clint van damme
Well-Known Member
Labour being consigned the history books isn't something I'll argue about,I think.youre right.
If Ed Davey makes a second referendum policy ( not something I'd vote for), I think Labour are absolutely fucked.
Because Labour does not want people to join the middle classes as oddly it’s clue is in the title
It’s consigned to the history books
When I say you or your I'm talking about Labour not youJesus christ, just asking clint's question again
And 'my' MPs and membership? I'm not a Labour member. I've voted Labour once in my lifetime.
I don't know which is why I'm askingSo why do you think it is then ? If my answer isn't enough ...what do you think is the reason
I don't know which is why I'm asking
I could have sold a graphics card the other day .
But the person I was selling it too left me a sarcastic comment as a parting shot to do with price before collecting it .
It was in my interest to sell that card to him ...but I didn't because I thought he was a c**t .
I could have sold a graphics card the other day .
But the person I was selling it too left me a sarcastic comment as a parting shot to do with price before collecting it .
It was in my interest to sell that card to him ...but I didn't because I thought he was a c**t .
I said nothing of the sort - it is true that the majority of the written press openly favours the Conservative party.No not at all - oh sorry Ian it’s intelligent people like you who can sift the bias and brain dead working class zombies who are thicker and read the sun who are influenced
Vote winning argument
If people don't like Labour , they won't vote for Labour.Sorry mate, I don't understand that. I have had a few!
So you cut your nose off to spite your face.
Which I think is actually exactly what a lot of Tory voters do.
Good answer.
Which is a criticism that working people who vote tory level at Labour voters, and is a subtle way of calling them thick, I think.In the same way alot of people vote Labour because their dad and grandad did ..it's all relative
everyone keeps avoiding my question, it's like the brexit thread, I'll leave it there.
Which is a criticism that working people who vote tory level at Labour voters, and is a subtle way of calling them thick, I think.
Ironically even some of them have shifted too , people genuinely really dislike Labour
And that's fine.
... But then they go and vote for the party that cuts the police and the NHS, imposes austerity, carries out brazen corruption.
That's what's hard to understand and is why clint repeatedly asked what's so appealing about the Tories. Why not vote Lib Dems or Greens, anyone.
Same problem I'm afraid ..nobody likes them
Have the Lib dems ever really recovered from nick clegg shafting his supporters ?
If that's the case about brexit then the next election should be alot closer ...I'd put a fair chunk on the conservatives winning by landslide againBut that's still not answering the question!
Why the tories?
You decide you don't like Labour and want to vote someone else. Fine. Why do you choose this corrupt bunch of corrupt c**ts that have only their interests at heart and have spent the last 10 years wrecking the country?
It makes no sense.
Brexit was clearly a huge driver in the previous election.
If that's the case about brexit then the next election should be alot closer ...I'd put a fair chunk on the conservatives winning by landslide again
If you see life as being
Winners V Losers
Strivers V Shirkers
Patriots V Traitors
Then you are an open goal for the Tories who use every trick in the book to paint themselves as Patriotic winning strivers and paint Labour as the home of wokes, shirkers, traitors and losers.
Every tory voter I know is a sucker for this as they lack empathy IMO.
There are some decent Conservatives. Rory Stewart absolutley fucking nailed the stuff on the pandemic for example. Him like the other decent ones have been cast aside though.The kindest most brilliant ,generous and empathic person I know Is a conservative voter that lives in Solihull...work that one out then
Honestly, an amazing person
Cognitive dissonanceThe kindest most brilliant ,generous and empathic person I know Is a conservative voter that lives in Solihull...work that one out then
Honestly, an amazing person
Cognitive dissonance
Took me in after my mum died and dad became an alcoholic at 13 , offered me work at 13 at his greengrocers until 17 when I joined the army ..
Paid off all my debt twice over , helped me buy a house , treats my children like they are his own grandchildren and has left his whole estate worth half a million to my kids .
Would drive a million miles if you needed him
Tory wanker
It's not rocket science. The reasons are quite straightforward.
1. An aspirational working-class wanting to improve the lives of their families through their own means rather than rely on welfarism and paternalism, and a perception that the Tories always manage the economy better (counter-argument - the working class are stupid).
2. Brexit, and the failure of Corbyn to offer a credible position on Brexit (counter-argument - the working class are racist).
3. The almost farcical lack of credibility around Labour's spending programme, and a discontent with the metropolitan bourgeois and identity politics (counter-argument - the working class are both stupid and racist).
The rise of the SNP haven't helped.OK here's a question .
Why do Labour keep losing if the tories are so bad , and why are the working class voting for them in their droves if Labour offer them more
It's not rocket science. The reasons are quite straightforward.
1. An aspirational working-class wanting to improve the lives of their families through their own means rather than rely on welfarism and paternalism, and a perception that the Tories always manage the economy better (counter-argument - the working class are stupid).
2. Brexit, and the failure of Corbyn to offer a credible position on Brexit (counter-argument - the working class are racist).
3. The almost farcical lack of credibility around Labour's spending programme, and a discontent with the metropolitan bourgeois and identity politics (counter-argument - the working class are both stupid and racist).
1 and 3 don't stand up to scrutiny.
I agree with you on 2.
They do especially 1 - class based politics “we are the party of the working classes” is not a modern aspirational message. Class system politics is dying.
Lol David Schneider a reason again why people wouldn’t vote Labour
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