. They are a slimy bunch of opportunists with not one ounce of principal
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Wait till you clock this current Cabinet
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jun 23, 2022
  • #15,871
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
So you happen to be a well paid in-demand professional. Well done. Although i'm fairly sure job hopping is not the same as asking for a pay rise......

As I stated above, I'm sure we can all find examples of good & bad in both sectors, but Im just saying that basic salary comparisons are very blunt tool that rarely take in to consideration the added value of pensions, holidays etc.

Sticking with Education then, A basic grade state teacher, for example, may not get paid a great amount, but did their 3 months holidays + 24% employer pension contribution get added into the stats?......probably not.

I believe state teachers are underpaid & deserve more btw.
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By any measure I’m significantly better off. My main point here is if you tell public sector workers they can’t strike and that they won’t be paid market rate, don’t then complain when they all fuck off. Unless you just want music, art and English in the curriculum

Similar problem in healthcare from what I understand with people going agency and costing the NHS loads more.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 23, 2022
  • #15,872
Grendel said:
I mean really Blair was a snake whose only interest was Blair

the Lib Dems would sleep with Stalin if they had a seat at the top table. They are a slimy bunch of opportunists with not one ounce of principal
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Grendel

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  • Jun 23, 2022
  • #15,873
shmmeee said:
By any measure I’m significantly better off. My main point here is if you tell public sector workers they can’t strike and that they won’t be paid market rate, don’t then complain when they all fuck off. Unless you just want music, art and English in the curriculum

Similar problem in healthcare from what I understand with people going agency and costing the NHS loads more.
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Irony meter off the scale here - you cant make it up
 

shmmeee

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  • Jun 23, 2022
  • #15,874
Grendel said:
Irony meter off the scale here - you cant make it up
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And yet you did
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Jun 23, 2022
  • #15,875
QT is really highlighting how low the bar is to be a government minister. Mick Lynch has spent a week making them look foolish in media appearance and the QT audience has him the nearest I’ve seen him to flustered.
 

chiefdave

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  • Jun 23, 2022
  • #15,876
skybluetony176 said:
QT is really highlighting how low the bar is to be a government minister. Mick Lynch has spent a week making them look foolish in media appearance and the QT audience has him the nearest I’ve seen him to flustered.
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how is the audience selected for QT? this lot aren't making Stratford look good that's for sure.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jun 23, 2022
  • #15,877
chiefdave said:
how is the audience selected for QT? this lot aren't making Stratford look good that's for sure.
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The production company that makes it is as Tory as anything. Look how empty it is and the age profile of the audience.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 24, 2022
  • #15,878
LDs and Labour secure near half the vote in winning the respective by-elections. One brought about by someone watching porn in the Commons, the other by a convicted sex offender.

Elsewhere, Big Dog hints at approving a new coal mine to flip off the climate

Johnson hints that new coal mine for Cumbria will get go-ahead

The government faces a huge decision over what to do in Cumbria, amid employment and climate concerns.
www.bbc.co.uk
 
Last edited: Jun 24, 2022
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David O'Day

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  • Jun 24, 2022
  • #15,879
that is bad for the tories, really bad
 

stupot07

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  • Jun 24, 2022
  • #15,880
chiefdave said:
how is the audience selected for QT? this lot aren't making Stratford look good that's for sure.
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Did you see last weeks at Newcastle.....they were even worse, came across as a bunch of racists.

I really felt sorry for that ticket officer in the audience. That one bloke in particular, proper gammon was getting very angry and quite keen to make people compulsory redundant.

Sent from my SM-G965F using Tapatalk
 
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Tommo1993

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  • Jun 24, 2022
  • #15,881
Is it death by a thousand self inflicted cuts?
 
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PVA

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  • Jun 24, 2022
  • #15,882
Dowden has resigned, I wonder if more will follow.

Also there are rumours that a FPN could be announced for Starmer today. Which would of course be incredibly convenient timing for the Tories and definitely not bent, no siree.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jun 24, 2022
  • #15,883
Tommo1993 said:
Is it death by a thousand self inflicted cuts?
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Well it's easy to say it every time, but this does push Johnson a bit closer to going, as he's currently a massive elctoral liability. The difference to past regimes is it's hard to see him actually resigning himself, and they can't force him out for another year!
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jun 24, 2022
  • #15,884
PVA said:
Dowden has resigned, I wonder if more will follow.

Also there are rumours that a FPN could be announced for Starmer today. Which would of course be incredibly convenient timing for the Tories and definitely not bent, no siree.
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Don't think it would be convenient. if so he'd quit, and the focus would be back on Johnson for not doing so.
 
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Ian1779

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  • Jun 24, 2022
  • #15,885
David O'Day said:
that is bad for the tories, really bad
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I don’t know…. They’ve still got these visionaries voting for them…

 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jun 24, 2022
  • #15,886
Dowden resigned
Raab was going to be interviewed but not now
Johnson in Rwanda at a commonwealth conference. Is Rwanda in the commonwealth

Bit of a mess

And the Qt audience were a strange bunch
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jun 24, 2022
  • #15,887
David O'Day said:
that is bad for the tories, really bad
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For everyone bar johnson
 
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PVA

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  • Jun 24, 2022
  • #15,888
Deleted member 5849 said:
Don't think it would be convenient. if so he'd quit, and the focus would be back on Johnson for not doing so.
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But we know that Johnson already has no credibility. He also has no morals. He wouldn't care how Starmer resigning would make him look, he'd just carry on as normal.
 
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PVA

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  • Jun 24, 2022
  • #15,889
Seemingly no one is willing to come out and bat for Johnson this morning.

Put out the Dorries signal!
 
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PVA

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  • Jun 24, 2022
  • #15,890
Deleted member 5849 said:
Well it's easy to say it every time, but this does push Johnson a bit closer to going, as he's currently a massive elctoral liability. The difference to past regimes is it's hard to see him actually resigning himself, and they can't force him out for another year!
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If they want another vote they can just change the rules.

Which I think seems quite likely at this stage
 
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