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Grendel

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  • Mar 29, 2022
  • #11,621
This is old news but why did Starmer not justify the actions? Did he hope it would not come out?

Keir Starmer accused of hypocrisy for slamming Boris Johnson peerage

It has been suggested Labour's leader had privately congratulated Evgeny Lebedev when he was elevated to the House of Lords, sources told the Daily Mail.
www.dailymail.co.uk
 
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PVA

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  • Mar 29, 2022
  • #11,622
Grendel said:
This is old news but why did Starmer not justify the actions? Did he hope it would not come out?

Keir Starmer accused of hypocrisy for slamming Boris Johnson peerage

It has been suggested Labour's leader had privately congratulated Evgeny Lebedev when he was elevated to the House of Lords, sources told the Daily Mail.
www.dailymail.co.uk
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This is desperate, desperate stuff.
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 29, 2022
  • #11,623
PVA said:
This is desperate, desperate stuff.
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with respect the public will decide
 
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PVA

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  • Mar 29, 2022
  • #11,624
You're right, the man to focus on is the guy that sent a solitary text having not been briefed by MI5/6, and not the man that nominated Lebedev, overruled security advice, partied with him etc etc
 
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Grendel

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  • Mar 29, 2022
  • #11,625
I’m sure Mr Starmer will claim his office sent a standard text two everyone

2 questions arise

- why would he allow it to be sent to Mr Lebvedev if he had concerns

- why did he not admit this when questioned?
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 29, 2022
  • #11,626
PVA said:
You're right, the man to focus on is the guy that sent a solitary text having not been briefed by MI5/6, and not the man that nominated Lebedev, overruled security advice, partied with him etc etc
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again the public will decide - as the independent committee decided to allow the appointment - and not the dirty misogynist bully Labour wanted appointed
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Mar 29, 2022
  • #11,627
PVA said:
You're right, the man to focus on is the guy that sent a solitary text having not been briefed by MI5/6, and not the man that nominated Lebedev, overruled security advice, partied with him etc etc
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Starmer is a member of the privy council, he doesn't need a briefing from MI5/MI6
 
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PVA

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  • Mar 29, 2022
  • #11,628
fernandopartridge said:
Starmer is a member of the privy council, he doesn't need a briefing from MI5/MI6
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Doesn't mean he was given that information.

But again, this is a non story.

If he had all the available evidence and still sent that text, then it was a pretty fucking stupid thing to do but it still pails massively into insignificance compared with Johnson's misdemeanours.

But as per usual it's working. Tories deflect and people lap it up.
 
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Ian1779

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  • Mar 29, 2022
  • #11,629
PVA said:
You're right, the man to focus on is the guy that sent a solitary text having not been briefed by MI5/6, and not the man that nominated Lebedev, overruled security advice, partied with him etc etc
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I think the point is being missed by you. He’s texting a man to congratulate him for peerage which he obtained through giving money to the ruling party. The MI5/6 stuff is irrelevant.
The fact that doesn’t ring alarm bells in the LOTO enough to at the very least not send that text is disturbing.
 

Ian1779

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  • Mar 29, 2022
  • #11,630
fernandopartridge said:
What are Labour trying to present themselves as at the next election?
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In Starmer’s case it will be whatever Murdoch decrees.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Mar 29, 2022
  • #11,631
Starting to think that there might a big Lebedev story on the horizon. Big enough to take Boris down so there’s a conservative attempt being made to take Starmer with him. Will probably work too, look at the levels of shits given disproportionately to Starmer having a beer while not breaking lockdown rules compared to shits given about Boris partying like it’s 1999 during lockdown breaking his own rules. The press are clearly setting a stall out.
 
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Grendel

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  • Mar 29, 2022
  • #11,632
Ian1779 said:
I think the point is being missed by you. He’s texting a man to congratulate him for peerage which he obtained through giving money to the ruling party. The MI5/6 stuff is irrelevant.
The fact that doesn’t ring alarm bells in the LOTO enough to at the very least not send that text is disturbing.
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it’s a non story
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 29, 2022
  • #11,633
PVA said:
But as per usual it's working. Tories deflect and people lap it up.
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I don’t think Ian and FP are Tories
 

Ian1779

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  • Mar 29, 2022
  • #11,634
Grendel said:
it’s a non story
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Whether it is or not, just demonstrates Starmer has zero political acumen.
 
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PVA

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  • Mar 29, 2022
  • #11,635
Grendel said:
I don’t think Ian and FP are Tories
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No but they are fiercely anti Starmer (which is fine, not a criticism).
 
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PVA

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  • Mar 29, 2022
  • #11,636
Grendel said:
it’s a non story
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Like party gate?
 

Ian1779

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  • Mar 29, 2022
  • #11,637
PVA said:
No but they are fiercely anti Starmer (which is fine, not a criticism).
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It’s not about being anti-Starmer. For me it’s the idea that the leader of the Labour Party is sending congratulation texts to someone who bought a peerage. He is in the wrong party if he deems that normal for his position.
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 29, 2022
  • #11,638
PVA said:
Like party gate?
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well partly gate is a non story and Mr Starmer has that alone in two years at election time go for it
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 29, 2022
  • #11,639
Ian1779 said:
It’s not about being anti-Starmer. For me it’s the idea that the leader of the Labour Party is sending congratulation texts to someone who bought a peerage. He is in the wrong party if he deems that normal for his position.
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Statmers interview on LBC sums him up. A man with no convictions and trying to
Be a man for all seasons but is a man with no opinions

It’s a shocker - why people ask him do
Women have a penis I don’t know but why he seems to be unsure I’m rather puzzled too

His comments on the royal tour are classic Starmer - bit critical, thinks his goes a bit too far and hasty backtrack

Does he have an opinion on anything? Well other than women don’t have a penis - but then again that might lose me a vote do they could have. Oh he’s not sure.
 
