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Ian1779

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  • Dec 1, 2021
  • #8,611
Grendel said:
I don’t need to deflect as no one in planet real world cares Ian - out of interest has Sir Keir told Angela about the reshuffle yet?
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Of course he hasn’t - he’s a muppet. But that was not the point as you well know.
You are blasé on corruption because it suits you to be blasé about it…. Unless of course it’s the EU doing it and then you’re apoplectic.
 

Skybluefaz

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  • Dec 2, 2021
  • #8,612

Also a climate change denier. Interesting chap.
 

Ian1779

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  • Dec 2, 2021
  • #8,613
Skybluefaz said:

Also a climate change denier. Interesting chap.
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We moan a lot about MP’s but there are some absolute fuckwits running things at local, parish and county level.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Dec 2, 2021
  • #8,614
Ian1779 said:
We moan a lot about MP’s but there are some absolute fuckwits running things at local, parish and county level.
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WCC have actually had a very good approach to this whole pandemic, it must be said. Let's hope that continues, and this chap doesn't hold much in the way of influence!
 

Ian1779

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  • Dec 2, 2021
  • #8,615
Deleted member 5849 said:
WCC have actually had a very good approach to this whole pandemic, it must be said. Let's hope that continues, and this chap doesn't hold much in the way of influence!
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It’s good to hear he doesn’t have much influence. My local parish council are very good, but the quality disappears at County level.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Dec 2, 2021
  • #8,616
Ian1779 said:
It’s good to hear he doesn’t have much influence. My local parish council are very good, but the quality disappears at County level.
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The Chief Exec has been especially good which probably helps, given she's the one running it in actuality!
 

Skybluefaz

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  • Dec 2, 2021
  • #8,617
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Dec 2, 2021
  • #8,618
Skybluefaz said:
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He’s such a smug wanker …even worse on video

I need to go back and listen to that call though as I heard JoB briefly after and he wasn’t too harsh on the landlord guy

If hancock has been up to no good I think he should be sent down (obviously won’t happen). He should’ve got in far more trouble for using personal emails as well. If he had to because, for example, there were problems with gov emails, he should’ve saved every personal one. Id imagine in any other industry that would be the requirement and to not do would be a probable sacking offence

Looks horrific that he didn’t whether he was up to no good or not
 

Skybluefaz

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  • Dec 2, 2021
  • #8,619
CCFCSteve said:
He’s such a smug wanker …even worse on video

I need to go back and listen to that call though as I heard JoB briefly after and he wasn’t too harsh on the landlord guy

If hancock has been up to no good I think he should be sent down (obviously won’t happen). He should’ve got in far more trouble for using personal emails as well. If he had to because, for example, there were problems with gov emails, he should’ve saved every personal one. Id imagine in any other industry that would be the requirement and to not do would be a probable sacking offence

Looks horrific that he didn’t whether he was up to no good or not
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The one question no one could answer was 'Why was the company name redacted?' (the publican's company). Privacy and general gdpr was mentioned but then other companies were on the documents. It seems that they made an effort to hide the fact this was Hancock's mate. Got to prove that though.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Dec 2, 2021
  • #8,620
Skybluefaz said:
The one question no one could answer was 'Why was the company name redacted?' (the publican's company). Privacy and general gdpr was mentioned but then other companies were on the documents. It seems that they made an effort to hide the fact this was Hancock's mate. Got to prove that though.
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It’s all very strange at best...dodgy at worst. Wouldn’t trust Hancock as far as I could throw him.
 

Skybluefaz

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  • Dec 3, 2021
  • #8,621

Seems this is one that is going to stick. I think rightly so as I remember how difficult it was not seeing friends and family last year. Then it turns out that they had a knees up.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Dec 3, 2021
  • #8,622
Skybluefaz said:

Seems this is one that is going to stick. I think rightly so as I remember how difficult it was not seeing friends and family last year. Then it turns out that they had a knees up.
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Of course it matters Faz. But the question should’ve been will it change your voting intentions ? Also will it matter by the next election ?

For me it will be irrelevant, compared to the stuff on certain nhs pandemic contracts (to be determined), how the country is fairing economically post Brexit and how it’s coping with Covid.

General ‘competence’ will cut through far more by ‘23/24
 

Skybluefaz

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  • Dec 3, 2021
  • #8,623
CCFCSteve said:
Of course it matters Faz. But the question should’ve been will it change your voting intentions ? Also will it matter by the next election ?

For me it will be irrelevant, compared to the stuff on certain nhs pandemic contracts (to be determined), how the country is fairing economically post Brexit and how it’s coping with Covid.

General ‘competence’ will cut through far more by ‘23/24
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I think a fair number of casual voters will be more pissed off about this kind of stuff than they are on the economy and contracts.

It's feeding into the 'no rules for them rules for the rest of us' narrative that seems to be hurting the Conservatives in polling at the moment.

I'm not sure some people are bothered about how the post Brexit stuff is going. They just wanted to leave. Offering up an alternative reason to not vote for the Conservatives on these moralistic grounds might be a much easier sell than essentially asking people to admit they were wrong re Brexit.

As you say though, a GE is a way off yet. Johnson being ousted can't be that far off now though.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Dec 3, 2021
  • #8,624
Skybluefaz said:
I think a fair number of casual voters will be more pissed off about this kind of stuff than they are on the economy and contracts.

It's feeding into the 'no rules for them rules for the rest of us' narrative that seems to be hurting the Conservatives in polling at the moment.

I'm not sure some people are bothered about how the post Brexit stuff is going. They just wanted to leave. Offering up an alternative reason to not vote for the Conservatives on these moralistic grounds might be a much easier sell than essentially asking people to admit they were wrong re Brexit.

As you say though, a GE is a way off yet. Johnson being ousted can't be that far off now though.
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I do agree it’s another issue to lump on the ‘one rule for one’ pile. With regard to brexit, I was really talking about how the economy is doing generally (it’s just that it’s now post Brexit). If we’re in the shit and it’s impacting peoples lives: jobs, inflation etc, and is worse than other comparable economies, that’s what will swing voters
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Dec 3, 2021
  • #8,625
CCFCSteve said:
I was really talking about how the economy is doing generally (it’s just that it’s now post Brexit). If we’re in the shit, that’s what will swing voters
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Not sure it will for a certain amount tbh. Covid and the French will be at fault.
 

Skybluefaz

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  • Dec 3, 2021
  • #8,626
Deleted member 5849 said:
Not sure it will for a certain amount tbh. Covid and the French will be at fault.
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And sneering hindsight from the Liberal elites.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Dec 3, 2021
  • #8,627
Deleted member 5849 said:
Not sure it will for a certain amount tbh. Covid and the French will be at fault.
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That’s why I mentioned comparably. Economy is usually top of people’s list when voting. Covid might rival it this coming election although hoping it will be long gone in terms of disruption
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Dec 3, 2021
  • #8,628
CCFCSteve said:
That’s why I mentioned comparably. Economy is usually top of people’s list when voting. Covid might rival it this coming election although hoping it will be long gone in terms of disruption
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It might be gone, but it'll be an easy blame if the economy's struggling.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Dec 3, 2021
  • #8,629
Deleted member 5849 said:
It might be gone, but it'll be an easy blame if the economy's struggling.
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It will be a genuine point relating to economy but that’s why I mention comparing against comparable countries. When I say disruption I’m talking about health, restrictions etc
 
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PVA

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  • Dec 4, 2021
  • #8,630
What an idiot

There's always a tweet.






 
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Ian1779

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  • Dec 4, 2021
  • #8,631
PVA said:
What an idiot

There's always a tweet.