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PVA

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  • Mar 29, 2022
  • #11,640
It's astonishing that you can pick such faults in Starmer but can't find anything to criticise Johnson about.

Actually it's not astonishing at all is it

 
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Grendel

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  • Mar 29, 2022
  • #11,641
PVA said:
No but they are fiercely anti Starmer (which is fine, not a criticism).
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Sp you are a fan of Mr Starmer. Sum up in 3 points what he stands for?
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 29, 2022
  • #11,642
PVA said:
It's astonishing that you can pick such faults in Starmer but can't find anything to criticise Johnson about.

Actually it's not astonishing at all is it

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So what attracts you to Mr Starmer - what are his qualities

johnson by the way is about as Tory as Starmer is traditional Labour. If Johnson really had his way he’d be a high spending liberal spunking money everywhere with zero regard for long term economic impact
 

Ian1779

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  • Mar 29, 2022
  • #11,643
Grendel said:
Sp you are a fan of Mr Starmer. Sum up in 3 points what he stands for?
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Which Starmer iteration are you talking about specifically?
 
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PVA

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  • Mar 29, 2022
  • #11,644
Grendel said:
Sp you are a fan of Mr Starmer. Sum up in 3 points what he stands for?
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He's a million times better than Johnson or Corbyn. The first leader of either party in a long time who actually looks capable of not embarrassing themselves and the country on a national and international stage.
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 29, 2022
  • #11,645
PVA said:
He's a million times better than Johnson or Corbyn. The first leader of either party in a long time who actually looks capable of not embarrassing themselves and the country on a national and international stage.
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that’s empty rhetoric - what does Mr Starmer stand for?

What are his key policy ideals that attract you to him?
 
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PVA

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  • Mar 29, 2022
  • #11,646
Grendel said:
that’s empty rhetoric - what does Mr Starmer stand for?

What are his key policy ideals that attract you to him?
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You'd know all about empty rhetoric being such a fan of 'Mr Johnson'.

This is an utterly pointless discussion
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 29, 2022
  • #11,647
PVA said:
You'd know all about empty rhetoric being such a fan of 'Mr Johnson'.

This is an utterly pointless discussion
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lol you can’t name one policy or one principal that makes him a potential Prime minister - he is of course the clown who lost the northern seats in the first place with his half arsed Brexit policy and he’s bound to drop some gaffe about not ruling out an EU return at election time
 
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Ian1779

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  • Mar 29, 2022
  • #11,648
PVA said:
He's a million times better than Johnson or Corbyn. The first leader of either party in a long time who actually looks capable of not embarrassing themselves and the country on a national and international stage.
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So as someone that in theory should be a nailed on vote for him, what is he going to do about the cost of living crisis? Or the fact my kids will never get on the housing ladder? Or the impending climate crisis?
I don’t give a fuck how many flags he stands near, or how sharp his suit looks - he’s an empty sack of uninspiring shite with no vision for this country in the future.
 
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Grendel

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  • Mar 29, 2022
  • #11,649
Ian1779 said:
So as someone that in theory should be a nailed on vote for him, what is he going to do about the cost of living crisis? Or the fact my kids will never get on the housing ladder? Or the impending climate crisis?
I don’t give a fuck how many flags he stands near, or how sharp his suit looks - he’s an empty sack of uninspiring shite with no vision for this country in the future.
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Let’s be honest if Starmer was a conviction politician even like kinnock with galloping inflation, massive cost of living issues and issues around the prime ministers integrity he should be miles ahead in the polls

The gap is closing. He’s labours IdS an utter joke of a politician
 
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PVA

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  • Mar 29, 2022
  • #11,650
Grendel said:
lol you can’t name one policy or one principal that makes him a potential Prime minister - he is of course the clown who lost the northern seats in the first place with his half arsed Brexit policy and he’s bound to drop some gaffe about not ruling out an EU return at election time
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I don't know how you can comment on anything political with a straight face these days given your heroes are funded by a murdering despot who is intent on killing innocent children. But hey ho yeah Starmer is the real baddie.
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 29, 2022
  • #11,651
PVA said:
I don't know how you can comment on anything political with a straight face these days given your heroes are funded by a murdering despot who is intent on killing innocent children. But yeah Starmer is the real baddie.
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can you answer the question please?

what policies attract yoy to mr Starmer and what’s his USP?

we’ve already established one of those murdering despots children seems a bit cosy with Mr Starmer

Also it’s interesting that you believe people who vote Tory are supporting the killing of Ukrainians. Does that include those in the north who chucked labour into the wilderness?

guess you wouldn’t want such vile people voting labour again would you? I mean they even wanted brexit.
 
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PVA

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  • Mar 29, 2022
  • #11,652
God you're tedious.
 
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Grendel

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  • Mar 29, 2022
  • #11,653
PVA said:
God you're tedious.
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well I think the thing that’s coming across is there isn’t a single positive quality or policy Starmer has or indeed a core principal

you can spit your childlike hatred and stupid comments all you like - the left are good at that and equally good and coming second in a two horse race
 
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PVA

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  • Mar 29, 2022
  • #11,654
Anyway.

State of him.

Who goes running in a dress shirt? Guarantee he didn't shower and carried on working in the same shirt. We've all worked with someone like that.

 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 29, 2022
  • #11,655
PVA said:
Anyway.

State of him.

Who goes running in a dress shirt? Guarantee he didn't shower and carried on working in the same shirt. We've all worked with someone like that.

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oh dear
 
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