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Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity….
 

skybluetony176

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  • Dec 5, 2021
  • #8,632
We should do a sweepstake on who gets caught out first. My money is on Gove.

Parliament drug use claims to be raised with police this week

Commons Speaker Sir Lindsay Hoyle says allegations of cocaine taking are "deeply concerning".
www.bbc.co.uk
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Dec 6, 2021
  • #8,633
skybluetony176 said:
We should do a sweepstake on who gets caught out first. My money is on Gove.

Parliament drug use claims to be raised with police this week

Commons Speaker Sir Lindsay Hoyle says allegations of cocaine taking are "deeply concerning".
www.bbc.co.uk
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Not great timing considering they’re talking about taking away middle class drug users’ passports.
 

shmmeee

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  • Dec 6, 2021
  • #8,634
Sick Boy said:
Not great timing considering they’re talking about taking away middle class drug users’ passports.
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How will they decide if you’re middle class?
 
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PVA

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  • Dec 6, 2021
  • #8,635
Your Secretary of State for Justice, ladies and gentlemen.


 

Sick Boy

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  • Dec 6, 2021
  • #8,636
shmmeee said:
How will they decide if you’re middle class?
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No idea - it sounds insane.

Middle-class drug users could lose UK passports under Boris Johnson’s plans

Campaigners say government going backwards by targeting ‘lifestyle’ users of class A drugs with tough criminal sanctions
www.theguardian.com
 

Skybluefaz

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  • Dec 6, 2021
  • #8,637
PVA said:
Your Secretary of State for Justice, ladies and gentlemen.


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But Diane Abbott etc
 

jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Dec 6, 2021
  • #8,638
shmmeee said:
How will they decide if you’re middle class?
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Maybe they'll have a destination cross reference? Val d'isere, Tuscany, Venice....you're fucking nicked.....
 

shmmeee

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  • Dec 6, 2021
  • #8,639
Sick Boy said:
No idea - it sounds insane.

Middle-class drug users could lose UK passports under Boris Johnson’s plans

Campaigners say government going backwards by targeting ‘lifestyle’ users of class A drugs with tough criminal sanctions
www.theguardian.com
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Sounds like someone who’s only interaction with the drug trade is Daily Mail headlines.
 
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Frostie

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  • Dec 6, 2021
  • #8,640
PVA said:
Your Secretary of State for Justice, ladies and gentlemen.


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Only going to investigate future crimes now then?

 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Dec 6, 2021
  • #8,641
shmmeee said:
Sounds like someone who’s only interaction with the drug trade is Daily Mail headlines.
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Haha almost like if you’re working class you’re likely to be an addict and the upper classes can do what they like.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Dec 6, 2021
  • #8,642
If Armando Ianucci put this stuff in one of his shows it'd be laughed at for being implausible.

Thing is we know there'll be at least one more utterly absurd idea or comment before Christmas.
 

Frostie

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  • Dec 6, 2021
  • #8,643
skybluetony176 said:
We should do a sweepstake on who gets caught out first. My money is on Gove.

Parliament drug use claims to be raised with police this week

Commons Speaker Sir Lindsay Hoyle says allegations of cocaine taking are "deeply concerning".
www.bbc.co.uk
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PVA

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  • Dec 6, 2021
  • #8,644
This is perfectly normal. We definitely don't live in a banana republic. No siree.


 
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stupot07

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  • Dec 6, 2021
  • #8,645
Sick Boy said:
No idea - it sounds insane.

Middle-class drug users could lose UK passports under Boris Johnson’s plans

Campaigners say government going backwards by targeting ‘lifestyle’ users of class A drugs with tough criminal sanctions
www.theguardian.com
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I heard an expert on the radio this morning, who basically said middle class cocaine is a different distribution network and only a small minority goes through county lines (<10%) and the vast majority (~90%+) thay goes through county lines is heroine and crack, which have different user base, and one not likely to have passports or driving licenses.

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